Life Through the Windshield

The life of a trucker


Elon, North Carolina, USA
February 04
Truck Driver/Lease Operator
Where do you start with something like this. I'm your typical white male. I'm married, for the third time. I have 9 kids and 4 grandchildren. Currently I'm an OTR truck driver. I've been doing it for the past year and a half, but I've had several careers. This one is just the latest. In the past I've tried selling cars. That didn't last long. I should say it didn't take me very long to figure out that I'm to honest to sell cars. I've spent lots of years in the restaurant business. Most of that was in the pizza business either as a manager for other or for myself. I also spent 8 years in the Air Force working in ER's and flying Aeromedical Evacuation. I have to say, the biggest mistake I've ever made was getting out. Anything else you want to know, just ask. I'll tell you.


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MAY 7, 2009 10:14AM

I have your daughter

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There have been several posts about torture lately.  Most of them are written by well meaning people but I think they think of this in the "not in my back yard"  style that they live their lives. 

So play along with me and think like a parent for a minute.  You have seen the parent on TV that I think most of us are.  They are the ones saying "just let my baby go".   So get out zone and look into your heart and tell me what you would really do.

I have your daughter. I've held her for the past couple days and I've done all the nasty things your mind can create. The police got lucky and they have me, but I'm not talking. Why should I. When she dies in about 3 days nobody will find her body. I'll walk and there is nothing you can do about it. So what do you do. Sit at home and cry knowing the painful death your daughter is getting ready to go through, letting your mind run wild with what has already happened, or drip water up my nose?

 Remember today you have the power, which we never do, but for now you have it.  I also hope that you never have a reason to consider this point for real.

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People who defend the use of torture generally do so on the basis of the “ticking time bomb” scenario. The argument goes that torture or, its euphemism, “enhanced interrogation methods,” must be done because many lives will be saved.

The problem here is that a ticking time bomb scenario does not exist outside the confines of fiction and cynical political manipulation.

If a suspect is captured and interrogated because the government suspects them of being involved in an imminent terrorist plot, said suspect’s co-conspirators would find out almost immediately of their capture. Someone knowledgeable about a pending attack would undoubtedly have to stay in touch frequently with his or her fellow plotters. As soon as they fail to communicate with their contacts on schedule, their co-conspirators would have to assume that one of theirs has been detained and interrogated. They would then have to assume that their plans are going to come out and would immediately cancel the attack and disperse themselves to the winds.
Nice spin. But I have your daughter. I'm not going to blow up a building with lots of other people. However, you are right with what you laid out. The others would change their plans if they knew someone was going to give up the operation.

So how would you answer the question posed? Pour water up my nose, or let your daughter die.

It's easy until it comes in your front door and attacks your family. At that point it's not the "confines of fiction" anymore or some political game.
I would chop you up into little bits starting with your penis, and make sure to cauterize as I went along- but you know, that's just me. I believe in justifiable homicide, too. Defending one's family is not the same as defending a strategic position :) and you know it Cat.
Ok CatnLion: But don't try to make your imagined scenario about our government's torture policies because they aren't related.

I'm willing to play along and answer your fictional scenario, but only if you acknowledge that your scenario is completely unrelated to government torture policies.
Dennis, you are right.

What we do as a government policy is different than what I would do if you went after my family. When I wrote this there were lots of posts about how there is no way they would ever do it, no way no how. Most looked like a rant that was not thought out when in fact I believe most people who ranted they never would, when it happened to them, would respond like Julie. I know I would hold him down for her.

I don't believe in absolutes. The only absolute is I was born, therefore I will die.
Thank you CatnLion. It's not as common as one would like to find people who will admit when they're mistaken, so it's appreciated.

The fact that it didn't work that time doesn't mean it will never work. That is why when the debate was hot I agreed with the position that it needs to be done on the order of the President only.

One person has the responsibility and the same person has the call. It can't be the person who is dealing with the problem and is caught up in the emotions, or just who ever is in charge right them and couldn't give a crap.

I suffer from CRS a lot.

If the police can lie to someone about what they know or don't know or anything else to get a crime solved why shouldn't they be able to lie about using torture?

To really do it, not the police. See my last statement.
no, you don't. i don't have a daughter. i am a daughter, and i don't want my parents to torture anyone on my behalf.

let me ask you something sincerely... if reality doesn't matter, why should any of us ever get any rights or due process? your advocating for constructing our laws based off your imagination. why is that a good idea?

if you really had my daughter, who doesn't exist, there's no guarantee that anything the police or i might do to you would get her back.

so you can go to your grave knowing that you had someone tortured for no reason AND you lost your daughter. is that the kind of justice we should strive for? your scenario doesn't reflect reality, and it also doesn't reflect any ideal.

tell you what... i have your daughter. you've got the wrong guy. and i live on mars. you can't arrest me, you can't do anything to me to compel me to come back and i'm not telling you where she is.

what do you do? do you let the person you have go? did you torture him yet or not?
If someone had my daughter and I thought something would get one of my kids back I would go to the end of the world to get them back and I wouldn't care about all the liberal crap or anything else. The goal would be to get my kid back.

However you missed the point of the scenario. The point is you have to make it personal to see what a person would really do. Like that little girl that was buried alive by that guy a few months ago. If I was her father, I would have poured the water myself.

Liberals like to live in their ideal world that doesn't exist when it knocks on your door.
I've got an idea for you. Call your father tomorrow and tell him you have made a decision. If something ever happens to you that you would rather die than have him pour water up somebodies nose to find out what happened to you.

Report back and let me know what he said.
I sitting here thinking. I can't believe that you would be sitting across from the man who know that tomorrow planes were going to fly into building and you would just say that you were sorry 3000 people were going to die tomorrow but the life of the man who was planning to kill them was worth more than all those he was going to kill.

Several people from the CIA have reported that they had gotten actionable information that has stopped other attacks on American soil.

You would have let those people die. Would that be blood on your hands?