Gertrude Kasebier thought so. In 1897 she was publicly advising women that photography could be a “gratifying and profitable success.”
This was new. On all sorts of levels. This was new.
The print above, “The Manger” sold for $100. A record.
Today Kasebier is viewed as a giant of modern art.
At 37, she entered the Pratt Institute of Art and Design. Here’s a portrait she took of her teacher, Arthur Wesley Dow.

Dow was an ancestor of mine, cited by artists other than Kasebier, as being a major influence on their work. (See Teaching Genius to Paint).
Here’s a piece by Kasebier clearly showing Dow’s influence and his stewardship of the Japanese term, “Notan” Very loosely translated as “filling a space with beauty.”

One theme in Kasebier’s enormous body of work was the bond between mother and child.
Her own marriage was not a happy one. But like every artist she channeled that into her work. This is called “Yoked and Muzzled—Marriage.”

In the late 1890’s, “Buffalo Bill’s Wild West” show, a theatrical performance set up shop in Brooklyn; and Kasebier wandered over with her camera. Throughout the next 10 years she’d photograph members of the troupe.
Unlike other artists who would focus on the Native American dress or customs; Kasebier zeroed in on her subjects as individual people. Individual people. That too, was new.
Her legacy as an American artist is of course first in her stunning body of work; and the influence she had on those who came later.
But there is another legacy woven into the full, rich tapestry she left behind. It’s a footnote to her history. But it’s a reflection of an argument that has been going on since cavemen and women first drew pictures of last night’s dinner on the walls of their caves. It’s a really simple question. Much deeper than it sounds.
It’s this: Should artists make money?
At one point in her career, a seminal figure of American art, Alfred Stieglitz, called Kasebier, “beyond dispute, the leading artistic portrait photographer of the day.”
Few years later, that changed. Kasebier and Stieglitz had what’s described as an “unexpected personality clash.” Now while no one ever has a lens large enough to know what that means in total; one thread of the clash was Kasebier’s belief that it was OK for artists to be commercially and profitably successful. Stieglitz, on the other hand, put forth the idea of “art for arts sake.”
Kasebier had that “thing” artists have. That thing where if you don’t do your art, if you don’t pour yourself into it down to the tip toes of your soul; you find yourself not breathing right. Who knows? Maybe she would have done her work for free?
An awful lot of people in the business of packaging every kind of art and bringing it to the world know about that “thing,” artists have. They know it can be a vulnerability and they know how to exploit it.
But not everyone in the business of bringing some kind of art to the world sees it that way.
Some would agree with Gertrude Kasebier. Some who are, today, right now, in the position to make a difference.
Like, for example, Rocco Landesman, recently appointed by President Obama as Chairman of the National Endowment for the Arts. Landesman’s belief, which he has demonstrated in his own career, is that the arts can actually be an economic engine.
Now, take that core belief, which Mr. Landesman stated in his initial interview with the New York Times; and start dreaming.
What if the arts could; Change lives? Give voice to history? Create literature by opening doors to literary talent that would otherwise be closed?
What if the arts could build community among the arts, business and government? Groups of people who don’t talk to each other all that much.
And what if, here’s the big one, what if the arts could be a force that wasn’t seen as simply a “nice to have” part of life?
What if the arts were NOT seen simply as something business or the government supported?
What if we took Gertrude Kasebier’s way of looking at the world one step further and figured out how to put the arts on equal footing with business and government?
A true economic engine. What if the arts could actually stimulate economic growth?
In that same New York Times interview, Mr. Landesman had a quote that I’m guessing Gertrude Kasebier would have liked. Here’s what he said,
“Artist’s kids need shoes too.”
What do you think?


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Few artists of any discipline will ever be paid what they're worth, especially in their lifetimes. That should change. But. Well. Teachers (including those in the arts) should be among the highest paid professionals... Keeping pushing for The Right Things, Roger. Please.
That's the Fine arts answer.
Otherwise, learn all the computer graphics and force yourself to swallow a shitload of HTML code and Java script and pretend you understand it better than you actually do and get a job with a company who will believe your BS. Fake it till you make it.
(this usually means giving up on any and all fine arts - no time).
Whether somebody capitalizes on someone else's talent is EXACTLY the point. Stieglitz wasn't the "bad" guy and Kasebier the "good" one---that's what is so hard about the question.
That and the vulnurability of the artist when they put themselves out there.
Chuck---yes! A balance btw the psychotic and real life. Kind of a tricky tightrope.
Owl--I know a minister who, if he was not a minister, would be the wealthiest guy I know---it's a very similar question.
Sally--in the Chicago schools they are slashing like crazy and there are a lot of us screaming.
Apache--like you said "learn all the computer graphics and force yourself to swallow a shitload of HTML code and Java script and pretend you understand it better than you actually do and get a job with a company who will believe your BS. Fake it till you make it."
That is a LOT of people right there!
Steve---I think that was one reason Georgia eventually took off for the west---alone. . . . But I think Mr. Landesman, who got his start booking the Smothers Brothers in St Louis, might be able to turn that scary tide. He gets it about the shoes.
Ardee-- I bet there a kit of graphic designers who feel the same way.
One of my heroes was Wallace Stevens---brilliant poet AND VP of an Insurance company. I've been trying to figure out how he did that for about 30 years.
The day insurance company CEO's stop making $50,000 an hour, ballplayers don't get $120 million contracts, and Hollywood actors don't get $10 million a film and 2% of the gross may be the day we can pay teachers, policemen, firemen, artists, and writers not named Stephen King or Dan Brown more than a subsistence living.
I wish I had an answer, besides YES they do deserve shoes...
R
course, just as a writer might not be published and might have to have a "day job" or an inventor might invent things that never catch on, so too will artists have varying levels of financial success.
then of course, there is the "but is it art?" question.
i went to a giant modern art museum this weekend. i dont get modern art, a lot of it. i liked a lot of pieces much more after my friend explained them to me ("yes, those are only strings from the ceiling, but don't they call to mind invisible walls?" and those strings became such vivid invisible walls that i had to put my hand out when i walked through them). on the other hand, much of the work at that infamous sensations show at brooklyn museum, will never be explained to me in a way that makes them art.
artists have a very hard row to hoe, and especially avant garde artists.
should artists get paid? the society that denies artists is a society willfully brain-dead
just sayin'
I never ever considered telling him what to do with left brain abilities...that he should find his way is exactly the way it should be for him.
Artists should be paid, but the art should come first, even given drastic consequences.
Beautiful post Roger, loved it very much.
The passion that drives the artist to create is sacred and beautiful, profoundly so. We could never truly repay them for all they give to us, but it would be nice if we actually give them something close to what they deserve - shoes for their children would probably be a nice place to start.
Doesn't art already do this? Seriously. The problem, IMHO, is that this doesn't happen frequently enough.
And yes, I agree with Landesman and Kasebier - artists have kids too, and those kids have needs. There is no such thing as "enough beauty" in this world.
When playing with some neighbors, slapping together a couple of sets for the arts council, I've actually been accused of disliking financial rewards for turning down payment, when the truth is that I'd have loved to have been paid handsomely if the quality had been there. The closest I've gotten to "art for art's sake" is posting here at OpenSalon. Real world?
Carolina--True. And there is only so much money in any pot. So when it all goes to Stephen King (who I like!) and Dan Brown (who a lot of other people like---their is a systemic problem, a delivery problem. New voices are simply not heard.
AHP---I'm fresh out of "profound" myself so I know the feeling!
Buffy---I don't have the answer either; but your comment prompted the thought that maybe we are all too conditioned to making art being one thing and making money being a whole other thing. Maybe we draw too many lines (if only in our heads) between those two things? Researching this piece, I found a print in the Smithsonian archives (which is the source for these prints) that Kasebier took of Rodin. He was rarely photographed and the print was too dark to post; but I remember the story of him having a factory where he would design "Rodins" and then his apprecentices would finish the jobs and stamp them out. So maybe ther is a way to move the two together and not just accept the fact that artists are always going tobe stepped on.
Jane---that is a really good point. If we think it's tough for artists, how bout artists on the cutting edge? Thomas Pynchon just published a detective novel. I wonder if he could get "Gravity's rainbow " published today?
Roy "willfully brain dead" sums it up well. Killing what lasts.
mamoore--advocating for art as an economic engine is something I've come to believe leaves 98% of the world scratching their heads and saying "Huh? what are you TALKING about?" Which is why it's so important to partner with smart people who "get it." ---when trying to get the message across. I'm fortunate, incredibly fortunate and grateful to have found somebody who "gets it" and knows how to get it across!
Barry---"drastic consequences" is exactly what this requires. Because it's a whole different way of thinking. Support for the arts is so often disguised as patronizing good will. Getting behind that "good will" is required to get to the real issue of the value of art.
Lisa---that's the way I see it. Something that is so simple. We're sure.
Getting there is the tough part!
Harriet--I read that when Kasebier took the shots, she would often remove ceremonial garb so that she could get to the person. There is a subtle (or not subtle) kind of racism she crushed when she took these pictures of PEOPLE--not characters.
Teresa---yes---health care too!
Bill---that's a great comment---"there is no such thing as enough beauty"
Rod--you might have hit on something. If the lack of arts education is so woefully lacking; then the market driven nature of what happens next is also bound to suffer. Perhaps to where it really isn't a complete picture of the market. In other words, if the only thing to buy is Stephen King; is that really market driven? I'm not sure.
Stacey--that's another excellent point no one brought up---artistic behavior getting labelled a prima dona
Is it just me, or are the comments on this post exceptionally insightful, intelligent, thoughtful and more stimulating than the coffee I'm drinking (as I put off applying for jobs and try and reply to all of these great, intelligent comments.)
I think I replied to all of them (someday I'll get a monitor large enough for my old, tired, eyes to see).
Seriously though; the comments on this have been fantastic. If ever there was a post destined for the back, and not the front page, it's this one. I'd put money on that.
But in case anyone else stumbles by by accident---please chime in!
You'd be in great company with all those who have left their extra terrific comments on this.
A good friend of mine in Chicago, a painter, once sold a painting to Nabisco and they used it in an add, plopping a Ritz Cracker in the center of the piece. He took a great deal of flack for it, but after seeing what was at stake for the sale of the painting (his wife was desperately ill, and he was not wealthy or insured)I saw his decision as justified, and held him in high regard. There are many supremely trust, and /or otherwise funded folks in the arts. Many of them work very hard...Many, and they are fine Artists...but many are also quick to look down at other artists who have always faced terrible hardship, creating, and living, by the skin of their teeth, for day-to-day.
Fortunately, my meager pay of around a hundred dollars a month was not affected then, although that congregation has since decided to stop hiring professionals to lead their choir which has been detrimental to the quality of music they produce.
With the arts, like anything else, you get what you pay for. Unfortunately, too many people think you shouldn't have to pay for art. Come to think of it, probably artist's children don't need shoes. Neither do artists.
Gary---good, new point. The judgement put on artists for how they do or don't get paid has an extra layer to it. nobody can judge somebody else's Ritz Cracker!
Dorinda: Can art be both profitable and life affirming?
THAT is the important question!