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. . . is the author of over forty books of humor available in print and Kindle format on amazon.com.

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APRIL 26, 2010 9:14PM

Joni Mitchell v. Bob Dylan: Battle of the Folk Heavyweights

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Bob [Dylan] is not authentic at all.  He's a plagiarist and his name and voice are fake.

                                                   Joni Mitchell, Los Angeles Times


"That's not an A minor chord, you doofus!"

It's been a tough coupla decades for a folk music fight promoter, lemme tell ya.  Like everybody says, if there ain't no action in the heavyweight division, the lacka no action trickles down troo da weight classes.  You got da middleweights, yer Phil Ochses, yer Tom Rushes.  Folks will come see dem on an undercard, but not da main event.


"Sing 'Greensleeves--that oughta get him!"

You drop down to your lightweights, yer Melanies and yer Arlo Guthries.  Sure, they're good for a Friday night hootenanny, but are ya gonna get any kinda draw on pay-per-view?  I don't think so.


"I got a brand new pair of roller skates, you've got an object that completes my double entendre."

But boy, lemme tell ya, da prospect of a Bob Dylan-Joni Mitchell slugfest, that's got my mouth salivatin'.  Lessee--"Rumble in the Jungle" has already been used.  How about "Crash in the College Gym" or "Collision in the Episcopalian Church Basement."  Sumpin' like dat--it's a promotional thing, see?


"No--not 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns!'"

A lotta people say they don't like the pre-fight hoopla, say it's all fake.  I say it's part of the fight, psychin' out your folk music opponent like Cassius Clay did ta Sonny Liston.  So I say Joni's got every right to run her mouth off at Dylan.  Everybody knows she's just yankin' his chain about the fake name.  "Joni Mitchell" is a phony as a three-dollar bill.  Her real name's Roberta Joan Anderson and everybody knows it.  Personally I think it's a cheap crack callin' Bobby out 'cause he didn't wanna be Bobby Zimmerman any more--who would?  Lotsa champs change their name.  Clay became Ali, Sugar Ray Robinson was Walker Smith, Jr.  Who cares?  It's part of the business.


T.S. Eliot:  "I said it and I meant it, see?"

The plagiarism stuff--that's more serious, tho.  What is it T.S. Eliot said?  "Immature poets imitate? Mature poets steal."  I know Bob stole "Corrine, Corrina" from Bo Chatmon and the Mississippi Sheiks and Robert Johnson.  That just shows he's mature.

I mean--what has Joni ever stolen?  Maybe the hair, from Mary Travers of Peter, Paul & Mary.  Maybe the open tuning on her guitar from Richie Havens.  The dippy demeanor, tho, that's hers, she came up with that.  That's her gift to music, she should get credit for it.

Anyway, it's gonna be da fight of the century.  I know that ain't sayin' much since the century's only nine years old, but still, we ain't had a major folk music fight The Chad Mitchell Trio took on The Kingston Trio in a battle royal on Hootenanny!

I'll lay you 2 to 1 Dylan knocks her out.

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Well, I don't mean no disrespect to a fine singer from Saskatchewan Canada but either this has all been taken totally out of context or she out of her frickin' mind?

I think somebody better call up a Big Yellow Taxi for her.

Has the Bob had any retort to this? He's probably the first to admit he is plagiarist. But at least he stole from the finest!
Jack Johnson vs Jack Johnson as the undercard to your main event.
alright, I'll buy the pay-per-view. but if they put Joan Baez in the undercard with anybody, I'm cancelling my subscription.
He should change his name to MC Dylan and say, "It ain't plagiarism. I call it sampling."
i want some o dat axshun
I thought it was all Make Love Not War? Did I miss something? xox
Just put some bleachers out in the sun and have it on Highway 61.
This was great writing. You're a find. Look forward to more reading in the future.
After Dylan unleashes his hurricane on her, she's gonna need a little shelter from the storm.
Like you, I believe the psyche before the fight is a part of the fight. Sometimes it's the best part.
This is great! I vote for Joni though hands down! He may win a physical fight but she wins all the way in talent in my book. Don't get me wrong, Dylan is an american icon, but he didn't get me through high school like Joni did!
I likes em both, and I dislikes em sometimes, you know what I'm sayin?
It's sad when these troubadours get too old for the WBC and end up as pro wrestlers. The sight of Koerner, Ray, and Glover as a Texas tag team broke my heart. Where's Rod Serling when we need him?
I saw Spider John on the North Side of Chicago in 1969. Two drink minimum, which meant I paid $10 for a couple of ginger ales.
I saw Dylan take Russell out - Leon, for chrissake! - with one swipe of his hat - Leon's. Hey, when da ref raises one o' da arms up to signal da victory, it ain't gonna be Joni's, babe! No no no, it ain't... (r)
So that's why Leon retired.

I saw him on TV the other day. He looked like somebody I saw in the dementia ward at my mom's nursing home.
I do hope this is all in jest. Bob and Joni did some gigs together with Van Morrison a few years ago. They did one show on our campus and I heard a swooshing sound which turned out to be all the tickets going just as I opened the email announcing it.

If it's not, I'm gonna be in those bleachers out on Highway 61.
The quote is real. It turned up on a number of news sites yesterday, with Joni looking somewhat pissy. From the text before and after the quote it looked like she meant it.
Saw Joni Mitchell at Civic Auditorium in Austin, TX in 1977. Audience alternately swooning, worshipful, madly cheering. When encore came, Bob Dylan walked out on stage and glowered at audience. Roof fell in. When cheers finally stopped, they did a duet on "Girl from the North Country." Wow.
Joni is probably the most prolific female songwriter of the 20th century. She performed for years before gaining the recognition she truly deserved. Dylan’s star rose relatively quickly upon his arrival in NYC, as his music was tied to a burgeoning social revolution.

While Joni’s writing matured, Dylan is most well known for his 60’s output. Who knows why she called him out in the manner in which she did. Possibly, she’s resentful that she’s never received the adulation due her, as a female artist in a male dominated business.

In any event, the gauntlet has been laid down. Way to hit below the belt Joni!
In the cookie I read
"Some get the gravy
And some get the gristle
Some get the marrow bone
And some get their ass kicked by Joni Macaroni."
I like 'em both, in small doses. Bad rap against Joni: She likes those big-eyed children paintings--seriously.

As for Dylan, best line I've heard about him recently was that his fans are the battered wives of the music industry. No matter what he does--an album of Christmas carols?--they still come back to him.

Nonetheless, the video of him singing "Must Be Santa" is hilarious.
Oh no.
I hate it when my family fights.
Joni, my sweet sister sang me crying to sleep
crying my dreams still not done,
still was the toughest blond any man every tried to hang onto around with by
why
do you think she had so many songs about making her baby, me, cry?
So.
Do you think she's going to give my brother, Bob,
who -come on man- lead the frigging revolution
until the shots started to be fired,
( then he got god but not in a zen way,)
some kind of a clear shot without grinning him some crap
about just how much of his output
should be put out with yesterday's papers.?
No, she's not.
And if you don't like it or he don't like it well, wait.
Families will re-gel, colder perhaps,
but trying hard to be semi-solid.

Joe(can't hold either one of them's thumbpick.)Nation
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Well, that was a little mean. Maybe it was some sarcastic in-joke that Bob totally gets?

Anyway, it *is* a fact that no matter what dreck Bob Dylan puts out it will be hailed, while Joni Mitchell gets just a fraction of the credit she's earned. *Modern Times,* while being competently produced and performed, is for me just about unlistenable due to the lackluster faux-portent of the lyrics, and the voice that really has only lost character while growing more ridiculously croaky.
Hey, Mr. Chapman. Speaking of Spider John, around the time you heard him I spent a long afternoon jamming with him and Willie Murphy the day after they played a great concert at Wesleyan, where I was a student (of sorts.) I couldn't believe I was there, a 20-year old guitar player with that legend, all of us on the floor of some hippie pad. Maybe it was the big jug of wine...I was in the front row for Joni's concert at Wesleyan around that time. It changed my life. I walked in a science nerd and left as someone who would make his living writing music. I've posted an account of that concert, along with a rare picture of Joni, on my blog luminousmuse.wordpress.com
That's cool. I have previously posted accounts on this site of my brief moments in blues history, playing harmonica (badly) with Willie Dixon and Mississippi Fred McDowell.