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SEPTEMBER 29, 2010 2:25PM

Writer vs "Writer": Casualties Mount, OS in Chaos

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Los Angeles, CA: Shots were fired in an apparent “Writers” vs  Writers war on Open Salon Monday. The first casualty was Los Angeles resident Joe Shit the Rag Man. The debate, apparently started by Ken Honeywell, rages over “who is a real writer and who is not” on Open Salon. Comments ranging from humorous to bitter rang out all day on Honeywell’s blog entry ”What We Write About When We Write About Writing”. 

   Honeywell started the melee by waving his 1099 tax statement around yelling “SEE! SEE! Right here: it says Writer. No asterisks! Got it!” Honeywell struck Cranky Cuss in the face with the 1099, stunning him for a few moments. Cuss was right back at his keyboard posting The Longest Comment Of All. More shots were fired on Monday night as Caitlin Kelly posted “Ten Things "Real" Writers Do”. 

   “ I appreciated Ms. Kelly’s writing tips, but did she have to add the quote marks to the word writer?” said the Ragman, who lives behind the blue dumpster at 3rd and Spring Street. “I read her blog all the time, she’s in my faves for crying out loud! Why does she need to tell me she’s a professional?” 

   the Ragman who is “just a blogger, not a writer,” was being treated by paramedics for a sucking chest wound from Honeywell’s first shots  when Kelly’s volley hit him in the groin, shoving his testicles into his abdomen. “I’ve been injured worse than this. Safe_Bets Amy once deleted a comment of mine. Now that took some healing time and a lot of therapy! I’ll be back up and posting on OS in no time. You just hide and watch.” Joe Shit the Ragman posts on OS from a stolen iPhone. 

    “If she had just left it with the writing tips these guys wouldn’t have to be digging around pulling my balls out. It was the comments. The comments dammit!” he said while wincing in pain. “I didn’t think she needed to take that pot shot at Cindy Ross, either.”

   the Ragman appeared confused and let down as he slipped into a drug induced coma. “It’s just a meeting place to bounce ideas off each other,” finishing his sentence with his favorite phrase, “for crying out loud!” People get so wound up about these stupid fucking titles. Christ! I mean jeez! Can’t pros mingle with amateurs without everybody getting so butt hurt? And what's wrong with . . . hand-wringing, hank-clutching "OMG, My feelings!!!!!!" stuff that (over) populates this site,”  What the hell was that “And So It Was Cancer” epic that Ken Honeywell wrote, if not hand wringing? For crying out loud. I read nearly all of it, and will buy the hardback first edition if I find a wallet in the alley where I live. 

   Do we really need to piss in a circle like fucking dogs? Everybody acts like this shit’s for real or something.”

   

 

 http://open.salon.com/blog/ken_honeywell/2010/09/27/what_we_talk_about_when_we_talk_about_writing

 

 http://open.salon.com/blog/caitlin_kelly/2010/09/27/ten_things_real_writers_do

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Is it safe to come out yet ‽
Hah, I love it. Now this is writing!
Super coverage on this fox news worthy topic...xox
You writers, with your fountain pens and your so-called punctuation, your tweed jackets and your automatic garage door openers, you people fucking sicken me.
There are no erasers in foxholes. As General Patton once said, "Make ever sentence count!" To which I should point out that Colonel Avery Smith responded, "Sir, that wasn't a complete sentence." Which led to the infamous Battle of the Infinitives, where so many lost their lives, their purposes and their grammar.
"hit him in the groin, shoving his testicles into his abdomen"

That's some hardcore shit there. Was Keyser Soze involved?
David: Get a hard hat. Approach with caution.
scanner: Thanks. Like Stephen King said: I wrote it half an hour! (OK, that's a lie)
scanner: Thanks. Like Stephen King said: I wrote it half an hour! (OK, that's a lie)
Duane wrote: "There are no erasers in foxholes."

Then I read this. It made me laugh out loud. There is something fundamentally wrong with me; I might be a sadist, or a masochist, depending on the perspective.
katesley: Thank you. Was going to take Joe Shit some Crackerjack for the follow-up.
Robin: ". . .fox news worthy topic" Much ado about nothing gave me something to do today. Should be working in the yard, but I found a wonderful avoidance mechanism.
Thank you Jonathan! I try not to take myself too seriously.
nanatehay: Uh, I should prob'ly ditch the ascot, maybe? And the blue blood east coast accent, too? OK.
Duane: I'll cut and paste that to add to my list of useful axioms. Thanks!
Purple Pedant: I don't know who Keyser Soze is but if he had has had his testicles shoved up to his abdomen I feel bad for him. Fundamentally, you're OK. Well, I'm just guessing of course.
In all honesty, I was only marginally aware of the writer vs. "writer" debate. I'm totally out of the loop these days, but still want to do my part; is there anybody I should write a post about, a vicious diatribe full of scurrilous invective and unfounded accusations? I just want to help.
nana: High Lonesome beat me to it, but if you run out of fun things to do, I have thick skin. Or not. Really, I just want to cry.
Fantastic! Were you a sportscaster at some point? I was on the edge of my seat throughout. You are the man!
bluestocking: No I wasn't but thanks for the props!
I didn't realize that I was being graded on my writing like back in Sr. Mary Angelus's class. Back then, the words didn't matter so much as the penmanship! R
"Do we really need to piss in a circle like fucking dogs?"

Only on Thursdays and Saturdays, the rest of the time, we just hold our breath till we turn blue!! ;D

I still contend I write shit as do 99.9 percent of the world. :D
It's just a blog for cripes' sakes!
This is delicious! Love it!

So sorry about your balls, though.

And, let's get something very clear because It's Very Important. I open my garage door by hand.
Conrad, Keyser was the infamous badass from The Usual Suspects. In my reference, he is the one doing the gut kicking and ball shoving.
i write nonsense, I do not have a garage, I do not have a blue blood accent, only an Icelandic one. If I build a garage and get a new accent can I be a writer too???
Too funny, Conrad. You are my hero.
I see. This was gooood coverage of the writing wars. I don't participate or know what is going on write now, but this was so entertaining.

I am laughing at "there are no erasers in foxholes" and will gladly pay Nanetahay tomorrow if he loans me a cup of invective today.

Rated, of course.
What we need right now are some wimmen pirates. Oh wait, we drove them away.
libmomrn: It appears we're forever being graded. Not always a bad thing.
tink: I write shit too. I will always be in awe of the .1% that can rightfully call themselves writers.
OEsheepdog: My point exactly.
Caitlin:
Delicious is a wonderful complement. Thanks very much.

I have read much of your work over the last couple of weeks. You are truly gifted. And a good sport too.
Ablonde: My kerchief, ma'am? About that avatar... never mind, I'll be back in a minute.
Open Salon: Wear a Cup!

Great post. A little more realistic than is entirely comfortable, but darned good reporting!!!!
Poppi: Any way you like it!
Doc Spudman: A first for me. Thank you!
Xenonlit: I agree. "There are no erasers in foxholes" was the best line of all on my blog and I didn't get to write it. Kudos to Duane Gundrum!!!
Harlee: They'll be back I just know it!
Kitd: Good advice! Thank you!
I live in fear of getting punched in the jugular with a pencil.
Youse guys still ain't got this settled?!!

Sheesh! For me its easy.

If you write it and I like it - you're a writer. To me.

Do I care if you're also a writer to someone else?
Nope - never was monogamous writer-wise.
snarkychaser: Ouch! Didn't Joe Pesci do that to a guy in some movie?

skypixie: I don't think it will ever be settled, but that's OK. Something to do when there's nothing to do.
Veronica: Of course. Join the "fun"
Goddam writers, for crying out loud.
I'm happy that they let dogs post on OS. Thats righter than a lot of other things I think

Buffy
I may not be a real writer, but I am a commenter! Real writers are too good to roll around in this dust. As I was saying the other day, I am just a blogoramus....
I am just so confused. Is this over yet?
I did not hit Cranky with my tax return. I hit him with my rapier wit.
I knew I shouldn't have turned off the computer!
This is exceptionally funny.
Does this mean that if I buy a fountain pen I get to be a writer, too?
Wait, I can't afford one of those on what I got for my last writing...

And James Kastenholz's comment? Oh, gosh I'm howling...wait, that did not sound right...
Dear Buffy:

Glad you came sniffing around.
Oryoki Bowl: Blogoramus is new to me but I'll use it every chance I get. Mostly to describe myself as well.
Bernadine: No. But be patient.
Ken: No wonder he was stunned. Touche'!
Vanessa: I wish I could answer that for you. Go ahead and get the fountain pen for now, but we're still waiting for people a lot smarter than me, (which is most everyone) to work up the definition.
I heard this was where we are supposed to come to get mounted.
Safe_Bets Amy once deleted a comment of mine.


DAMMIT! I though it was agreed that we wouldn't talk about that until our book hits the stand!
See? I write that and look who's right there under me ... Amy. She wants me bad.
Hey, I'm a lover, not a fighter. (Wait, why is my wife laughing?)
Should I return for further developments?
Rated and "favorited".
Who said there are no pirate wimmin left here? I take exception to that.

Signed
A pirate wimmin
1_irritated_mother wrote: ... Amy. She wants me bad.

And the point is...?

Oh, wait. Let me change that to "And Your point is...?" I don't want Caitlin to accuse me of plagiarizing her title.
There's something about you I like...
Wait! You're not insinuating Stephen King lied, are you? I'm shocked! Shocked, I say! Shocked.

Now I have the urge to repeat the word "shocked" over and over. Thanks a lot. I'm going to go play with my quotation marks somewhere. Meanie.

hee hee hee hee
Damn I love it when I stumble across an new "favorite". For the first time since the shit bombs started falling from both sides, I have read something on the subject that made me smile. I was just on the verge of entering the fray, but then I read this and I think you have done it more justice than I ever could....keep up the reports, if the war lasts longer.
capt'n ... "real" writers are like "normal" people ... nuf said?

OS does have some amazing keyboard artists!!! ... lew
Funny analysis. A committee should be formed to set an exam so we could see who the real, credentialed OS-writers really are.

I should add that I'm grateful profession writers post articles here. There's much that this non-writer learns from them.
(laughing) I do this silently
Fusan A: Absolutely! Admission is free to this funny farm.

Xenonlit: Me too, I like them in tights.

1 irritated mother: I don't think you'd want to mount a casualty. But Amy is right underneath you, as you mentioned. Not that I'm speaking for Amy.

Amy: I didn't know the book deal was a secret. YA GOTTA TELL ME! You know how I am.

Cranky: I'm sure she's laughing WITH you.

Sweetfeet: Thank you! Uh. . .what is it?(blushes while trolling for a compliment)

Odetteroulette: Go ahead and play with the quotation marks, but be careful not to place then in, on or around the word WRITER.
Torman: Thanks for the props! I'm thinking of digging out my old Kevlar vest and doing a follow up interview with Joe Shit.

Abrawang: I'm grateful they post here at OS too. A lot can be learned from a seasoned veteran. I had a pm conversation with Caitlin Kelly. While I don't agree with some of her views, I certainly understand her frustration. She is very talented. And FWIW: She and Ken Honeywell took my jabs at them with the intended sense of humor. Both are true Wordsmiths and a class act.
Mimetalker: OK but it drives me nuts when you do that.
So I'm new to Open Salon, but I just have to say, you guys are scaring me.
I'm going to place them around the word "real." That'll teach 'em.
I suggest we get a tag that says "Actual Writer" next to their post, like with Editor's Pick. Somewhere there must be a registry for this. This way we will know who is and who isn't, no need for bruised feelings.
anyone i can drive nuts, becomes one of my favorites
What an amusing piece! Imaginative injection of humor into the subject.
Janice: We're all harmless. No. . . really.

Oryoki: Our fearless editors should give that some thought.

Odetteroulette: Yes! Another skirmish will generate another post for me!

Mime: Thanks for the compliment. I keep you posted on my mental health so you'll stick around.

Joan H: Thank you so much! Very kind.

Brassawe: Thanks. Just tried to put a funny spin on something that was becoming absurd. (Or did I make it absurd?)

Thanks to you all for stopping by, and don't forget to facelift bar whenever you can!
I am so glad to hear your supporting the write stuff. What about good ole photography ? Each image is worth a thousand words, you know!