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DECEMBER 7, 2008 12:47PM

Bill Ayers: Extreme Vandal or Domestic Terrorist?

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If an adult man marries and impregnates a 14-year-old girl, is he a child rapist? What if this union occurred in the 1600s, when in Europe and America this was culturally accepted practice? 

I use this example to illustrate that terms evolve in meaning and as a lead in to Bill Ayers's Saturday op-ed in The New York Times. The 60s-radical-turned-English-prof who became the "domestic terrorist" McCain/Palin et. al. alleged that Barack Obama was "pallin' around with" had this to say about his militant past:  

I never killed or injured anyone. I did join the civil rights movement in the mid-1960s, and later resisted the draft and was arrested in nonviolent demonstrations. I became a full-time antiwar organizer for Students for a Democratic Society. In 1970, I co-founded the Weather Underground, an organization that was created after an accidental explosion that claimed the lives of three of our comrades in Greenwich Village. The Weather Underground went on to take responsibility for placing several small bombs in empty offices — the ones at the Pentagon and the United States Capitol were the most notorious — as an illegal and unpopular war consumed the nation.

The Weather Underground crossed lines of legality, of propriety and perhaps even of common sense. Our effectiveness can be — and still is being — debated. We did carry out symbolic acts of extreme vandalism directed at monuments to war and racism, and the attacks on property, never on people, were meant to respect human life and convey outrage and determination to end the Vietnam war.

Peaceful protests had failed to stop the war. So we issued a screaming response. But it was not terrorism; we were not engaged in a campaign to kill and injure people indiscriminately, spreading fear and suffering for political ends.

So he basically says yes, I planted bombs, but I didn't kill anyone. It's "extreme vandalism", not terrorism.  

Perhaps Ayers is part right?  Is it possible that which was in the 1960s considered an act of vandalism is now an act of terrorism?  I reject that Ayers is simply an “extreme vandal”, but if, in the 1960s, he intended his explosives to be acts of vandalism, if they were seen at the times by the public as acts of desecration and not as acts of mass human destruction, and the contemporary way in which we understand terrorism had not yet been created, then there isn’t a defined binary here.

Certainly if the Pentagon bombing was done today it would be rightly labeled an act of terror. And, because the world has changed and we interpret certain acts in new, previously unrealized ways, we see the past through the lens of our modern understanding. But perhaps what Ayers did is both vandalism and terrorism?

There were times in this country (some very recent times, like 40 years ago in places) when the killing of a Black person was not murder.  If in 1820 I killed an African slave in Georgia, it is doubtful that neither I nor others in my community would have considered that an act of murder. Yet no one here would dispute the label of murder today.

On the other hand, we tend to excuse plenty of historical actions and attitudes because "that's just how things were back then".  Were your male ancestors who married and impregnated 14 & 15 year old girls child rapists? Or are they off the hook because they were a product of their times?

My point is not to exonerate Bill Ayers. Even if I agree with his desire to end the fraudulent Vietnam War, the rules say you can't bomb stuff like the Pentagon.  All I'm saying is that to accurately classify Bill Ayers, one needs to take into account the whole of the 60s, what everyone else was doing at the time, the pro-war and anti-war crowds, the pro-civil rights and anti-civil rights crowds, Americans at home and Americans abroad, and good American soldiers and American soldiers who were killing, beheading, burning, and raping Vietnamese men, women, and children by the thousands.  And then one needs to take into account how the people of the 60s saw all these actions.

Today, Bill Ayers's actions would be considered terrorist, but that simple fact alone doesn't make him a terrorist just like the actions of our forefathers who married teenage girls would today make them child rapists, but that doesn't mean they actually were child rapists.

Again, I don’t let Ayers off the hook as just a vandal.  But I think we can find a more precise way to label Ayers that doesn’t lazily throw him in with Mohammed Atta and bin Laden, because whatever anyone thinks of Ayers and however criminal and dangerous his activity was, Ayers is not Atta or bin Laden.

So the question is posed to you: how do you label Bill Ayers? Terrorist? Vandal? Freedom Fighter? Traitor? Patriot?

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JL Davis,

I agree and have never been into the Bill Ayers drama, but Ayers inserted himself back into the conversation and I've heard many folks talking about the Saturday op-ed. I'm, however, amazed at how many people think this he is either clearly "this" or clearly "that" and I wanted to add my 0.02¢.

In 20 minutes from now I'm sure I'll go back to not caring about Bill Ayers.
No problem, JL. lol.

I didn't read too much into it and understood immediately where you were coming from.
A coward because he won't face up to the fact that his "strategy" didn't work, and in fact ran counter to the cause of peace, and still after all these years he won't admit it.
i had a bit to say about ayers at 'innocent civilian'. drop in for a different view.
A coward because he won't face up to the fact that his "strategy" didn't work, and in fact ran counter to the cause of peace, and still after all these years he won't admit it.

You will recall he did admit that he didn't do enough. And it's difficult to deny that what he did was very bold: bold and stupid. I think he still harbors some illusions that it was something other than stupid, but such is human vanity.
The word “coward” really does not apply to Ayers. He may be a narcissist, I don’t know. But were his actions cowardly? I don’t think so.

I don’t think Ayers’ actions are seen clearly at this point in history. To look back at events from that era is one thing, but there was a different cultural tapestry back then than exists today. It’s difficult to describe, but I would probably start by saying that the times were more “primitive”.

Consider Kent State and the killing of college students by soldiers. Consider the desegregation of schools. I don’t know; who were the real terrorists? Who were the real cowards?

Were Ayers’ actions antithetical to peace? One could argue that based on the fact that his actions appear violent, not peaceful. I’m not sure that makes his actions antithetical to peace, though. Whose actions were truly not aligned with peace?
Thanks everyone for their opinions.

Rick, good point about Kent State.

Jane, I think people don't protest because we run ourselves ragged elsewhere (mainly work), and I wrote a post on that topic today.
Let me amend what I have said so there is no other confusion about it like Rick Lucke's. It wasn't his actions in the 60's that make me call Ayer's a coward. They were naive, ignorant, and antithetical to the cause of peace but I wouldn't call them cowardly--at the time.

What's cowardly is that he still hasn't owned up to his mistake in the interim when it has become clear it does not work to protest against violence with violence or the threat of it in a post ML King, and Gandhi world.

Fortunately, in the protests against the Iraq non-violence became the accepted strategy, and today we have a wind down of the war owning to the success of the political process to contain dissent.

It's Ayers who is stuck in time due to his ideology, and a nation that has passed him by.
jane,

I concur with your assessment about the being "too scared to protest". During recent campaigns we've seen the beginnings of a clear police state in which protesters are restricted from the viewing range of the very politicians they protest. What's the point of protesting if nobody sees it, especially those politicians who most need to see it.
Ben,

I appreciate your perspective regarding peaceful protests, and whenever possible, they are truly more desirable. I do have to say, though, that history is replete with events in which only violence would bring about the desired/needed change. Just as peaceful protests do not always succeed, neither do violent protests always succeed. Both have a record of success and failure.

Patience is, I believe, a virtue, but I also recognize that there are times when patience has been exhausted, and the tradeoff between continuing to be patient and the continued loss of life for no valid purpose is no longer preferable. One great example of this, I think, is what happened with Native Americans. At first, for the most part, Native Americans were patient, but eventually, many of them realized that was ensuring the annihilation of their people, and fighting back offered more honor. I don’t fault them for that. And I don’t think they are cowards because they don’t admit that they should have been more passive in their own betrayal by the U.S. Government.

Another great example of this, and one that is more current, would be the Bolivian Water Wars. Patience led to nothing, except poverty and disease, until violence struck; then change occurred.

From what I've read on the matter about Nixon's and Kissinger’s views at the time, the escalation of the protests into more violence was starting to concern the government, and did create a little more sense of urgency in resolving the Vietnam War. I am not crediting Ayers with that, necessarily, but I am not clear on what your "proof" is that Ayers actually obstructed the goal of ending that American "terrorist" action in Vietnam. I also have to say that as far as I have been able to see up to this point, none of the peaceful protests against the Iraq War have had any impact whatsoever. And in many cases, those protesters have been shut down by police actions that were far out of line.

I don’t think I’m exhibiting any “confusion” here. I simply do not see that the term “coward” applies to Ayers; perhaps narcissist, or asshole, or some other pejorative term you may wish to employ. You may have some knowledge I don’t have on the Ayers issue. I know from other things you’ve written that he is someone you find detestable. I look around, and on a sliding scale, I’m not sure he’s even on my “detestable scale”, as there are so many who are/were in a position to end both the Vietnam War and the Iraq War, and instead took actions that perpetuated both in spite of peaceful protests. Again, I respect you much, and enjoy your posts on your blog, I like our rapport and hope this is not something that obstructs that relationship; I just don’t see your point of view of Ayers, but I’m open to evidence that might sway me.
Rick:

I appreciate this exchange, and Mr.Tucker for hosting it. Times change. History changes because choices are made that take into account the actions of of others. In the 60's, for the first time in this nation's history we saw that advent of large scale non-violent protests in the person of Martin Luther King.

Some of us saw the possibility that created and other's did not. I thought, and so did most of the "first wave" of protesters that non-violence was the responsible way to dissent, and the repercussions for violence would be severe. That turned out to be the case--in civil rights, and in the anti-war movement.

We went from being protesters to being saboteurs--in the popular imagination--not an intellectual distinction at the time--and well worth keeping in mind for the future, which is why I am not interested "letting this go," as some say. There is a huge lesson to be learned here.
Ben & Rick:

Thank YOU guys for allowing me to eavesdrop on your conversation. I appreciate the ability to listen to voices from generations that are not my own, especially since I wasn't there when the 60s were happening.

I've enjoyed your back and forth.
Corey,

Ben and I have enjoyed out back and forth, too.

;-)
oops, that should be "ou[r] back and forth"