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JUNE 1, 2009 8:09AM

Murder is Murder* (Take Action Now)

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This morning, I commented at fingerlakeswanderer's blog on her excellent piece "They Shoot Doctors, Don't They?"  about the outrageous terrorist act perpetrated in Kansas of shooting Dr. George Tiller to death. I tried to go back to sleep but I cannot.

We've all been asleep too long.

I continue to be stunned by a philosophy of "righteousness" that has the power to motivate a person to think that abortion is the taking of a life and cold-blooded, premeditated murder is not.

It was explained to me that the "pro-life" people say that fetuses are innocent beings. The fact that they cannot survive outside the uterus doesn't seem to have any bearing on their definition by the "pro-life" cadre as innocent children. 

But what crime did Dr. Tiller commit? Can we define the crime as that he was born and lost his innocence, therefore making him eligible to be punished by a death penalty meted out by a judge, jury and executioner self-appointed by the lunatic terrorist fringe? Does no one but me see what an irony that unholy trinity is?

What crime did any of us who have had an abortion commit? All I can see is that we made a responsible medical decision.

Let's examine the appellation "pro-life" for a moment. It's a misnomer. These true believers aren't actually "pro-life," they're merely advocating for their way of life to the exclusion of any other viewpoint. If they truly believed that their philosophy was inclusive of anything else, they would have to call themselves pro-choice. Being pro-choice means, in the strictest sense of the term in favor of a number and variety of things from which to choose.

And what about that charming slogan of the "pro-life" movement: "Abortion is Murder." No. Murder is Murder. The Free Dictionary offers this as its number one definition: "The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice." 

Being pro-choice doesn't mean that I advocate abortion for everyone, just that I advocate safe and affordable accessibility to this medical prodecure for any woman who wants one.

Instead of murdering doctors and terrorizing healthcare workers and potential patients, why don't these anti-abortion choosers put their money where their mouths are and each adopt half a dozen children from foster care? I'm sure that some of their spokespeople are moneyed enough to be able to provide truly prodigious benefits to a child in need.

I stand in solidarity with all women who have been oppressed far too long simply because of the gender of the body they were born into. I stand in solidarity with my grandmother, my mother, my daughter. I stand in solidarity with all my sisters here on Open Salon.

I stand in solidarity and demand that the rights of women to control their own bodies and their own destinies be relinquished to us now and for all time.

We've all been asleep too long. This is the wake-up call.

 
  

Update: Take Action Now 

*If you wish to answer the call and put your money where your mouth is, you may make a donation online to the George Tiller Memorial Abortion Fund.


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For an excellent piece taking on the subject of the ongoing subjugation of women, please read Emma Peel's Women, men and children: everybody hurts UPDATE.

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It is ironic that at a time when we've been arguing here on Salon about whether we have equal rights and whether feminism is still relevant, Dr. Tiller's murder shows us that people are willing to kill to control women's bodies. They're willing to kill women directly, and they're willing to kill those medical professionals who aid women. The idea that late-term abortion is some kind of whim is obscene; for far too long, we have allowed the anti-choice side to define what language we may use. If a late-term abortion saves a woman's life, how is that not a "pro-life" choice?
And I will stand in solidarity with you and with this post. Risa D also has a post on this. I suspect there will be a few today. I guess a Taliban mentality towards women is more prevalent in the US than previously thought.
JK Brady
June 01, 2009 08:36 AM

OH, please!! One nut case murders a doctor and the US suddenly becomes the Taliban. Let's temper the drama a little bit.
Right next to you on this, Nancy. I don't even understand why there needs to be a discussion about it - women can decide for themselves what to do with their bodies. Period.

Thumbed.
I have stayed quiet for too long. I cannot hold my feelings about this inside any longer. Nor should I have to.
Ironic people that commit crimes like this. I guess they think that "eye for and eye" makes it ok in their minds. People seeing angry, demonic looking ideologs like Dick Cheney on TV each day keeps the anger level up to a rolling boil. I share in your shock and sadness.
rated
A church offers sanctuary; worshippers revel in the glory of God and the message his son died for. Why is it the cowards do this? Why is it that religious bigots of the right encourage this kind of carnage while ignoring the basic of all rights for women... choice.
The hypocrisy of murder in the name of religion isn't new. Neither is the subjugation of women. This is just the latest chapter in a terrifying story that's all too real.

Thanks to all of you who choose to stand with me.
The idea of late term abortions makes me sick. I know that there are some terrible situations where the mother was forced to delay carrying out her decision, or the fetus is just not viable, or the mother's life or health is at risk, but to routinely do these procedures without a good reason, is not what I signed on for in the feminist wars.

I doubt that Tiller performed late stage abortions merely for financial gain and without serious deliberation, as he's being accused of doing.

Tiller was acquitted of doing any illegal procedures.

That being said, the idea of radio ideologues having the power to incite the unstable and evil to action, makes me even sicker. The idea of a clearly dangerous and disturbed individual who broadcast his intentions to kill someone whenever he got around to it, walking around free to do so is a horrific wrong.

What makes me even sicker? This.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189910/Children-neck-deep-Wirral-mother-abandoned-shopping.html

and this....

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/05/28/ng.family.murder.cnn

I will take some time to try to reconcile the fact that there are monsters out there who will kill someone over abortion...and for whatever other reasons they can come up with.

I will also try to reconcile the fact that some radio ideologues are probably crossing the line into the area of incitement to do harm.

I feel terrible today.
I'll stand with you, too. I find the hypocrisy of the "pro-lifers" disgusting.

Great post. Rated.
This is an old issue. This is an ugly subject. WHY do we have to discuss this subject? Should this subject be discussed here? I think murder is bad, and I have never had an abortion, practiced abortion, or murdered anyone. Is it really necessary to discuss ugly subjects lie this one?

If you want to stop the nuts from feeling entitled to do it, HELL YES it needs to be discussed. The first time someone called abortion murder, someone should have stepped in. The next time, some thousand should have stepped in. And as these domestic terrorists deprive people of lives, and our society of legitimate political positions vis a vis reproductive freedom, millions should do as you have done here C.O.S. MURDER is murder. Silence is complicity.
"We've all been asleep too long. This is the wake-up call"

I grew up in a small town in SC, daughter of an exremely religious and "pro-life" father, and attended a high school run by fundamental christian extremists.
I know how I feel about abortion and women's rights- but I usually shy away from standing up for women and our bodies and our rights as human beings. I hear the voices of my friends and family echo in my head- I know that their opposition to abortion is closely tied in with the religious beliefs and worldviews they hold so dear. I know I cannot change their minds, so choose instead to shut my mouth to avoid offending people I love.
but it is time to wake up- to stand up for what is right according to how I understand the world. The murder of Dr. Tiller and the things I know people at home are saying about it brings hot tears to my eyes with the bitter injustice of it all.

Thank you for this post.
Bill Beck got it right when he said "Silence is complicity". I couldn't agree more. Standing in solidarity with you COS and everyone else who showed up here to do the same.
Exactly right. Why do we have to discuss this? Why is the issue of women having the right to choose the healthcare procedure they want even an issue?

Thank you to all of you who are choosing to speak out here.
Women's bodies, like gay bodies, have been dragged through the courts long enough. I cannot believe, well I can actually, that this inhumane point of view still roils on. Excellent post, Coyote.
On another post you spout about most abortions being for social reasons. Really, you think that the world is full of heartless women who toss away their children because they don't want to get fat or lose their career? Really?
JK Brady

Spout?? I just posted the facts. Like I said I am in favor of a woman's choice. But facts don't lie.
June 01, 2009 10:21 AM
Murder is murder. This is true. Back in the day, before I left the church, I was trying to logic the pro-life thing. It didn't make sense to me how one could be pro-life, but support the death penalty, or the health issues for women. Mind you, not all "pro-lifers" support the death penalty. I came to pro-choice when I realized how very life-and-death pregnancy can be for a woman (I'm a late bloomer).

I guess, given my background, I just want to say this: even at the height of my conservative, fundamental belief, I would never have condoned or thought it right to murder a doctor who performed abortions - even late-term abortions. Most of the people I knew who were part of the church were appalled and grieved by such acts. I need to stop there, for now.

Rated, and well-spoken, Coyote.
"Being pro-choice doesn't mean that I advocate abortion for everyone, just that I advocate safe and affordable accessibility to this medical prodecure for any woman who wants one."

Amen!

@Zuma: I hear you all the way!
Oh, good, someone wrote the kind of thing I wanted to write. I didn't end up writing anything, just staring at a blank buffer with the title “Outrage” at the top of the screen. I did poke about and research it a little and found this entry at Daily Kos which offered some detail about the man who was killed, and what a loss it was. It personalizes the story a bit. That's the big thing that burns me about the pro-Life movement—how impersonal it is. Just the opposite of what it purports to be.
Thank you for this.
I am saddened profoundly by this murder...in a church, and in my beloved state....in the city where I came of age....
As you say, Coyote. I continue to be angry and put out by the way we progressives pander to the terminology constraints put on us by the intolerant group. Oh, wait, FLW just said that...drat...still, great post.
I wholeheartedly agree. I am pro-choice. I do not advocate abortion. I pray my daughter never seeks one. I count my self lucky to have been born in the time of birth control. Would I accompany a friend, a relative if they so desired? Yes. Do I believe life begins at conception? Yes. But, I believe women should have the right to their bodies, their lives, their decisions. If there were no evil in this world and all babies would come into it wanted and loved, abortion would not even be a word, an act, a necessity. But, this is not the case.
I am just so fucking sad.

I thought it couldn't get worse.

I was wrong.

I lived in NY when the Buffalo murder took place - couldn't beLieve it. Still can't. I guess I need to get my head out of my ass and get righteous myself. I've assumed for too long that the right - my right - will prevail. We've been backpedaling evolutionarily for decades. How can this happen?

I am just so fucking sad.
Let me get this straight in my head.. They are against killing babies BUT.. they aren't against killing adults, a kind of retro-active abortion?

So what is next? Let's kill child molesters because it is the only good way to get them to stop doing what they do.. Or, just kill because the other person doesn't go to your church or believe as you do?

What the hell has gone wrong with the people in this country? It seems it is full of dysfunctional shit heads.
The hypocrisy of "Pro-lifers" who would kill because they are against killing is unfathomable. But the fact is there are many people out there who would love to commit murder (as grim as that is, of course it's true) and only want a reason to make it legitimate in their eyes. There are people like them supporting (almost) every cause and when you give them access to a gun, they just can't wait to use it.
Outrage is where my emotions begin.

Perhaps it's time for the 154,158,280 women and girls in the United States to march on Washington.
I'm in. I'll march. Just donated over at fingerslakes' blog. We must stand up.

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as noted on others' posts, here's a must-read - one of Many - first-person account of necessity for late-term abortion:

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2004/01/25/my_late_term_abortion/
it's time to stop allowing the anti-women movement to define the terms of debate, pro-life is Newspeak and we should never use the term, they are anti-choice, anti-women, anti-science, anti-humanist, anti-reason, but never "pro-life"
I've updated this post to include a link to the National Network of Abortion Funds who have set up the George Tiller Memorial Abortion Fund. Please show your support and tell the anti-choice factions that we will no longer lie down in the face of terrorism.
Standing with you, wide awake.
I am terrified of crowds and I would march.
You are so right, COS. Bill O'reilly has gone crazy over this. I haven't got up to speed on it yet, but I will.
I hate the way we are labeled "Pro-Abortion". Nothing could be further from the truth. I don't know anyone that is pro-abortion. It is a heart wrenching decision to have to make.
The other thing is that many of those who rail about the evils of abortion have had abortions themselves. It the do as I say, not as I do mentality that is so infuriating.
These same people have no problem with poor people dying from lack of health care because they can't afford outrageously priced health insurance. I could go on, but I know you get it and you have every right to be enraged after hearing this news.
Sad how some set them selves up as judges of others in any case. Romans 2:1You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? Yes times are bad this was written a long time ago yes it bears forth truth even today. Shame on those who judge others and even more so those who take a life. Another truth from the bible "thou shalt not KILL."
Melody
30-some years ago I wrote my Masters thesis on Freedom of Choice from a Constitutional perspective.
One of the quotes from one of the philosophers I researched goes like this: "Our freedom extends to the limits of our alternatives and no further."
Those who would restrict everyone's alternatives for the sake of their own prejudices and point of view would rob us of our freedom, for where does it end?
With justice defined as "protecting the interest of the weaker", the so-called pro-lifer would presume to protect fetal rights at the peril of both the health and liberty of the mother. Is this right? In a world where this question is unanswerable, the right of the mother to control her body and reproduction has been considered primary.
The court protected this freedom of the mother because it was not possible to present a compelling case otherwise which was consistent with the "establishment clause" of the 1st Amendment.

Much has been made of this recently in the news and in OS. I find it a bit interesting that this discussion is now gathering further momentum in light of Judge Sotomayor's nomination and of Dr. Tiller's assasination.

Those who would murder to force their own viewpoint down our throats are (with apologies to the sensitivities of some who may find this to be hyperbole) little better than Jihadist suicide bombers. Extremism is not a justification for this type of act. That it was a targeted assasination seems to make it even more heinous.

Keep exploring the issues. Keep exploring your heart and mind and soul. For this issue, regretably is not going away.
Coyote, I stand with you and all women here on this issue. I will happily march, raise hell, or anything else for that matter. If we just sit on our hands and do nothing then these idiots win defacto and will force their religious beliefs right into our bodies and souls. I do remember the first time I heard of a doctor who performed abortions being shot and killed, btw,it was in Toronto, Canada in 1989. A doctor got shot in his home right thru his patio door.
These times are very sad for me. They should be sad for us all.
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Thank you to each and every one of you who chose to come here today, to read my post and/or rate and/or comment on it. Only by standing together in solidarity, unafraid and unbowed, will we defeat the terrorists who seek to control our hearts, minds and bodies.

I stand in solidarity with all of you.
As I just said to Lorraine, I really can't form the words to describe my pain. Some things are just so wrong that words can't cover them.

My prayers are lifted for the doctor, his family and his congregation.

Monte