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I am the author of "Send In the Clown Car: The Road to the White House 2012," currently available on Amazon and CreateSpace. I'm currently semi-retired after 23 years in a corporate environment. My motto: The conventional wisdom has too much convention, not enough wisdom. Corollary: Even Einstein was wrong sometimes, and you're not Einstein.

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JANUARY 11, 2011 11:42AM

The Internet: Unindicted Co-conspirator?

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“I said to a guy, ‘Tell me, what is it about cocaine that makes it so wonderful,’ and he said, ‘Because it intensifies your personality.’ I said, ‘Yes, but what if you're an asshole?’"                    

           - From Bill Cosby: Himself

    

Replace the word “cocaine” with “the Internet” and it’s still true.

    

We all know the wonders of the Internet – rapid access to all of the world’s information at your fingertips, the ability to post your writing, video or music for others to see, instantaneous communication with your loved ones, networking with strangers hundreds or thousands of miles away.  It allows you to bond with people who share your political views, your health problems, your sports fandom, your cultural tastes or your personal obsessions.

     

However, the Internet can also be very isolating for the very same reasons.  When you are bonding with people who share your opinions or interests, you can safely shun those who have distinctly different views.

    

The result is that leftists hang out at left-leaning websites, while right-wingers hang out at right-leaning sites.  We only seek out the information that reinforces our existing opinions, making them more rigid.

    

In his book, Going to Extremes, Cass Sunstein, a Harvard law professor who is now head of President Obama’s Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, wrote about the phenomenon of “group polarization.” In an experiment, he asked participants to write down their views on several political issues, and then divided them in like-minded groups for discussion.  The result was that each group’s view hardened and became more dogmatic.

    

I’m as guilty as anyone.  The news-oriented websites I have bookmarked feature mostly a left-leaning agenda - Salon, Slate, Huffington Post, The Nation.  Since I no longer work in an office with a diverse cross-section of views, I have also limited my exposure to real people with opposing views, making it easier for me to see my side as the Enlightened Ones and the other side as the Delusional Ones.  I am aware of this and I am uncomfortable with it.  I have actively tried to avoid writing that preaches to the choir – there seems little point to me reading, or writing, another “Sarah Palin is an idiot” post.  Reading it won’t change my view; writing it won’t change anyone else’s.

     

This weekend, there were many posts on OS about the Arizona shooting.  While it’s safe to say that my views correspond with those expressed in posts by Greg Correll and Dr. Spudman, who put much of the onus on the rhetoric of the right, I was happy to see posts by others, like Stellaa and Oryoki Bowl, which questioned our rush to judgment.  I think it is healthy when a group’s orthodoxy is challenged by one of its own.  I hope that conservative websites are also going through some orthodoxy challenging this week.  Frankly, I wouldn’t know because, in the spirit of group polarization, I avoid their sites. 

     

I’m not sure how this applies to Jared Loughner.  We do not know which websites he frequented.  I have no idea if he was a regular at rabidly anti-government sites.  I just know that, if he sought them, there were plenty out there to intensify his extremist views and reassure him that Congressional representatives like Gabrielle Giffords were indeed a danger to his freedom.

     

However, I am haunted by the image of Loughner, as described by his neighbors, walking his dog while plugged into his iPod.  It is a fairly common image, of course, but in light of what happened this weekend, it is also the image of a young man who has shut out all of the noises and voices that exist outside his own head.  But doesn’t that describe most of us?

     

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What you say is wise, but much of the world is not wise. That is the problem.
My internet went down for almost two hours yesterday. I have a business and write. I freaked and wondered what I would have done years ago. Our progressions have created addictions. Somer take those on way too far.
rated with hugs
Here's to the spirit of group polarization!

How could anyone deny at least some culpability on the part of Palin? Just my thoughts CC. One thing for sure, that "incident" sure has us all thinking. Disgusted, but thinking.
Will we ever shed our tribal mentality?
Im in my internet bubble here. I love it most of the time. I think it enhances life and we better get used to it as technology is here to stay.....until the electricity goes out.
It's been opined that admission to addiction is the first step towards remediation and recovery. ;)
I would say that you are enlightened, except for your view of football teams. Thoughtful programs like Agronsky and Company were replaced with TV food fights like Crossfire and the McLaughlin group.

We should spend more time talking to others face to face then spending time in front of a screen.
More and more, Cranky, I'm afraid it does. I'd love to linger and discuss this further, but I must be off to choir practice. We're learning a new song about Rush Rumpchasm.
I happen to believe there is truth in the adage "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." It is important to know what those we perceive as opp0nents are thinking, saying and doing in order to constantly reassess our own positions. But, man, I found it hard to listen to people who are saying things that sound critical to me and my beliefs. It upsets me and makes me feel defensive.

Although I make a concerted effort to stay tuned into the opposition in spite of my 'druthers, I still find it hard to listen with an objective ear. Humans seem always to be trying to sort ourselves out into groups that are homogeneous on at least some level.

Lezlie
Amen, Brother

There is much to be gained from talking and finding out how people with other views form their opinions. This is how we learn.

The current fashion of substituting name-calling for debate makes that tougher, but it's still possible.

One so-called "news source" assures us that Liberals are idiots, another that Conservatives are idiots. Some websites assure us that moderates are idiots.

Bad news indeed. Based on these sources,there appears to be about three hundred million idiots aimlessly wandering somewhere between Canada and Mexico.
@Bonnie... get off your NRA high horse. Eliminate the evil NRA today, and not a damn thing will change. The guns are already out there for ANYONE and EVERYONE who desire one. There could be a national ban on everything from assault weapons to bb guns and still EVERYONE and ANYONE that wanted one would have one. This is not an issue that can be dealt with by legislation or by drowning Charleton Heston's heirs. How's that war on drugs working out for ya in Del Mar?
People are just beginning to wake up to what you have so adeptly expressed here. Let us hope that the wave will spread before the lessons become so harsh as to be irreversible. Great insight and perspective, Cranky.......
Are you sleeping with Emily?
@Trig: Um, no, but we did go on a double-date with Tink and Michael Humphrey.
I also only read the liberal blogs, papers, etc., except I'm surrounded by conservatives. Even my own son believed the crap spewed by Fox, Rush and others. I don't try and change minds, it's impossible. I just write what I please and keep on keeping on.
Even during George Washington's presidency, polarization and political vitriol were rampant between the Federalists and the Republicans. Their versions of the Internet were gazettes which carried the same kind of extreme political nastiness and calls to arms, usually written under pen names. And the primary differences between these two political philosophies was big government versus small government. It all started then. Not much has changed.
A rich meditation on what I think some psychologists refer to as confirmation bias. It's a scary thought, Cranky, that we're developing such a "shutting out" mentality, that our sense of thwe world and ourselves is so rigid that we feel anxious, maybe even threatened, by another angle of vision that might disrupt our carefully constructed order of things.
Another Steve S said - "three hundred million idiots aimlessly wandering somewhere between Canada and Mexico..." Well, haha, sometimes that's the way it looks from here in Canada...can't speak for the Mexicans...
Is it also for pleasure seeking such as being a clickoris?
Although I have a legitimate need for it for my business, I am aware that it is community as well as isolating.
And, mush of this is the fault of all of you here at salon.
Do you people realize that it's all your fault that I am sometimes late for something or don't go somewhere where I should be?
Weaseled my way out of any personal responsibility there, didn't I.
Very well-put. Especially the ending.
I guess I go against the grain because I call OS my home. I am, by nature, a conservative yet this Liberal site is home for my writings. I find it sad how Liberals and Conservatives are scrambling to blame each other for the actions of this madman. I saw a headline on a conservative blog: "Leftist Nutbag Kills Federal Judge."

No matter what happens, both sides will go to their graves pointing fingers at one another and that is so very sad. A Democratic Congresswoman and a Federal judge who was appointed by Bush One were both victims of the same killer and even more devastating a little nine year old girl.

Maybe it's time we all disconnected and treat ourselves to a large dose of real life and real connections with real people around us.
I'd like to rate Blumenthal's comment.
The Internet assures that there will never be a revolt of the masses. Once the Tea Party types and the Boomers who have experienced taking it to the streets have died off, the next generation won't be bothered to get of their chairs. Which may be a good thing....you can't shoot somebody via the Internet, and yet there are so many other evils things that can be done just sitting in ....front....of....the....computer....for....hours......even when you carry a laptop - I recently noticed that during a recent noisy conversation between two people, all the young people never looked up from their computers --their hands just knew where the coffee was... Let's invent coffee hats, like the beer hats.....
Oh Cranky you have addressed a favorite subject of mine (and cited one of my fav books from last year as well ("Going to Extremes"). The Internet is democratic but it's also a perfect storm of "garbage in; garbage out" and I can't imagine how that can be controlled only, perhaps, understood. The New York Times' Fabrice Fabricant suggested two years ago that schools begin to add courses in information literacy, which is really another way of saying "teach critical thinking," which is little in evidence these days. R
The Internet paradoxically makes a melting pot while simultaneously dividing us. It has simulated the typical grade-school co-ed dance scenario: the boys are pressed against the opposite wall of the girls. Except, replace the gender with isms. What a potentially lethal stew.
Thoughtfully written post, Cranky. You express your views very clearly. I would like to learn to write (and speak) more clearly and lot more succinctly in expressing complex ideas.

Well done! R
Actually, we do know what websites he was one, basically.

Myspace and Youtube.. I know, sites that shouldn't be visited by anyone!!!!!!!

"The result is that leftists hang out at left-leaning websites, while right-wingers hang out at right-leaning sites. We only seek out the information that reinforces our existing opinions, making them more rigid."

And they both come together on Open.Salon!! That should be like our official motto!! :D

Great piece my friend. I rated it and flagged it cause well, you mentioned Stellaa and everyone knows, she's a Thought Criminal and therefore, you must be too, just by mentioning her!!

Don't cry. It all gets better at the end of the movie!! Teeheehee!! :D
Oh, love the quote by the way! Very astute.
Good argument CC, but I think that "replaceable word " could have been something else 100 years ago, and be something else in the next decade. It's the human nature that's the constant, and unless that can be trained or changed, life will play same in various scenarios.
Fantastic commentary, my friend.
Yes, that certainly describes most of us here, and me to a 'T'.
"We do not know which websites he frequented. "

So why don't we just shut them all down? After all, in the wise words of Robert Brady, "better to be safe than sorry."

I totally disagree with your premise about likes hanging with, and being reinforced by likes. For example, the arguments advanced by most contributors to this left wing website confirm my conservative views much more than anything I read on right wing ones.
How about you are trying to defend that which can not be defended?

Some want to ban guns. Some want to limit speech on the internet and the airwaves. Of course Palin is the anti-Christ and she is to blame for everything.

How about we just blame the guy who pulled the trigger? Trig, you know a lot about Palin and you write about it. Have you shot anyone today? Why not? Maybe you are not crazy. Scanner, your own son listens to Fox and Rush. Do you have to lock your bedroom door at night so you can sleep? I read left and right websites. I must be bi-political, but I've never shot anyone or even run somebody off the road in a fit of road rage.

When I hear a noise in the room I don't think to look for an elephant. I look to see which cat jumped onto the kitchen table. How about we quit over thinking this tragic event and blame it on the person who did it. A young man who appears to have a mental disorder.
Here, here, catnlion. At last a voice of reason. I also admire your gift for understatement, as evidenced by your final sentence.
I've thought about this a hell of a lot and you expressed it so very well. Part of me yearns for the days of the rotary phone, three channels, no internet. I believe I was much happier then. Great post.
Gordon,

I'm not a doctor, but I did play one as a kid.

Today I was delivering newspaper inserts in Providence, RI. Since I was going to have to wait to get unloaded the person working the dock offered me a newspaper to read.

I love reading the newspaper, but I haven't seen one in awhile. While I've heard this story on the radio, I haven't seen a TV since it broke. When I first saw the shaved head picture on the front of the NY Daily News all I could think to myself is OMG!
Mixed feeling here Cranky re the zoned out iPod life. It seems awfully confining and it's hard to see how you find out about much of the world that way. But, I remember a tale of woe about our generation written in the 70s by Allen Bloom. Rock 'n roll was destroying our minds. Throughout history the older generations have despaired about the young. So I'm a little cautious about picking up that refrain.

On not mixing with one's political opposites; well, I did that for years while employed by the big multinational. Political talk there was off-limits, unless it was bemoaning the unreasonable tax rates facing big corporations.

And don't families still serve for political mixing? I have a cuz who loves guns, a cuz-in-law who thinks all governments are useless and corrupt, and a bro who believes that the growing divide between rich and poor is because of overpaid government workers and their rich pensions. That's mixing enough for me.
I'm a liberal who speaks to conservatives every once in a while here but more so in my life off the internet because I've lived in some conservative places. I don't avoid speaking to conservatives. Once in a while I get a point across - there have been a couple of cases (not online) where I got people who didn't previously think so to understand and accept that homosexuality is not a choice. (I know this, paradoxically, because I'm not, and I didn't choose to be heterosexual, a point I make because I don't only advocate for my own.) On the other hand, I have a much better understanding of why people can buy guns at gun shows without background checks, something I used to condemn without having a handle on how that happened, as a direct result of conversations with Token here on OS. I also have a far better understanding of why he and others like him think that guns can at times prevent crimes, and the reasons are far less off base than I previously assumed before I really talked to someone on the other side of the issue. However, that's how dialogue works: If you want the ability to change minds you have to accept the risk that your own may change.

I'm cool with that. I want to persuade and, by and large, that means giving up the tendency to rant. For reasons I don't understand, I'm the only person I see advocating civility for tactical reasons as opposed to strictly for moral reasons. Incivility works great at energizing the base but is completely counterproductive once you leave the choir.
@kosh: You said it better than I could. Sometimes I like to shout and call names. But if you want to change someone's mind, shouting and name-calling is the least productive things you can do.
Nope, can't blame the Internet, mullets, or caterpillars. Nor does the devil make anyone do anything, human beings are perfectly capable in and of themselves of all manner of both wonderful, thoughtful, and conversely cruelly insane acts.
Sad but true!
Thoughtful post Cranky. Well said. I agree with FusunA's comment wholeheartedly. And having been addicted to cocaine before there was an Internet; I am living without cocaine, but still crave it, and I wonder how we ever lived without the Internet, the thought of going without it sends me into spasms of anxiety and fear of withdrawal.
The polarization factor of the internet is a good point, but before the internet, the same nuts would have still had talk radio or obscurely published tracts. We can look at all the usual suspects and talk about right wing rhetoric, but ultimately the contribution of all of that is minimal at best. Guns -- especially the kind that can kill a lot of people very quickly, ammo -- in fast loading clips, and easy access to said guns and ammo make this kind of inevitable. Also a lousy mental health system.
"The news-oriented websites I have bookmarked feature mostly a left-leaning agenda - Salon, Slate, Huffington Post, The Nation. "

Excuse me while I both snort and smile. I have a quick cure for U.S. writers who think - due to corporate mindwashing - that they are 'left'. I'm afraid 'left behind' would resonate with me much better.

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