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I am the author of "Send In the Clown Car: The Road to the White House 2012," currently available on Amazon and CreateSpace. I'm currently semi-retired after 23 years in a corporate environment. My motto: The conventional wisdom has too much convention, not enough wisdom. Corollary: Even Einstein was wrong sometimes, and you're not Einstein.

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MAY 6, 2011 4:47PM

When We Make Killing Tasteful

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I’m of two minds about the issue of releasing the Osama bin Laden death photos. Certainly I have no desire to see them myself; hell, I can’t even sit through an R-rated horror film.  Since al-Qaeda has already admitted bin Laden’s death, there is nothing to be gained by releasing them.

     

But we don’t release information because there is something to be gained. We release information because it is information. I admit to wariness whenever a government suppresses information.  Sometimes it has good reason, which is why I never joined in the huzzahs for Julian Assange.  Diplomats are allowed to conduct negotiations in secret. The military must squelch information that may jeopardize the safety of its troops, which is why many details of the bin Laden mission will rightfully remain secret. Gory photos of American battlefield corpses should be suppressed to spare the sensitivities of the soldiers’ families.

    

I sense, however, that the argument against releasing the bin Laden photos might not be about potential retaliation by al-Qaeda and its supporters; I suspect the idea that the photos will increase anger that is already there is overblown.  It is about our own squeamishness.  We have succeeded as a nation, in recent decades, in removing the blood from bloodshed in our minds and making war an abstraction, and these graphic photos may puncture that balloon.

    

One reason opposition to the war in Vietnam spread so fast in Middle America is that the draft made us confront whether that conflict was worth the risk of losing our sons and brothers.  Many quickly came to the conclusion that it wasn’t. It was a decision that affected, and often divided, many families in all walks of American life. Pressure on the government to bring home the troops was loud and persistent.

   

We face no such decisions about our interventions in the Middle East.  Because of the all-volunteer military forces, many of us, including me, have little or no ties to anyone serving there. Since the government has not asked us to make any sacrifices, our weeks are pretty much the same whether we are at war or not, and we go about our business as if the war wasn’t happening.  We – I – may oppose the Iraq War on intellectual grounds, but because I am not invested in it personally, I don’t take to the streets in opposition, and consequently the Administration is under little pressure to bring the troops home more quickly.

    

Now we try to make war even softer by removing as many rough edges from horror as possible. Since 9/11, for example, news media have generally declined to show photos or footage of people plummeting from the Twin Towers because that’s considered too graphic and upsetting (though curiously photos of the towers in flame or footage of the planes hitting the towers are apparently not). I wonder if doing so has softened, even in a tiny way, our memory of that day.  I am no fan of Rudy Giuliani, but I applaud him for insisting, when participating in a HBO 9/11 documentary In Memoriam, that the film include such images.  He thought it was counterproductive to soft-pedal the horror.

    

We have even made authorized killing tasteful.  While I’m vehemently opposed to the death penalty, I’m bewildered at how we’ve removed the blood from that too.  Supporters of capital punishment insist it is a deterrent, despite statistics that demonstrate that it isn’t.  But how could it be a deterrent if we hide the procedure behind closed doors and make it as pleasant as receiving an IV in a hospital bed?  The thought of standing before a firing squad or on a gallows with a rope around my neck makes my knees knock with dread, but there are gloomy days when the thought of lying on a gurney with a needle slowly putting me to sleep makes me think, “Dude, sign me up!” We still want to kill; we just don’t want to feel so bad about it.

   

The Obama Administration may well be justified in considering the photos unduly provocative. Since they’ve seen the photos and I haven’t, there may well be content in them that would cause problems. The world will not be a worse place if the photos never see the light of day.

    

I’m concerned, however, that if we don’t confront ourselves, at least occasionally, with the reality of what violence looks like, it makes us more likely to shrug our collective shoulders at the next violent confrontation.  Yes, we may be people of more refined sensitivities than our forefathers, yet our violence is much more deadly and pervasive.  Seeing the reality of bloodshed makes it harder for us to give it our tacit approval next time. Squeamishness makes us more likely, not less, to plunge into war without asking the hard questions first.

 

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Yep, show the masses the faces of death so they will not be so hasty in wanting to celebrate it, no matter what the circumstances!!!

Rated.

I still want my goddamn unicorn and rainbows!! PFFFFT!!!

~wanders off into the thorn bushes~
Very provocative. Not sure I agree with you about showing the photo but absolutely agree with you about our being desensitized to spilled blood
Nana had a great blog the other night. It showed it like it is.
I think sometimes we need to see it to understand.
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What a provocative
Sorry about that....I mean to say this is about the most provocative writing on the subject I have yet to see. I abhor violence and detest the death penalty and yet in this instance I am unsure. Even after reading your post, I still don't know how I feel but I appreciate what you say. rated
Good reflections here, Crank. On top of the sanitizing of real images we have the cartoon caricatures of bloody violence in movies and video games. And it's OK because it's only zombies being blown to pieces. Zombies aren't real people, so, even if they look like people, it's OK to do what we will with them. The answers aren't easy, but reflecting about values is essential.
We didn't collectively make the decision to execute bin Laden, so why should we see the photos? Let the ones who made the decision live with it. And all the blood guts in those photos.
One of the puzzles in all this is that every night on TV we can tune into a "procedural", featuring very graphic depictions of corpses (we don't even have to go to a horror flick). I've often wondered about the careful detailed work that goes into those depictions - I would think a lot of the budget goes into that, which is usually on the screen a fairly short time, than the rest of the screen time.

Yet real horror must not be shown.
Wonder if this young man was inspired by the Navy Seals:

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Welcome back Li!! How was Paris? Did you bring me anything back from your trip?

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I liked that the release of the images was carefully considered for a few days, then followed up with Obama's explanation about his decision. Not a football spike, no need to trot out a trophy, he said. That's how I feel too. It's a somber thing.

You can never un-see an image. Two images I wish I'd never seen were an autopsy photo of JFK's head, sent in an email with no warning, and the images of Saddam having his mouth searched after his capture. Gruesome images do not change hearts and minds. If anything, easy availability of these images might make us numb and possibly more aggressive. Internet sites showing images of extreme violence were frequently visited by the shooters at Columbine and VA Tech. Folks who are eager to view Osama Bin Laden minus much of his face concern me. I'm glad that in this case at least, they will not be served.
First of all I will try to be brief so as not to take up a lot of space here. Personally I could care less whether they show the pics or not, I have seen much worse in real life than a shot of a man with half his head blown off. He's dead and Al-Queada even admits it.

As for the celebrating done by Americans upon his death, well I have come to suspect that a lot of the cheering is from folks who secretly are relieved that the dirty work is done and they didn't have to get their hands dirty in the process. In fact, I think there is a bit of that attitude present whenever you have folks praising their soldiers and sailors: "Love the job you're doing and I'm glad I don't have to do it." So I tend to overlook a lot of celebrating, whatever the reason.
As for the argument that we should not show the pictures because we might make the enemy angerier at us, well to that I say: Bullshit,
We are at war with them, they can't get much madder at us than they already are and if they do....well screw em all but six and save them for pallbearers. That's what happens in war...people stay mad at each other.
God, Cranky there is so much more I want to say but I have already done what I didn't want to do....take up too much space in your comment section. Forgive me.
Superb post, Crankster. I really hope you will continue to weigh in on these types of things. How provocative can a photograph be? The man in dead, and as far as I know, there are no degrees of deadness. He either is dead or he's not. My sixth sense is telling me something about this decision is malodorous.

Lezlie
Where would we show the photo? On the front page of a newspaper? On TV? Does it bother anyone that such places are seen frequently by children? I'm not interested in giving kids nightmares to satisfy curiosity.

I don't want to see the photo, not because I didn't want it done but because I think it would be gratuitous.

It's not our enemies we're trying to avoid offending, it's Muslims who aren't our enemies. By showing respect for them in our handling of this, we're letting them know that this is not about Islam as far as we're concerned. Given how many people are claiming that this is about Islam, it's a critical message.
By the way, seriously good post.
Let history be the judge.

Well Osama is history now, so why not judge now.

Here's my take on it:

Let's ignore the skeptics and say that Osama WAS the mastermind of 9/11. He did not represent any nation, but a ragtag band of militants.

A decade later he is assasinated. Good.

Two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, thousands of Americans dead, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis and Afghans dead, hundreds of Pakistanis dead ( from drone attacks); billions of American taxpayers money gone, and anti-American sentiment higher than ever before.

All of this to get one man?

Is there any accountability in this world?
Rated for wisdom and thoughtfulness.
I respectfully submit another point of view Cranky. You say yourself you are not interested in seeing the photos. I think that's true of most of us who have sensibilities consistent with the majority in the 19th century when public execution was no longer the consensus, and that's basically what is in question.

Why should our elected officials have to pander to the element in our population who still demand physical proof of retribution? It was necessary to protect ourselves but nothing to be proud off. My suspicion is that at the time "we" made the transition to a more civil society this was exactly the discussion. What good does it serve?

At that time, it was led by the "men of god," but not any more. There has been an abberation--a depravity that has clearly taken hold. Those who once spoke for the civilizing effect of religion and faith are now more likely (not always, some faiths have remained true to the code) to want to see "the bodies" of the executed offenders.

If we are in fact a society where it is no longer necessary to prove the cost of "trespassing," isn't that also what we should be demonstrating to the rest of the world? Otherwise, how are we any better than them?

I have a sneaking intuition Obama actually knows this as he is a man of sensibility himself. His predecessor was not and proved it. This is a distinction for greater than what health care plan is chosen in my view.

The ultimate question here is what constitutes a civil society rather than one where vengeance and brutality are the accepted norms. There was supposedly to a "new testament" that is the basis for our cultural morals--or am I assuming too much?
Very thoughtful, and provoking no crystal clear-cut opinion from me. I admire Obama for taking the high road in all things this week, this being one of them. I don't think this is the same thing as sanitizing death, or the war, like Bush did with not allowing media to cover the return of bodies. I think there were many nuanced reasons for this decision, and whatever they were, I agree. Why? Because I trust the person who made them. (r)
It reminds me of what Gandhi said when they asked him what he thought of Western civilization. "It's a good idea. Too bad it doesn't work," the Mahatma replied.
@Ben Sen: I'm actually a bit annoyed by the blurb on the OS front page, because it oversimplifies what I was saying. I wasn't really arguing directly for the release of the photos, a subject about which I lean toward agnosticism. I was arguing that our squeamishness about the details of battle makes it more likely that we will turn a blind eye to truth.

Also, as a person who enthusiastically supported the mission to take out Osama, I think it's very fair to show me the pictures and say, "This is what you supported. Does it turn your stomach or can you live with it?" Because if it does turn my stomach, it might give me pause the next time the nation is in this situation.
I think they would be inflammatory...I agree that being exposed is probably a good thing, but I can just look at Nanatehay's blog!!
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Thoughtful article Cranky, but I'm not persuaded. With the Internet and YouTube, we're already bombarded with images. It's not so hard to imagine what a shot up bin Laden would look like and there's already at least one replica photo making the rounds. I just don't see the real thing has influencing public opinion against future wars. But I can imagine some extremist clerics using the image to foment fanaticism.

Re Vietnam, in addition to the draft, the fact that it was the first TV war also helped turn public opinion. Reporters and cameramen weren't so tightly controlled and the news shots and clips of bloodied combatants shocked many. I suspect we're more inured now.
"Squeamishness makes us more likely, not less, to plunge into war without asking the hard questions first."
this is a very strange sentence summarizing your POV. squeamishness is what causes people to avoid looking at death and the reality of war. therefore in a way, squeamishness perpetuates war. we should replace any squeamishness with revulsion. revulsion is an appropriate response to war. war has been Sanitized For Your Protection. but that is also the Big Lie
I think the obama administration made a big mistake in even *admitting* that there were photos.
War is for other people. Not us.

Volunteers. No pics of bodies - theirs or ours.

No real independent media. All in=bedded "journalists" regurgitating the daily line.
No war tax. No draft.
Makes for never ending war.

Nice post/R
True to a point, but would you then parade Osama's head around Manhattan?
I agree that we have been desensitized. It was Television news cameras filming hosing the children during the civil rights movement that turned decent people's stomachs and persuaded the Kennedy administration to finally act.

But I applaud decency too. Images of Bin Laden's dead body would go viral. I want us to be better than that.
@Abrawang: You make a good point and I wish I had mentioned it. Back in the pre-cable 1960s, we were pretty much forced to see the war footage on the 7:00 news. But now with 500 channels, all with their own demographic, it's pretty easy to avoid it.

BTW, despite with the blurb on the front page says, I wasn't advocating the release of the photos.
Cranky,

While I appreciate the sentiment, something else has convinced me that, potentially, your thesis is drastically flawed.

It is not the government that censors, per se. Journalists can embed with us, or (and this is significant) they can choose not to. Now admittedly, during most of the period '03-'09, that wasn't an option in Iraq, and here in Afghanistan it has recently (in the past year) become, as a practical matter, impractical. But the rule about not photographing or displaying American dead, or dead of any stripe, is not a USG call. It's an editorial decision by corporate entities according to their read of the free market.

What makes me worry, or actually, just saddens me, is the realization that it doesn't really matter. There are plenty of images out there, and people will, and do, look at them in the vastness of the non-market-driven internet. Which brings me back to the original point.

The USG's explanation of why they're not releasing seems valid. But what I fear is not the day that a different decision is made on that point. What I fear is the day that the market-driven news and entertainment industry decide that actual, real, war, sells.

Then they will show us fighting, and dying. And I fear, not because it will erode American support, or make us more warlike. I fear because for the overwhelming majority, it will turn an obscenity, war, into the merely mundane.

BF
If you think the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are about terror you've been deluded.

Quite a few people never want to see what actually is necessary for them to have a hamburger or a pork chop. War is a kind of game with scorekeepers and cheerleaders and on that end, it's great fun. Who wants to look at screaming hysterical mothers and children and bloody flying pieces of people? It's all bravery and flags and not men going slowly mad doing what they are told to do and some even getting a great kick over doing what they would be sent away for life imprisonment in civilian life.
Thoughtful post, Cranks. I do think it's funny that, as Myriad says, TV (and movies) are full of blood, but not the news. Course, we know that the shows are shows. I certainly can't buy the argument that showing it would add to terrorists' anger or determination, but do agree that showing it would seem like tasteless gloating. No need for that. And Abrawang said what I was going to say about 'Nam.
I don't see what positive good it'd do; the world accepts this overwhelmingly. I don't know what public policy end this would serve.
I agree with Rudy Guiliani as well. And as far as releasing the photo? Last time I checked Obama is not a dictator, he is a public servant. If Americans want to see the photo, he doesn't get to tell us no like we are naughty children. Last time I checked we were a representative republic. The photos will be released.
Not sure releasing photos is a matter of democracy, Deb. To me, it's more a matter of imitating our enemies by showing in detail the death we caused.

"He doesn't get to tell us no like we are naughty children" He does get to make a decision as Commander-in-Chief, though. and if his advisers suggest it's not a good idea, I tend to agree.

While this may have been a necessary military action, I don't need the United States government to publish pictures, terrorist-style, of our deeds. What's next, firing rifles into the air at public gatherings? No thanks.
Never mind about the picture of Osama they should release full detailed information about the enormous amount of "Collateral Damage" done to millions around the world including those that have lost economic opportunities and been driven into poverty here in the US.
I have some reservations about the killing - it was intended to happen when the helos left the ground, so why pretend otherwise. Micheal Moore had some good points to make about this. Frankly, I would have liked to have seen a firing squad or an old fashioned public hanging in order to give the world something fair and decent to observe, over the slaughter of an unarmed man, with only his family to observe. I'm not arguing against the death penalty - far from it - I just wish it had been a public execution.
Haven't we already seen the ugly face of death enough on our fallen soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan ? We also saw Saddam's hanging.. not enough?. Osama's pictures will fulfil nothing but a sick desire for voyaurism. The enemy is killed and disposed of, leave it at that and move on. His bloody photos aren't gonna sensitize us as a nation to pain, hunger and misery in the world!
Jeffrey Dahmer thought murder was very tasteful. Delectable indeed..
Not sure how I feel. This is certainly a great discussion, though. If they were released, though, I think the media would certainly take the ball and run and figure out some monetary or ratings gain.
Jon, your comment implies that you missed one of my points, which is that we don't release information simply because it serves some public policy end, we release it simply because it is information, and should not be withheld by the government unless there is a compelling reason not to. There may be a compelling reason here, but the question of whether it serves public policy is irrelevant. If we let that be the criteria for government release of information, we are asking for a heap of trouble.

It is easier to tacitly approve war and to close our eyes to violence when we never have to face the consequences of it.

Honestly, I'm bothered more by the release of the bin Laden home videos, which certainly serves no purpose whatsoever. The death photos, grisly or not, are directly related to American actions and are newsworthy. The home videos simply appeal to prurient interests and should be airing on TMZ. They seem to be closer to what President Obama called "spiking the football."
We have all tacitly agreed to murdering those we deem inhuman. We decry senseless killing, and then justify sensible killing. Humans murder, so it is part of human nature that we prefer to glorify with ideals and totems and rituals. It's fascinating it happened during a week of the royal wedding, another ancient dynastic ritual of the right of supremacy, while we saw idiots refuse common sense in favor of uninformed opinion about the legitimacy of our president. Perhaps the birthers will think the assassination is now illegitimate because ordered by an invalid leader. At this point, Osama was mostly a symbolic figure head, and our bloodthirst is slaked for a moment. I suspect the reluctance to show the photos is to not put ourselves at the same level of butchery that we claim of our enemies.
I'm just happy to know that we did kill this murderer and enemy combatant who was an anti-Semitic monster who would have been happy to destroy every non-Muslim in the world (and many good Muslims too) if he could.

I live in a city that has been hit more than once by such killers and I celebrate the good (no matter how imperfectly so) killing the evil.

But I enjoy reading "the other side" and have added you as a favorite.
For the United States to exalt itself as having clean hands after a long and viciously bloody history of installing and supporting totalitarian monsters in many countries for many decades, after the long years of tsunamis of the splashing blood of innocents in the Middle East, after the pursuit of iron economic dominance of its controlling corporations no matter the horror and miseries necessary and the poisons resulting that pollute the land, the skies, the seas, after neglecting the basic needs of its own population to enrich what can only be describes as a financial Mafia can only evoke the blackest screams of high pitched laughter that curdle the very atmosphere and crush the very bones of decency and morality.
I'm of two minds about this Cranky. I with you, I'm not sure sanitizing does anything for us, other than make us think war is a black and white news report. It is not.

(Full disclosure here--I don't watch horror movies, I don't play violent video games, and I take spiders outside.)

But along with bin Laden, I think we should all collectively have to look at photos of all the war dead. Their soldiers, our soldiers, and all the "collateral damage"--the women, the children, the grandpas, the grandmas, the unlucky slobs who were standing in the wrong place at the wrong time. The stacks and stacks of unlucky humanity, stacked like Auschwitz. Maybe I'm going too far here, but how else can we really see what our money is funding? Yours, mine, theirs, all of it. Is this really the world we want to live in? Was there really no other alternative? Really?

Maybe this is going down too gruesome of a path.

Maybe not.

Somehow, we need to view that virtual stack of dead people. Really see them, and ask ourselves why.
Cranky,

I hate to disagree with you, again, on your own wall, twice on one posting...but there ya go.

I *do* see, from my purely utilitarian point of view, the benefit of releasing Bin Ladin's bloopers outtakes film, as well as his "home videos." But here's why...I'm thinking about the effects here, and next door, and in a lot of other places around the world. They were not released for the US. They were released to and for the world.

For starters, it will help tamp down the conspiracy theory angle ("He's not dead!" or "He's been dead since 2002, on ice", etc). If we have released those videos, it's just one more element that is very difficult to refute. And we can't prove we have those videos, to some minds, until they're released.

But from a broader perspective, the videos do something that Osama himself sought to avoid. They humanize him. Not for us, but for the people who were half-way to elevating him to demi-god status. And Obama was very specific, and very particular, about image. As much as any Hollywood star, if in a different manner. That image was, and has been for more than 10 years, very useful. I'm not saying that he was as good at selling his brand of islam/jihad as George Clooney is at selling overpriced Italian coffee, but the method and means has been much the same. And for the same reasons that it would be tougher for Clooney to get a movie if people saw his home videos of him, wrapped in a shawl, clicking the tv with the remote control to watch himself...so too does OBL's iconography/branding take a hit.

Which is why I'm not for releasing the gross-out video, but all for anything that embarrasses or degrades his iconic self-created image.

BF
"after the long years of tsunamis of the splashing blood of innocents in the Middle East"

Well said Jan. You certainly have a way with words.
No photo of the death of Bin Laden, it does not matter if you show such gruesome photo of Laden or not, there's going to be someone that will say "It's not him," by showing photos of this type will not cause those that hasten to war to slow to a trot, there is no good reason for showing the photo of Laden demise. Period.
whatever your squeamishness, it's either all or nothing. if someone is a censor, they will shape the world to their liking.

diplomats don't need secrecy, unless they are getting ready to screw someone. the families of dead soldiers should welcome pictures of what happened to their loved ones, it might make others think twice before entering the war machine.

this was about the best end that bin laden could hope for, and better than rotting in a iron mask in some secret prison.

as for trusting in the government of the usa to manage information for the benefit of the people, sleep well!

the important point is: it doesn't matter what you think. the political guild will do as it pleases, and tell you what it wants you to know. americans like to pretend they are citizens, but they are not. they are just free range sheep, sheared every year, counted at two year intervals, and discarded when no longer wanted.

you can change the faces of your masters, but you can't change their policies.
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If you find "evil" too likely to come from the Republican Crazy Train, there is still the Active Terrorist Leader Exemption. I did not want to use the word "genius"; Let's just say that OBL was talented in his field. We all agree he's dead.
I believe he spent a lot of time planning for this outcome: Could there be some object included in any photo that would serve as a signal? Or, as our own crazies say, a "sign from the afterlife"? I did not use the word "exception" because we're talking about our social obligations, not his.