All right, here's the deal. I 'm paid to point things out that others haven't noticed. Not all the under-examined concepts that fizz out of my contrary-cracked mind prove right or even sane! But I am pretty good at showing that this or that twist should at least be put on the table, and dismissed properly. And so, I'm going to toss something out there. It is far from the most preposterous alternative I've come up with. In fact, this idea should work! Even though it hasn't a prayer of being tried.
Let the Taliban take over Kandahar and parts of Pashtunistan.
Yes, it sounds terrible. Defeatist. Humiliating. Sending exactly the wrong message to our Pakistani quasi-allies and giving the jihadists reason to cheer...
Or would it? Think. When did we do our very best against the Taliban?
During the initial post-9/11 intervention, when they had something to lose. Something that could easily be taken from them. Guerillas are at their best sneaking around in barely more than the clothes on their backs, sniping in target-rich environments. They know that they are absolutely terrible at holding onto discrete, well-defined territory, let alone governing it. Not against a coalition of modern powers.
Now combine this with the following news article from McClatchy (10/16/09): The U.S. military can send only about 30,000 more troops to Afghanistan in the next three months without putting excessive strains on the Army and Marine Corps , but the top Afghanistan commander has said he needs more than twice that number to have the best chance of success, military and administration officials told McClatchy.
Put aside for now the near-treason of a previous administration that left our military in such a state. (When Bill Clinton left office after a fantastically successful Balkans Intervention, every single US brigade was rated "fully combat ready." When Bush left office, NONE were rated even close to fully combat ready.) The significant point here is that we simply haven't the resources to simply "police-down" a wild-ass insurgency in every valley of Afghanistan, also known as "the place that empires go, to die."
So let's try a little thought experiment. Suppose we talked Karzai into "ordering" US and NATO forces out of some well-defined area called Pashtunistan. The Pashtuns are the principal tribe causing trouble in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. A high fraction are fanatically conservative, the ones who want their women wrapped up in burkhas and who banned both music and kite-flying. Suppose Karzai said "I've struck a deal -- limited autonomy for the Taliban in this region, if they'll agree to pull out everywhere else."
Of course the Taliban will agree... and of course they'll intend, first chance, to stab Karzai in the back and resume their campaign. That's given. Only think:
1) During the two month transition, you'll see transfers of population. Fanatics hurrying to Kandahar and moderates moving out. Especially any woman with any sense of pride or self-preservation. Drawing fanatics away from the rest of Afghanistan and Pakistan and concentrating them in a place that finds itself almost without women? Um... what's not to like?
2) The new Pashtunistan will happen to have boundaries that allied forces can seal, at least somewhat. It is arguable that less heroin will escape that way, than currently does, through today's widely-cast net. In any event, trade will be at the mercy of the surrounders, not the surrounded. Moreover, as part of the deal, the radicals will have to first turn over strong points and passes to the Pakistani Army.
3) This turns the civil war into a tribal one. It should cause support for the government to rise everywhere outside Pashtunistan, as Uzbeks and Tajiks and others remember what life was like, before 2002. Especially as Kandahar devolves back into incompetent rule, poverty and sheer nastiness.
(Let the Taliban cry out for donations and help from radicalists in Al Qaeda and the Arab world. Let those funds flow. It won't be enough. Nothing can be enough. Those sources will dry up.)
4) War will resume. It is inevitable. Jihadists cannot grasp satiability. They'll start attacking, again. And, when they do, we can simply take it all away from them again, in a matter of days, fighting on our terms, not theirs, to be greeted as liberators, even by the Pashtuns of Kandahar. Oh, in trying to defend fixed positions, Taliban troops will be at their most vulnerable.
Sure, it's a bit cynical, manipulative and callous... almost like the way the British behaved, during their imperial era. The fig leaf of Karzai ordering this would be essential. But really, when all is said, where are the failure modes? For example, suppose the new Pashtunistan government surprised us by showing competence, skill and restraint, separating from Afghanistan and joining the community of nations. Even if they are hostile to us, tell me how that would be worse than the present situation? In fact, the more they have to lose, the more likely they will fear a repeat of 2002.
Oh, and then there's this. A Taliban entity, sitting once more on the border of Iran? Let the mullahs sweat that out.
All right, this doesn't fit into tidy left-right boxes. Anyway, I despise that metaphor. We need to be idealists, but pragmatic ones who are capable of jiu jitsu, when it seems called for. And, when it comes to Afghanistan, jiu jitsu is always called for.


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Nice.
The Bushites' approach in Iraq was, in contrast, was pure SUMO.
My suggestion is about side-stepping what's expected. In judo, the enemy pushes and expects resistance, so you let him push on empty air. This suggestion was about stepping aside and letting him have Kandahar -- and thus stumbling. Thus, any lack of recognition of similarity to jiu jitsu simply reflects upon you lack of correlative imagination. (The analogy was likewise perfect, in my suggestion about health care reform. The suggestion may not be! But the analogy was! ;-))
Getting out is a proposal worth pondering. After all, Afgh IS where empires go to die. OTOH, this is where we were attacked-from and -- well -- dang, the women of that country deserve hope.
Rated.
We should chat about my idea of invading Mexico. First, it would eliminate that nasty "border" problem. And with some Eisenhower-esque highway building, a few thousand Wal-Marts and water corralling, we could Happily expand our domain, exploit - I mean, access and develop their/our resources, and create a big happy-happy!
Next, few Pashtun fanatics who have houses, property, or some kind of job, however meager or inadequate these may be, are going to give up what they have to rush to Pushtunistan, a place not known for good jobs or housing.
So, when the everyone else wants to escape, there will be no convenient empty houses and job vacancies for them. They will be destitute refugees.
Heroin will still flow -- the problem is corruption and geography. Opium poppies are one of the few profitable crops in Afghanistan. And how many poorly paid (or even well-paid for their position) Pakistani soldiers will resist a month's salary let trucks bound for the decadent West to pass. How many Afghanis and Pakistanis want to protect Russia and Europe from a drug plague?
And of course, other people have dreamed that the US army would be welcomed as liberators. Look how that turned out.
To sum up, nice idea, but it won't work.
But remember what happened when Korea and Vietnam were partitioned. The question is, would Afghanistan go the way of Vietnam and become another Nike shoe factory, or would it go the way of Korea. God (and Allah) knows, we don't want the Taliban getting their hands on Pakistani nukes.
But no matter what's proposed, the real problem is you can't devise a rational solution when dealing with irrational people. And they don't come any more irrational or contradictory than fools using cell phones and digital video to demand a return to the Seventh Century. And how about AK-47's and IED's -- shouldn't these guys use only swords?
Frankly, the Taliban aren't the only nut cases on the planet. I've never heard a Fundie offer a satisfactory explanation for how they reconcile their backward views with the modern world. That goes for the Amish -- why stop at the 1800's -- why not go back to the time of Christ or Moses? Ditto for the End-time Christian fundies -- why don't they go back and domesticate those dinosaurs their ancestors used to cohabit with?
One thing sure -- they're all living refutation of Intelligent Design -- if they're made in their Creator's image, he/she was none too intelligent.
my question still is, wtf are we there for anyway man?? its all just a total farce.
Certainly none of the other alternatives sound all that great.
I'll repeat myself: don't those clowns in charge ever read history? Lazarus Long ("We don't learn from history without falling flat on our chins") was right.
The US in Afghanistan reminds me of Kipling's short story "The Man Who Would Be King", also set in Afghanistan, about Western would-be rulers who thought they knew everything when in fact they understood nothing.
Zhu Bajie, Viet Nam vet, alive in the bitter sea
Brin, probably they hope you and the other foreigners will go away, leave them alone. Really, where does this idea come from, that the US is improving the lot of women in Afghanistan? If we could solve our own problems, MAYBE foreigners would imitate us, or some things we do. But invading? Bombing? There's nothing improving about shrapnel and napalm or foreign soldiers looting and raping and killing.
Take a good look at the countries the US has given full make over to, Haiti and Philippines. Look at all half-American children begotten by US soldiers and sailors in the Philippines. Look at how oligarchic those countries are and how impoverished the ordinary person is. That's the sort of "progress" Afghans have to look forward to if the US "wins."
* http://political_progress_for_people.blogspot.com/2009/10/who-gets-it.html
1) [Guerillas] know that they are absolutely terrible at holding onto discrete, well-defined territory, let alone governing it.
First of all, the Taliban were not always Guerillas. They used to be human beings. No, I’m kidding. They controlled and governed Afghanistan from 96-01, quite effectively too, ending the long civil war that had started after the Soviets withdrew.
2) Suppose we talked Karzai into "ordering" US and NATO forces out of some well-defined area called Pashtunistan.
Karzai is not likely to agree to this as he is a typical Afghan, hard-headed and very proud, not to mention Pashtun. No chance in hell (except maybe under threat of assassination) would he accept the partitioning of his own country, let alone the part that is his political base and homeland.
3) The Pashtuns are the principal tribe causing trouble in both Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Pashtuns are not a tribe but an ethnic group.
4) A high fraction are fanatically conservative, the ones who want their women wrapped up in burkhas and who banned both music and kite-flying.
False. 86% of Afghans support the presence of US troops, another 8% are unsure. Only 6% support the Taliban, according to a statistical survey done by a Western group.
5) During the two month transition, you'll see transfers of population. Fanatics hurrying to Kandahar and moderates moving out.
I’m not sure about this one but I think most people will move out. You would essentially create a situation like the splitting of East and West Germany, with just about everyone wanting to get out of East Germany.
6) The new Pashtunistan will happen to have boundaries that allied forces can seal, at least somewhat.
The Durrand line, which separates Afghanistan from Pakistan, alone is about 1600 miles. Add another 1600 plus another 300 for good measure and you’re talking a border of 3500 miles. That’s longer than the entire breadth of America and almost twice as long as the US Mexican border, spanning much tougher terrain. No way you can guard it.
Having said all that, partitioning Afghanistan and creating an independent Pashtunistan, governed by the Taliban and internationally recognized is not all together a bad bargaining chip to bring to the table to get the Taliban to cease hostilities. However, it would set a precedent, not necessarily bad. After all, the Taliban of today are tomorrow’s George Washingtons.