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David Brin
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David Brin’s novels have been translated into more than twenty languages, including New York Times Best-sellers that won Hugo, Nebula and other awards. His 1989 ecological thriller, Earth, foreshadowed cyberwarfare the World Wide Web,global warming and Gulf Coast flooding. ........ A 1998 Kevin Costner film was loosely adapted from his Campbell prizewinner - The Postman. Kiln People portrays technology letting people be in two places at once. "Foundation's Triumph" brought a grand finale to Isaac Asimov's famed Foundation Universe. Brin's groundbreaking hardcover graphic novel "The Life Eaters" was an international sensation. .......... David Brin is also a noted scientist, futurist and speaker who appears frequently on television ("Life After People," "The Universe," "the Architechs"), discussing trends in the near and far future, with subjects as diverse as surveillance technology, astronomy, SETI, nanotechnology and national defense. His non-fiction book -- "The Transparent Society: Will Technology Make Us Choose Between Freedom and Privacy?" -- deals with issues of openness, security and liberty in the new wired-age. It won the 2000 Freedom of Speech Award of the American Library Association and a prize from the McGannon Foundation for public service in communications. .......... Main web site: http://www.davidbrin.com .......... Alternate blog: http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/ ........... Speaking/consulting: http://www.davidbrin.com/speaker.html

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Salon.com
OCTOBER 19, 2009 7:44PM

Surrogates -- substituting for good story

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Okay, time for a commentary that many of you have been waiting for -- my thoughts about the recent Bruce Willis movie, Surrogates.

 I've been (as you might expect) getting a lot of mail about it, so let's start with some facts.  The film is based upon a comic book by Robert Venditti that appeared some years after my novel KILN PEOPLE. 

Also worth noting, for purposes of a timeline, is the screenplay for KILN PEOPLE that was created by the great scriptor Leslie Dixon (Overboard, Mrs.Doubtfire, Pay it Forward). It circulated some years ago at Paramount Studios and far beyond, so clearly a priority sequence was well-known, by those interested in the basic idea.

But are the stories really similar?  Let's see

A detective sends a technologically-made duplicate of himself into a world where everybody makes copies in order to deal with the world risk-free.  The detective's duplicate seeks the inventor of this technology, who has become dangerously estranged from the company that he founded and who plots its downfall.

Along the way, there occurs a rare case of actual murder.  Meanwhile, in one of the zones where only real humans are allowed, fanatics rail that all this copying-addiction undermines the human soul... an so on....

Check, check check...  Ah, well, they say that Hollywood only steals if they respect you.  Sigh.

All of that might be expected to stir fumes at the back of my neck.  But I went to see the movie with an open mind, willing to give it a chance, in hopes it would at least turn out to be a great, rip-snorting sci fi adventure that (for a change) has a little originality, as well as some brains and heart. Is that really too much to ask?

At first sight, one of the similarities between KILN PEOPLE and Surrogates is something that I approve-of at a philosophical level... both stories give the "new thing" to the People -- to everybody -- and follow how this changes society.

Few sci fi films do that.  Generally, the "new thing" is hoarded in secret or monopolized by the mighty, giving you a simple - if dumb - hero vs oppressive authority plot.  Okay, so let's give Surrogates two points for breaking from that cliche.  Well, that cliche.

 Of course, whenever the People do adopt something new, wholesale, that generally leads to another hackneyed theme.  But, hold that thought.

Alas, to save money, Jonathan Mostow, the director of Surrogates chose to eliminate all futuristic aspects.  Hence, we have mind projection and puppet automatons... and everything else is left exactly as today.  Hey, I understand budget concerns.  But there are lots of cool things -- directly related to copying -- that would have cost next-to-nothing to portray...

...or, at least, he might have entertainingly (as I do) show some of the range of things that people would use copies for!  How about gladiatorial matches in souped-up bodies!  Hyper-X-sports in which no one comes back "alive"! Historical battle re-enactments, with real bullets! Expeditions to other planets, where the surrogate travels cheaply, without life-support, then wakens and lets an astronaut -- or paying customers -- take that "first step for mankind." 

The possibilities are endless, as I show in KILN PEOPLE.  But, as we'll see, this movie is not about people using self-duplication to expand the realm of the possible.

(We did catch a glimpse of some military applications.  But even that was stunningly unimaginative.  What, no soldiers manifesting as cheetahs or ogres or dragons?  Two legs are soooo slow.)

As for the vast range of ways that regular folks would use their surrogates... other than for playing at being sexy... or the opposite sex...?  Nah.  All people use this technological breakthrough  for is to look good.

Seriously, that's pretty much it. Looking good.  Period.  In fact, that self-indulgent sin propels the entire personal side of the plot.  Um... snore.

(My wife suggested an alternative that might have driven everybody to keep their human bodies indoors.  What if the air had become toxic?  One also wonders what would happen to human reproduction rates in a world where all sex is via machinery....  But, as we'll see, any probing of the details would interfere in the main purpose of Surrogates -- which is to preach a very black and white, Crichtonian morality play.)

Look, there were moments in the film that seemed marginally clever.  Some cool effects.  Even a crackle or two of snappy dialogue. Go see it, sure.

 And yet, in this, just about the only adventure/scifi film in years to NOT be based upon the sequel of a comicbook sequel, we still see both director and studio choosing to go with the knee-jerk, go-to lesson of every tiresomely cliched Hollywood flick...

... always boiling down to Michael Crichton's preachy but classic message -- "there are things mankind should never do." Pushing the ultimately poisonous line that we should always fear and loathe technology. 

That is the core message nowadays, no?  Change is always, always, always, always bad.  A lesson preached by privileged, comfortable, tech-empowered elites who have benefited fantastically from change.  Women and men who would likely screech in agony if they had to live the way any of their ancestors did, during any of the 20,000 generations of previous human existence.

Think about it. Do these Hollywood studio folks -- most of them devout Democrats -- ever wonder why our civilization is turning anti-science and giving itself over to superstition?  They wring their hands over a rising age of culture war and lost-confidence, while they are churning out relentless propaganda preaching the same tedious message -- that progress is hopeless and technology only menacing. And that the default moral and wise choice should always be Just Say No To Change.

Even worse, nearly every product they put out proclaims that the People are always stupid.

Some democrats.

Alas, in fact, that final, noxious  cliche seems to be the utter heart and core of Surrogates. The tired-old lesson that you cannot trust the masses with a burnt match, let alone the Next Thing.

In this film, absolutely everybody -- except for a few abstemious fanatics -- falls for the addictive trap of copying insatiably, neglecting their real bodies and real lives, transferring their sense of self entirely into machine versions and neglecting the flesh upon which life depends.  

Oh, sure, some people would do that, in much the same way that some now abuse alcohol.  And dealing with the fallout from this minority's stupidity might make an interesting plot.  But here's the key point. All  known addictions d not ensnare the majority -- folks who resist temptation use good judgment, exercise moderation, and manage to lead balanced, wholesome lives, despite being offered a New Thing.

But in the world of Surrogates, it is all or nothing. There are only teetotaling prude-fanatics or several billion rolling drunks.  Absolutely everybody who uses the New Thing stupidly abuses it, and so must be saved from temptation by an act of overwhelmingly self-righteous and simplistic prudity.

Here is where, fundamentally and morally, this film breaks with me and my own, earlier, take on the question: "what if we could all make copies of ourselves?"  In fact, both the film Surrogates and graphic novel seem bent on directly refuting and rejecting the premise of KILN PEOPLE... that human civilization sometimes picks up new tools, overcomes some mistakes and faces interesting problems, learns to deal with them, and moves on.   

Given Hollywood's slavish devotion to cliche -- and to portraying their fellow citizens as mindless sheep -- is it any wonder the producers chose Venditti's approach over mine?  (And let there be no mistake; Leslie Dixon is important and powerful enough in Hollywood that her KILN PEOPLE script was read by some of the people in the decision chain, who chose the cliched approach, instead of one that might head in bold directions.)

But soft, let's step back and finish on a charitable note.  For, to reiterate, at least Surrogates is one of the only non-sequel films that's come out in a long time, based upon something that most viewers haven't seen before.  Everyone involved deserves some credit for that, despite the malignant deeper message.  

(And, of course, its box office fizzle will teach the wrong lesson; don't ever try to be original, ever again!)

As for the "steal" aspects... ah well, it's not the first time, and it won't be the last time that I'll write missives like this one. It's a town where everybody can shout the word "coincidence" before they can say "Mama."  

Anyway, what can I do?  Just hope that people will spread internet buzz and say "Hey!  Go to Kiln People for the original concept, done a whole lot better, by the original author."  And, maybe, quality will endure a bit better than cliches.

Good stuff does have one advantage over bad.  It stands up better, with time.

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DB, an an educator, I think that society and popular culture are turning anti-science because of a combination of factors: a lesser willingness to make the effort to concentrate and master difficult subjects..as a physicist you must have observed this with students over the past 20 years..the dumbing down of the mean...combined with too many distractions, the cynical stimulation of knee jerk reactions by a manipulative media culture and ethos, the cumulative effects of pollutants in the environment which may be adversely affecting the raw intelligence potential and more importantly, the emotional stability of neo nates and children, a social environment that is fragmented and accelerated due to globalization and tech advancements, etc. and the perverse counter-productive effects of information tech which reinforces a scattered, more superficial processing of knowledge...maybe...not proven, but indicated anecdotally. Not everyone succumbs to these pernicious effects of course...but there is a tidal trend in that direction. I know this contradicts your cherished thesis that the next generation of children can become empowered super beings of sorts...now THAT is pure SF, I think.
In my experience, kids are brighter than ever. It shows up in too many ways to count. My son finished TWO years of AP calculus in high school BEFORE his senior year. In my day, one year was enough to get into Caltech.

Moreover, he and his peers are so vastly NICER than my generation was, that it seems a different species. Not only was I in violent fights with other boys, almost monthly, during childhood, but bullying was very vicious then, and then, as either hippies OR as Reaganites, most of us boomers turned into ultimate self-righteousness addicts.

No, it doesn't wash. Sure, vedeo games are a culling-addiction that are doing great harm. I can get grouchy with the best of them.

But those who LEAP to grouchiness cannot see other trends. It is crippling.
Believe me I am happy to hear of every success story. But just keep in mind the old adage that with every doubling of informatics capacity there is a concomitant slicing and dicing of the time available for quiet concentration, and meditation, and reflection for the human mind to gain some genuine understanding of the patterns and underlying structures and interconnections in these masses of stimuli. We shall see...
now now, there's a reason hollywood democrats aren't in d.c.

but actually, you bring something up that often concerns me about many democrats. they are kind of faithless about democracy and liberty, and this manifests as cynicism for the abilities of "the masses". but i think it's nihilism rather than due to their politics. i noted this recently when i read a post here about the inexorable slide into violent dumbness which got an entire congregation amening. it's worrisome.
Caracalla, see my Google Tech Talk, in which I clearly had too much caffeine(!) offering a big perspective about problem-solving and "discourse" in the modern age: http://tinyurl.com/yy7yxm
The accompanying slides are at: http://www.slideshare.net/davidbrin/

Main point: EVERY major advance in memory or vision augmentation, since glass lenses, has led to grouchy forecasts like the one you just posted. Things are actually complicated. See where I show how complex at:
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2008/12/23/david_brin_google/index.html

Bstrangley, everybody is tempted by elitism. Dems have it too. The diff is that they are manic to try to solve problems, while republicans are depressive and prefer grouchy nostalgia. It is NOT about "left-right" since manic dems have ALSO been responsible for most of the successful DE-regulations of government and most of the golden ages of small business creation in America.

No, it is about personality and which KIND of mental illness drives each group.

In our current era, with so much that needs doing, I'll take the manic problem-solvers, even if half of their solutions seem nuts. Because at least you can negotiate with them and subject their plans to scientific critique.

But the current insanity of the right admits to no possibility of negotiation or pliability by science, reason, patriotism or objective reality.
But don't you think DB that this know-nothing, aggressive ignorance of the populist leaders of the Right...that they have adopted this attitude, and have a significant following..among anti-evolutionists, anti climate and earth science followers, etc., precisely because this mass of people has been so information overloaded, and sensorily stressed, that they over compensate by shutting down their rational faculties? and if this trend persists it will come into conflict with the stellar performers of the New Generation that you are creating. There will be an even greater Grand Canyon divide between the superlatively educated and the non-educated. I'm really not being a doom sayer. To remedy this situation I would support forced re-education...not Stalinist or Vietnamese Communist style, but in a liberal arts setting... made mandatory for a lot of public. business, and media leaders. Let them maintain their conservative positions...but they must support them in an extended literate, and historically, and social science oriented, factual way...let's force clear thinking upon everyone!
It seems like many people in Hollywood have adopted a ‘sci-fi is enough!’ attitude to film making these days. They come up with a clever idea (or borrow someone’s clever idea, as the case may be), and convince themselves that it’s enough to build a movie around. My experience is that uninteresting characters doing uninteresting things never make for a good film, no matter how many robots are involved. I haven’t spent more than five minutes thinking about this movie since I saw it. Maybe if I’d felt connected to the characters I would have been more interested in exploring the metaphor. The furthest I got was wondering why no one’s robot was turquoise.
This is one of those things that drives me insane. A great concept is out there, fully fleshed out and really explored (KILN PEOPLE), then some hack comes along, ripps it off and murders it with stupidity or worse yet crushes it down into a lousy psychodrama leaving the science and every bit of exploration steaming on the operating room floor.
Just like the bastards that took Cyclops out of THE POSTMAN. Sorry, had to say it.
Rated.
I think that Frankenstein is at fault - Frankenstein and the atom bomb. For many in Hollywood, these represent science gone amok, and scientists who create/invent with no regard for the consequences. So - not knowing any actual scientists - they go with these two examples for their model of how science works.

Plus, Michael Crichton didn't help. In his old age he did a lot to hurt science with his blanket condemnation of climate change.

I remember a line in last night's Flash Forward. In response to a question the FBI agent/star replied that he hadn't asked a scientist then went on to offer his opinion as an answer. I wanted to yell, "Why not, damnit?" Why can't a government agent consult a scientist about a science question?
David, while I wholeheartedly agree with your criticism of the popular anti-scientific propaganda promoted by the faux practitioners, I am more concerned about the apparent absence of meaningful debate WITHIN the scientific community itself.

In the mainstream media I do not see even trivialized, watered-down traces of learned discussions and have a suspicion that this is not entirely the journalists' fault. Besides the feeble global warming agenda there has been hardly anything else I recall, and if scientists leave their responsibilities at the laboratory exit then who is there to mind the store? Politicians? Traditionalists? Business profiteers? Motivational speakers? Soothsayers?

I would like to hope that conscientious scientists did not die out thirty or fifty years ago with the Leo Szilards here and Andrey Sakharovs there, so any useful pointer you may provide to real current debates would be much appreciated.

If they don't exists in big enough numbers then Hollywood may well be right: people are, in fact, stupid...