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David Brin

David Brin
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http://www.davidbrin.com David Brin’s novels have been translated into more than twenty languages, including New York Times Best-sellers that won Hugo and Nebula awards. His 1989 ecological thriller, Earth, foreshadowed cyberwarfare, the World Wide Web, global warming and Gulf Coast flooding. A 1998 Kevin Costner film was loosely adapted from his post-apocalyptic novel, The Postman. ............................................ Brin is a noted scientist, futurist and speaker who appears frequently on television (Life After People, The Universe), discussing trends in the near and far future, on subjects such as surveillance, technology, astronomy, and SETI. His non-fiction book, The Transparent Society, deals with issues of openness and security in the wired-age. ............................................. David Brin web site: http://www.davidbrin.com http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/DavidBrin Facbook: http://www.facebook.com/pages/David-Brin/22358129265

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APRIL 30, 2010 1:27AM

Here comes the debate over the other kind of aliens...

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Alert!  There's a 60% chance I will be on LARRY KING LIVE (CNN) Friday at 9 ET (6 PT) in a rushed-together debate about “aliens” with Seth Shostak of the SETI Institute and the actor Dan Aykroyd....

 ...all in response to a flurry of interest that’s been stirred by Stephen Hawking's new Discovery Channel show.  Specifically, his lead-in episode about extraterrestrials, wherein he recommended against our calling attention to ourselves. (He made it look pretty dire!)

This happened in a sudden whirl. Larry King's people contacted me just hours ago and I must rush to a studio on my way to the airport, before flying right off to keynote an investor conference in Las Vegas, talking about "our economic future." (Yes, I get spread thinner, by the day.)

Okay, I’ll offer a hurried little riff here, about Hawking and aliens, with added contributions by and about Paul Davies, Robin Hanson and others. (Please excuse the first draft quality and lack of participation in the comments section.)

In his show (a while before he rooted for my alma mater, Caltech, to “win the Superbowl”), Professor Hawking said that aliens are almost certainly out there and that Earthlings had better beware. Instead of seeking them out, humanity should be doing all it that can to avoid any contact. His simple reasoning? All living creatures inherently use resources to the limits of their ability, inventing new aims, desires and ambitions to suit their next level of power. If they wanted to use our solar system, for some super project, our complaints would be like an ant colony protesting the laying of a parking lot.

Want an irony?  I am actually a moderate on this issue (as I am regarding Transparency).  My top aim, in these recent arguments, has been pretty basic; I want more discussion. And for arrogant fools to stop blaring into space “on our behalf” without at least offering the rest of us the courtesy of first openly consulting top people in history, biology, anthropology - and guys like Hawking - in an honest and eclectic way.  Their refusal to do this constitutes just about the most conceited and indefensible behavior by scientists that I have ever seen.

Now, everybody and his cousin appears to have an opinion about aliens. In fact, I know almost nobody who seems willing to wait and entertain a wide variety of hypotheses, in this “field without a subject matter.”  It seems that the very lack of data makes people more sure of their imagined scenario, rather than less. And more convinced that those who disagree are dunderheads.

Renowned science philosopher Paul Davies has weighed in with a new book, The Eerie Silence, which seems a bit of a take off my own classic “The Great Silence” paper -- (still the only overall review-survey that has ever attempted to cover more than 100+ hypotheses that are out there, to explain our loneliness in the universe.)  Alas, Paul seems never to have heard of that paper, or most of the hypotheses in question -- he cites me only as a grouch toward METI (“message to ET.”)  And, while I have long admired Paul’s work and consider him to be quite amazing, I feel he got a bit lazy with this one.

Space Law scholar Nicholas Szabo is much harsher on him than I am, I’m afraid:

“Paul Davies’s arguments are pretty lame, and possibly quite disturbing; for example saying:  "Just because we go around wiping out our competitors doesn’t mean aliens would do the same."  But that doesn't mean they wouldn't, either. The example of life on earth is all we have to go on, and life on earth is Darwinian.”
   
Szabo continues: “Davies also says: "A civilization that has endured for millions of years would have overcome any aggressive tendencies"  But I (Szabo) find that utopian nonsense. By the same reasoning humans should have "overcome any aggressive tendencies" that chimpanzees have.  Davies adds: "By comparison, humans would quite likely be considered dangerous warmongers, posing a possible menace to our galactic neighbors in centuries to come. If so, then ET may act to eliminate the threat..." 

Um, so much for their peacefulness.  George Mason University economist and philosopher Robin Hanson responds:

”Many species here on Earth have endured for millions of years while retaining “aggressive” tendencies, and even very “mildly” bellicose aliens, ones who would only exterminate us if they could make a plausible case that we might pose a future menace, should still be of great concern to us.  I sure don’t want to be exterminated “just in case.”  Wouldn’t it make more sense to shut up until either we don’t look so menacing, or until we are strong enough to defend ourselves?”  (See Robin’s extensive response.)

 Another quotation from Szabo:

“Davies continues: "...if we didn’t mend our violent ways. Ironically, the greatest danger from an alien encounter may be ourselves." In other words, ETI really does pose a threat after all, but it's our own fault, so we shouldn't (we are presumably left to conclude) try to protect ourselves from this threat beyond taking a profound moral lesson from this flight of imagination and mending our own ways. This "reasoning" from splendidly fashionable PC attitudes combined with his own imputation of human psychology to imaginary entities leads to a rather grotesquely self-loathing conclusion: Davies puts humans on trial against aliens he has conjured up from his imagination and find the humans guilty and deserving of genocide. Fortunately, we have much better reasons to try to be more peaceful than the conjectured attitudes of hypothetical ETI. A good start to achieving human peace would be to withdraw moral support from people who hate their fellow human beings.”

While I react less pungently than Szabo... and in fact see a bit of merit in Paul’s point... it remains rather tiresome for the reflex to always be to assume that aliens will automatically be more elevated than us. (Yer, willing to judge and crush us, rather than help us get better.)

In fact, out of sheer ornery contrariness and a habitual wish to avoid limits on thinking, I'm tempted to wonder if humanity may be among the MOST pleasant sapient races in the galaxy! 

Just imagine a high tech species descended from solitary stalking carnivores, like tigers, or loner infanticides, like bears, or pack carnivores, or paranoid herd herbivores, or mammoth harem-keepers like elephant seals. We come from tribes of long-lived, relatively patient and contemplative, reciprocal-grooming, gregarious apes, whose male female differences are relatively small...

...all traits that mitigate toward some degree of otherness-empathy, which may not happen very often, across the stars.  And STILL we are violent MoFo's!

Furthermore, suppose we concede the common SETI talking point that aliens “would have to have learned to avoid much war, given the destructive power of advanced weaponry.” Hm, well, maybe.  But is the only way to avoid armageddon massive racial reprogramming to pacifism?  A FAR more likely way for aliens to stop war and save themselves from self-destruction is the method implicitly commended by Jared Diamond, in his book COLLAPSE.  

Hegemony.  

The creation of a perfectly stable and perfectly repressive oligarchy that protects itself by maintaining a rigid status quo.  

And yes, that kind of stable hegemony can become internally "peaceful" as in Ming China... and more-briefly in many other human cultures.  And yet, a perfect, control-freak autarchy ain't exactly utopian by our terms, or altruistic. Moreover, it remains capable of violence, especially when it sees something outside of itself that it may not like.

Oh, but the most frustrating thing is this.  When people leap to their own “pat” explanations for the Great Silence, sighing that “of course” the answer is this and such, and then dismissing all contrary views as foolish, they are cheating themselves, and the rest of us, out of what could be the most fascinating and wondrously open-ended argument/discussion of all time! 

A marvelous set-to that juggles every science, every bit of history and biology and astronomy and... well everything!  It is the great puzzle of who we are, how we may be different, or the same as those mysterious others, out there.

THAT is what makes me sad, when nearly everybody in this field leaps so quickly -- on almost zero evidence -- to say “of course the answer is....”  I am, above all, a lover of the greatest enlightenment invention -- argument... and its accompanying virtues, curiosity, experimentation, reciprocal accountability, and even the aching joy of being forced, now and then, to admit “Okay, you got me, that time.  I may have been wrong.”

 

-------- David Brin http://www.davidbrin.com ----

 

PS... for more on METI, see my more extensive explanation of this fight over prudent caution in wagering the future of humanity. 

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I enjoyed your thoughts on this and hope they get a wider audience--including Larry King's.
It does seem that the thinking is all rather one extreme or another. they either will want to wipe us out and take whatever they want from earth or they'll be all be wanting to eat Reese's Pieces with us. The doomsayer in me tends to go with the Hawkings postulate. I haven't read Jared Diamond's book Collapse but I will. I think he is one of the most brilliant thinkers alive. Guns, Germs and Steel is a seminal work.

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Per Rod Serling, they want to "serve" man.
There is little chance that a voracious pack of space faring aliens can have missed our broadcasts of "I Love Lucy" or "Howdy Doody" which went sailing out to the ends of the universe some time ago. Hopefully they might have taken the adventures of Superman seriously enough to have at least conveyed an element of caution in their plans for so much meat on the loose.
Fantastic work, Mr. Brin, and excellent points.

It is quite obvious though, that the best strategic move we could make is to walk softly and carry a big nuclear and/or anti-matter warheaded stick.

Stay low, arm up and smile when they arrive.
All space aliens and people who look like them may now be legally stopped in Arizona and asked for identification. But not profiled. I mean, we can't stop them just because they look like space aliens, there has to be some sort of suspicious behavior. Like flying or zapping or playing weird instruments ala the bar room scene in starwars. Give Larry a kiss from all of us.
Congrats! will be looking for you ! I think our science fiction has placed us in a most interesting position. I think whatever you think and create here on earth will eventually come to pass. With all the TV shows and movies pertaining to this idea plus Look at the book Chariots of the Gods or read Zecharia Sitchin. Something is afloat.
With I Love Lucy being out there for a while, I'm sure someone out there knows where our kids go to school. And given our nature, why would any self respecting space alien want to take over a nature theme park filled with wild animals? We are like rabbits in our IQ to them.
silly peeple, U have no idea what we got in mind 4 U

peace (for the moment)

pee ess 2 ablonde, yess i do occasionally hide within the body of the Cruise
I say leave there be dragons in them dar galaxies, and let well enough alone, just listen for them, but, shhhhhhhhhhh, like the rabbit hiding from the Tiger/Klingons who want our unobtanium.
Having recently devoured your entire Uplift series, I was very curious about your opinions on this debate. (Not to mention, pretty afraid that when they do find us, they will turn out to be Republicans!) Thanks for posting.
Gorlockness! So happy to see you, where have you been? Where have you REALLY been? And thanks for finally owning up to the Tom Cruise thing.
Great essay. I tend to be of the mind that we've already had visitors, and that alien DNA is mingled with our own...
It seems like a manifestation of "the Other" complex, which is common in most humans. People imagine their worst fears, then project those fears onto a a vague, alien identity. I believe that leading theory has this developing very early in our psyche, when we're lemming-like mammals who have good reason to fear everything (especially stuff that falls from the sky and wipes out all the big beasts!).

Generally minority groups are targeted by a majority group for "Other" status. In this case we have the ultimate minority: it exists only in our imagination. Therefore we are able to foist whatever hope, fear, or other imagining we might have on this Other, without any semblance of "reality" ever crashing the party.

If we managed to achieve world peace, the very next morning all of humanity would be obsessed with Aliens who want to Eat Us, Enslave Us, Fuck Us, or simply just Destroy Us. Think, "The Monsters Are Due on Maple Street," and add a good heavy seasoning of Heinlein Spices.

By the way: Do you have a link to "The Great Silence?" That PDF that was once on the Brin-l site is a dead link now. I remember reading it in '84 at the Tech and thinking, "This guy has his hed on straight. I'll bet he reads a lot of SF." It greatly influenced my thinking on this subject, and probably turned me into a very "moderate" on this matter as you appear to be. I've even postulated that if the aliens show up and they are vicious predators, we'd make awesome allies. Every big bully Spike needs a Chester to round up the Puddy Tats.
“here is little chance that a voracious pack of space faring aliens can have missed our broadcasts of ‘I Love Lucy’ or ‘Howdy Doody’ which went sailing out to the ends of the universe some time ago.” I am given to understand that that is not the case, that our broadcasts will decay to indecipherability fairly quickly. And, with the spread of cable, we are actually becoming a quieter planet, broadcast wise.

There is almost certainly intelligent life out there. But the likelihood of technological intelligent life seems much less assured. After all, we’re the only species to attain technology (though it seems the Neanderthals might have gone in that direction, too).
Invading other galaxies and taking over other planets sounds so violent, so earthling. Maybe Hawkings is just projecting his fears of what humans would do if they had the capability.
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dude!! larry king?? live?? WHEN?!?! a little oversight there dude
hah ok I see you gave the date. so whats the deal, is there any fee for that? what if they cancel you? did you fly somewhere [ny studio?] for $100s of dollars for nothing?
I was curious about ratings. not a pretty picture. cnn bad ratings king etc