
A simple truth: Dating sucks. And dating over 50 comes with its own inestimable challenges. What used to be perky now sags. Hair grows where we don’t want it and disappears from where we do want it. If we’re lucky, we have aging parents. Some of us have children, still young or already grown. Some of us don’t. We’ve got our respective baggage full of broken hearts, unyielding habits, and not-so-unyielding expectations.
We’re all out there, trying and hoping. Because, bottom line, we don’t want to die alone. At least I don’t.
This summer I signed on to a free online site that has a decent array of educated and interesting men who suited both my fancy and my pocketbook. I’ve been on and off the scene for years. Whenever I consider trying again, I shrivel at the thought of crafting yet another peppy profile, much less plumbing through piles of “honest, independent” guys who in reality still live with their mother or their ex. Or profiles by Yankees fans. Or athletes who hike, bike, kayak, sail, jet-ski, and surf. I get tired just reading the list. Or the testosterone-laden men who say they love to kiss, cuddle, hug, make passionate love, or give full-body massages. Maybe this is a turn-on for some women. For me? Yecch.
I found a few of interest. And a few found me. The formula is basically the same. There’s the requisite initial exchange of “enjoyed your profile” and “seems like we might have a lot in common.” Then the requisite “are you an ax murderer if not let’s meet” phone call, followed by the requisite rendezvous at a mutually convenient Starbucks.
So, after the preliminaries, I ended up on three blind dates recently, all in the same week. Herewith my report:
We’re all out there, trying and hoping. Because, bottom line, we don’t want to die alone. At least I don’t.
This summer I signed on to a free online site that has a decent array of educated and interesting men who suited both my fancy and my pocketbook. I’ve been on and off the scene for years. Whenever I consider trying again, I shrivel at the thought of crafting yet another peppy profile, much less plumbing through piles of “honest, independent” guys who in reality still live with their mother or their ex. Or profiles by Yankees fans. Or athletes who hike, bike, kayak, sail, jet-ski, and surf. I get tired just reading the list. Or the testosterone-laden men who say they love to kiss, cuddle, hug, make passionate love, or give full-body massages. Maybe this is a turn-on for some women. For me? Yecch.
I found a few of interest. And a few found me. The formula is basically the same. There’s the requisite initial exchange of “enjoyed your profile” and “seems like we might have a lot in common.” Then the requisite “are you an ax murderer if not let’s meet” phone call, followed by the requisite rendezvous at a mutually convenient Starbucks.
So, after the preliminaries, I ended up on three blind dates recently, all in the same week. Herewith my report:
DATE #1: MARK, THE HAIRY POLITICO
The Basics: 58 years old, tall, long white hair tied back in a ponytail, divorced, unaffiliated religiously, master’s degree, politically active, jazz musician, intellectual. Interesting profile. Points for perfect spelling.
The Pre-Date: Pleasant email exchange. No phone—just an agreed-upon date and time. Cut to the chase, I say. 3D yields more info than any profile or phone call.
The Setting: Outdoor table at a café on a sunny Sunday morning at 11:30
The Date: He’s waiting for me. I’m prompt. We shake hands and enter the café for takeout. He orders coffee and a blueberry scone. I get raspberry herbal tea. We pay separately. We sit outside. I lead off: “So where do you play music?” His voice is uncomfortably loud, which makes me self-conscious, as a handsome African-American man at the next table reading the New York Times can probably hear every word. One subject leads to the next. It is not a chat. It is a monologue. One hour later I know about his sister’s hysterectomy, his father’s phlebitis, his lackadaisical coworkers, and his views on green living and stem-cell research. He’s barely touched his scone. He hasn’t asked one question, even in a lull I decide to impose just to see what he’ll do. I go to the bathroom. Perhaps the break will give him a chance to remember he’s on a date.
I return. His scone and coffee are gone. “So, you’re a writer,” he says. “What do you write?” I say four sentences about my memoir-in-progress of being a teenager in Germany. He says, “Oh, Germany! I traveled in Germany once . . . ” and continues with tales of Berlin and Bremerhaven. I look at my watch. “Oh! It’s 12:43,” I say. “I didn’t realize it was so late. I’ve got to get going.” Pause. “Nice to meet you, Mark.” We stand up. We shake hands. “Take care.” We part. I might as well have been a cardboard cutout.
The Outcome: Mutual silence. Fine by me.
DATE #2: TONY, THE CLOSE WALKER
The Basics: 64 (which actually turns out to be 67), 5 feet 8, Italian Catholic, balding with white hair and a beard, divorced with adult children, songwriter, semi-retired businessman, marathon runner, fun profile with cute sense of humor.
The Pre-Date: Two emails lead to a phone call. He opens with, “So tell me about yourself.” I say, “Wow. That’s a broad question. Can you be more specific?” He says, “OK, tell me about your left leg.” I do. He asks, “Tell me about the last time you had your heart broken.” Oh, come on. Can’t we talk about the weather? I tell him I’d have to know him a little more before divulging my cardiac history. We set a date to walk around a local reservoir. “That way, after 40 minutes, if we don’t like each other, we’re done, but at least we’ve gotten some exercise,” he says. Points for directness.
The Setting: Thursday morning, the reservoir, a popular place for dogs and runners
The Date: I’m on time, at the golf course parking lot, inhaling secondhand smoke from the local golfers getting ready to tee off. No sign of Tony. Ten minutes later, he pulls up in a pickup truck, beeping. He waves. I wave back. He parks. “I just left a message on your phone,” he says, as he opens his arms wide for a hello hug. I don’t know him. I don’t feel like hugging. He’s late and he’s sweaty in his tank top and shorts, but he has a bright smile. His chihuahua, Margarita, bounces beside him.
It’s a gorgeous day and, despite the awkward start, we chat easily—I’m on the inside of the path, along the fence guarding the reservoir. He is walking close enough that I occasionally feel his bristly white arm hairs brush against mine. I edge away. He moves closer. It’s subtle. I try to accept that we all have different values about personal space. He learns that I see clients with drug and alcohol problems. He tells me he’s a recovering alcoholic. He’s glad I’m not judgmental. I feel the urge to put on my therapist hat but I suppress it. I’m off duty.
We run into a mutual friend—my neighbor, who runs a doggie daycare, knows Tony and Margarita from the path. We chat. He runs into another dog-walking buddy, Monica, and her two bulldogs, Ruby and Rhinestone. We sit on a bench. Tony sits too close. Ruby pees on my leg. After the 40-minute roundtrip, Tony wants to have coffee at the golf course café. I don’t. I’m sweaty and I need to change my pants. I tell him I enjoyed the walk. He gives me a sweaty hug goodbye. I don’t like hugging strangers.
The Outcome: I drop him a “thanks, it was nice to meet you” note, because despite the close walking, the age-fudging, and the tardiness, I want to keep an open mind. He writes back ten days later and tells me to call him if I want to go out again. We’ll see.
DATE #3: JONATHAN, THE EAGER DEPRESSIVE
The Basics: 64, tall and thin, shaggy dark hair, Jewish, former software person, now does nonprofit work, into meditation and literature, eclectic musical tastes, no mention of marital status, very long profile, perhaps too long
The Pre-Date: He emails me with a list of questions plus commentary on “things I like about you” and “things I like not quite so well.” I try to lower the volume on my “eek” radar. Just get out there, Debbie. You don’t have to marry the guy. We progress to a phone call on my suggestion. He talks nonstop for a half-hour. It’s late and I’m tired. I don’t care that he doesn’t ask me anything. I want to watch the Red Sox.
Two emails later, we set a date. By now, I know about his digestive problems, his psychiatric history, and his views on religion and meditation. He knows I’m female and a writer. I’m willing to give him a chance, God knows why. Oh yeah, I don’t want to die alone.
The Setting: 10:30 a.m. Friday at a Starbucks
The Date: I’m on time, he’s late. We both get hot water for our herbal teabags that we brought from home. I do not share my digestive problems. He does. We talk about meditation—we’re both longtime practitioners. He is smart. He looks gloomy, but he says he’s happy because he’s found a solution to his lifelong depression via a new dietary regime. He tells me about his first two wives and his third wife, who died of cancer. I empathize. He talks about death. I tell him I’d prefer not to talk about death. I want to talk about life. He says death isn’t depressing. I feel depressed.
He asks me questions. I tell him about my writing workshops and singing. After 90 minutes, I say I have to leave to get ready for work. Which I do. His face changes. He grins broadly, like a little boy, and asks, “Would you like to join me in evaluating this date?” “Excuse me?” I answer. “Let’s talk about how the date went,” he replies. I suppress the urge to laugh or flee, but somehow I feel a blog coming on, so I say, “Well, I have a couple of minutes, but let’s at least go outside—it’s so nice!”
We sit on a bench. He does not sit too close. He tells me that on his first date with his third wife, she asked him to evaluate the date. He says they agreed it was a “boring date,” then talked for three hours in the rain and fell in love. I sense he wants an encore. He continues, “Now this was the best date I’ve had in a long time, because I felt comfortable with you. You were on time. You maintained eye contact. You didn’t grill me like some women do, probing for information about finances and marriage, as if they’re going down a checklist.” (I’ve heard this before from men—that women approach a date like a job interview, sizing up the guy’s qualifications according to a specific paradigm.)
“Well, I enjoyed meeting you,” I say. “You seem very nice. At this point, I’m trying to be open, go out and meet a lot of people, but I really don’t feel like evaluating something that just happened three minutes ago. I’d rather just digest the experience and be in the present.” He says he appreciates my answer. I appreciate his forthrightness. I’m so done with this. He gives me his card and asks me to be in touch. I say, “I’ll let you know how things are going.”
The Outcome: He writes a thank-you email and follow-up about how his digestion is improving. I reply, saying I don’t think it’s a good match and best of luck. He replies, saying he is disappointed but respects my choice and says my future partner is a lucky guy. I smile.
The Basics: 58 years old, tall, long white hair tied back in a ponytail, divorced, unaffiliated religiously, master’s degree, politically active, jazz musician, intellectual. Interesting profile. Points for perfect spelling.
The Pre-Date: Pleasant email exchange. No phone—just an agreed-upon date and time. Cut to the chase, I say. 3D yields more info than any profile or phone call.
The Setting: Outdoor table at a café on a sunny Sunday morning at 11:30
The Date: He’s waiting for me. I’m prompt. We shake hands and enter the café for takeout. He orders coffee and a blueberry scone. I get raspberry herbal tea. We pay separately. We sit outside. I lead off: “So where do you play music?” His voice is uncomfortably loud, which makes me self-conscious, as a handsome African-American man at the next table reading the New York Times can probably hear every word. One subject leads to the next. It is not a chat. It is a monologue. One hour later I know about his sister’s hysterectomy, his father’s phlebitis, his lackadaisical coworkers, and his views on green living and stem-cell research. He’s barely touched his scone. He hasn’t asked one question, even in a lull I decide to impose just to see what he’ll do. I go to the bathroom. Perhaps the break will give him a chance to remember he’s on a date.
I return. His scone and coffee are gone. “So, you’re a writer,” he says. “What do you write?” I say four sentences about my memoir-in-progress of being a teenager in Germany. He says, “Oh, Germany! I traveled in Germany once . . . ” and continues with tales of Berlin and Bremerhaven. I look at my watch. “Oh! It’s 12:43,” I say. “I didn’t realize it was so late. I’ve got to get going.” Pause. “Nice to meet you, Mark.” We stand up. We shake hands. “Take care.” We part. I might as well have been a cardboard cutout.
The Outcome: Mutual silence. Fine by me.
DATE #2: TONY, THE CLOSE WALKER
The Basics: 64 (which actually turns out to be 67), 5 feet 8, Italian Catholic, balding with white hair and a beard, divorced with adult children, songwriter, semi-retired businessman, marathon runner, fun profile with cute sense of humor.
The Pre-Date: Two emails lead to a phone call. He opens with, “So tell me about yourself.” I say, “Wow. That’s a broad question. Can you be more specific?” He says, “OK, tell me about your left leg.” I do. He asks, “Tell me about the last time you had your heart broken.” Oh, come on. Can’t we talk about the weather? I tell him I’d have to know him a little more before divulging my cardiac history. We set a date to walk around a local reservoir. “That way, after 40 minutes, if we don’t like each other, we’re done, but at least we’ve gotten some exercise,” he says. Points for directness.
The Setting: Thursday morning, the reservoir, a popular place for dogs and runners
The Date: I’m on time, at the golf course parking lot, inhaling secondhand smoke from the local golfers getting ready to tee off. No sign of Tony. Ten minutes later, he pulls up in a pickup truck, beeping. He waves. I wave back. He parks. “I just left a message on your phone,” he says, as he opens his arms wide for a hello hug. I don’t know him. I don’t feel like hugging. He’s late and he’s sweaty in his tank top and shorts, but he has a bright smile. His chihuahua, Margarita, bounces beside him.
It’s a gorgeous day and, despite the awkward start, we chat easily—I’m on the inside of the path, along the fence guarding the reservoir. He is walking close enough that I occasionally feel his bristly white arm hairs brush against mine. I edge away. He moves closer. It’s subtle. I try to accept that we all have different values about personal space. He learns that I see clients with drug and alcohol problems. He tells me he’s a recovering alcoholic. He’s glad I’m not judgmental. I feel the urge to put on my therapist hat but I suppress it. I’m off duty.
We run into a mutual friend—my neighbor, who runs a doggie daycare, knows Tony and Margarita from the path. We chat. He runs into another dog-walking buddy, Monica, and her two bulldogs, Ruby and Rhinestone. We sit on a bench. Tony sits too close. Ruby pees on my leg. After the 40-minute roundtrip, Tony wants to have coffee at the golf course café. I don’t. I’m sweaty and I need to change my pants. I tell him I enjoyed the walk. He gives me a sweaty hug goodbye. I don’t like hugging strangers.
The Outcome: I drop him a “thanks, it was nice to meet you” note, because despite the close walking, the age-fudging, and the tardiness, I want to keep an open mind. He writes back ten days later and tells me to call him if I want to go out again. We’ll see.
DATE #3: JONATHAN, THE EAGER DEPRESSIVE
The Basics: 64, tall and thin, shaggy dark hair, Jewish, former software person, now does nonprofit work, into meditation and literature, eclectic musical tastes, no mention of marital status, very long profile, perhaps too long
The Pre-Date: He emails me with a list of questions plus commentary on “things I like about you” and “things I like not quite so well.” I try to lower the volume on my “eek” radar. Just get out there, Debbie. You don’t have to marry the guy. We progress to a phone call on my suggestion. He talks nonstop for a half-hour. It’s late and I’m tired. I don’t care that he doesn’t ask me anything. I want to watch the Red Sox.
Two emails later, we set a date. By now, I know about his digestive problems, his psychiatric history, and his views on religion and meditation. He knows I’m female and a writer. I’m willing to give him a chance, God knows why. Oh yeah, I don’t want to die alone.
The Setting: 10:30 a.m. Friday at a Starbucks
The Date: I’m on time, he’s late. We both get hot water for our herbal teabags that we brought from home. I do not share my digestive problems. He does. We talk about meditation—we’re both longtime practitioners. He is smart. He looks gloomy, but he says he’s happy because he’s found a solution to his lifelong depression via a new dietary regime. He tells me about his first two wives and his third wife, who died of cancer. I empathize. He talks about death. I tell him I’d prefer not to talk about death. I want to talk about life. He says death isn’t depressing. I feel depressed.
He asks me questions. I tell him about my writing workshops and singing. After 90 minutes, I say I have to leave to get ready for work. Which I do. His face changes. He grins broadly, like a little boy, and asks, “Would you like to join me in evaluating this date?” “Excuse me?” I answer. “Let’s talk about how the date went,” he replies. I suppress the urge to laugh or flee, but somehow I feel a blog coming on, so I say, “Well, I have a couple of minutes, but let’s at least go outside—it’s so nice!”
We sit on a bench. He does not sit too close. He tells me that on his first date with his third wife, she asked him to evaluate the date. He says they agreed it was a “boring date,” then talked for three hours in the rain and fell in love. I sense he wants an encore. He continues, “Now this was the best date I’ve had in a long time, because I felt comfortable with you. You were on time. You maintained eye contact. You didn’t grill me like some women do, probing for information about finances and marriage, as if they’re going down a checklist.” (I’ve heard this before from men—that women approach a date like a job interview, sizing up the guy’s qualifications according to a specific paradigm.)
“Well, I enjoyed meeting you,” I say. “You seem very nice. At this point, I’m trying to be open, go out and meet a lot of people, but I really don’t feel like evaluating something that just happened three minutes ago. I’d rather just digest the experience and be in the present.” He says he appreciates my answer. I appreciate his forthrightness. I’m so done with this. He gives me his card and asks me to be in touch. I say, “I’ll let you know how things are going.”
The Outcome: He writes a thank-you email and follow-up about how his digestion is improving. I reply, saying I don’t think it’s a good match and best of luck. He replies, saying he is disappointed but respects my choice and says my future partner is a lucky guy. I smile.
Onward.
(NB: All names and some identifying information have been changed to protect the well-meaning but unfortunately incompatible.)


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I enjoyed your perspective, think I learned from it. Thanks for sharing. I think Jonathan is right - some man will be lucky to meet you. I hope it happens soon for you.
what's your favourite herbal tea?
Any meaningful relationship requires work, every day, and at 66 soon to be 67 I'm not sure I'm up for that. That being said, I'm a romantic, and if the right gal showed up???So color me ambivalent.
What I gathered from your described experiences with these 3 was a rather pathetic neediness, and self-absorption. They were looking for someone to fix them, not complete them, too bad.
Good luck in your hunting, you seem to have lots to offer to the right guy.
Great post and good luck! We all need it in love.
Mypsyche: Thanks. Glad for you that you don't have to date.
Gabby: Not sure about courage as much as, maybe, willingness? Either way, it's an adventure.
Plantlover: I'm sorry for your loss. It must be so difficult to adjust to being alone. Thanks for your good wishes -- I do think those guys were unusually needy, but I'll persist. I hope you find the right solitude-companionship balance too.
Hells Bells: Love your screen name! I'll keep y'all posted. Just glad these guys don't know my last name...
Tart: So glad you stopped by! I hope everyone checks in on your tales of woe/glory as well. Yes to Tony being a character. As it happened, I had a bad bug bite on my left leg that day, so it spurred the conversation along. :)
For internet meetings, I refer to them as "myopic dates" since we've checked each other out online a bit.
Anyway, so well-written. I could feel the angst and smell the sweat.
I dated online for about eight years. I was over 50. I finally met a guy and we have been together going on four years. We both have lots of baggage but it works. Im not lonely anymore. I have someone to die with. All the dates were worth it. If something ever happened to him Id be online again in a nanosecond even tho Im going to be 64. I love online dating. It makes so much more sense than meeting someone during life activities. That means you arent really doing the activity you are looking always looking. We met on craigslist. Local, current and direct. You just have to wade thru all the crazy young guys. I wrote my own ad and then just sat back and enjoyed the hundred or so responses. I have so much time on my hands now that I have found someone. I think you should give number three another chance. I liked him.
A couple of thoughts (having met my sweetie 10 years ago on-line) when we were in our 40s. It was difficult enough even then.
One thing strikes me right away -- you don't say if you chose these guys or they chose you. If you chose them, what did you initially find appealing about them? They all sound awful.
Two -- leave! You are clearly a kind-hearted woman but when a guy is a bore or sweaty and intrusive, just go. Make up some plausible reason you need to leave within minutes after you decide this is another time-suck. Anything would be more amusing than these old-fart narcissists.
Three -- these guys are OLD. Sorry, but they are. If you're 50, why are you dating 67 year old men? You've got options at 50 you might not have (sad but true) 5 or 10 year hence, like guys in their 40s or 50s. There are some out there who will enjoy a woman your age, not only 20 or 30 yr olds. The problem with old(er) guys is that so many of them are OLD in their thinking, behavior, looking for a Mommy. Younger men were raised by a different generation of women and think, sometimes, quite differently.
Having said that, having dated men on-line and off all 7-10 years younger, my guy is only six months younger. It took a lot of fruitless and boring and depressing looking. Sorry your search is so far not working.
find 4 or 5 women in similar circumstance, rent a big house, invite men in, one at a time, and have your way with him. then chuck him out with a return pass if he's very useful.
seriously, the time for monogamy is over, think creatively, and good luck.
find 4 or 5 women in similar circumstance, rent a big house, invite men in, one at a time, and have your way with him. then chuck him out with a return pass if he's very useful.
seriously, the time for monogamy is over, think creatively, and good luck.
I've dipped my toes...and found much the same. The athletic blurbs that are tiring just to read, the guys who talk-talk-talk about themselves... I've decided there are worse things than dying alone...But date on - it makes great reading!
Desert Rat: I know! I hope that works for you. Keep us posted. I'm involved in lots of things, too. Many men are married or gay. But my radar is always on.
Rapier: Sorry you're having to slog through the muck too. I love "myopic dates"!! That's much more accurate.
Lea: As you know, your romance and marriage keep me hoping. I am optimistic!
Zanelle: I'm so happy to hear of your success story. Congratulations!
Caitlin: I really appreciate your comment. I am 56, and those three guys were the initiators. My stated age range on the site is 45 to 65, so I try not to let numbers get in the way too much. My whole goal is to get out there, so I'm achieving my goal anyway!
Cartouche: I'll keep posting, as long as I can think of pseudonyms and no one's feelings get hurt. We're all in the same boat, trying to make human connection.
Al Loomis: Hmm, now there's a creative solution!
Pianissimo: True to say. Thanks for stopping by. Love your screen name.
Plantlover: Agreed re: state of mind!
Myriad: Yup. It's a crazy culture, isn't it? Well, good luck. Will you let us know of your forays?
let me guess, your recreational activities are watching TV and internet surfing.... and yakking on the phone to gfs? sounds equally exciting.
"Or the testosterone-laden men who say they love to kiss, cuddle, hug, make passionate love, or give full-body massages. Maybe this is a turn-on for some women. For me? Yecch."
hard to interpret this. is it that you think testosterone is incompatible with having feelings? or you think the guys are lying, without knowing anything about them? or you dislike physical contact? wow, every line makes me think you are more and more the real catch. =)
Rated.
Anyway, thanks for letting me enjoy this vicariously. I'm also in my 50s and separated for 3+ years. Haven't had the urge to resume dating so thanks for letting me know what it's like..
Abrawang: You seem to really get what this is about -- basic awareness of one's own presence and demeanor, basic curiosity about other people, and simply trying to connect to someone else on a human-to-human level, regardless of gender or expectations. Something like that, anyway. Thanks for stopping by.
I think the old adage about finding love when you least expect it is a good one. I like the idea about doing your thing, enjoying your friends yet being out there, smiling and friendly. Something good is likely to happen. R
Retablo: True enough, yet who knows what is "supposed" to be? We just keep on truckin', I guess.
GeeBee: Here's to longevity! Hang on tight. My parents are 88 and 89 and married 60 years and counting.
I hope this torture ultimately leads you to true "luv," or at least a well-deserved book contract.
Hope the next dates are more fruitful for you. If not (selfishly), I hope they're as funny!