Almost 30 years ago I worked full-time at an alternative newspaper in Santa Barbara. I wrote articles and helped keep the community events section organized as well. Men and women worked there, there was smoking inside while working, pot smoking in the back, beer drinking at night while working late. A liberal bastion while Ronald Reagan was in office and his western white house shimmered in the hills close by.
One of the male writers who worked there started hassling me. He wanted to date me, I didn't want to date him. He lived with his girlfriend who also worked at the newspaper. But she was sufficiently oppressed by his ego that she said nothing while he openly courted me. I didn't want to date him. I didn't really even like him. When he finally realized I was serious he started to make my life a living hell. At first I ignored him. But then I realized something curious. I was a liberal woman working at a liberal newspaper getting sexually harrassed by a liberal man and nobody was batting an eye. I mean nobody.
I went to the Editor of the newspaper, a woman who was friends with this male writer. I told her the problem. She told me that that was just the way D. was and he didn't mean any harm, just put up with it, no big deal. I explained to her it was a big deal to me and it was seriously affecting my work and my being able to even come to work. She shrugged and poured herself another cup of coffee.
Here's what I did: I walked away from my dream job.
So it was with great dismay to see that almost 30 years later, nothing has changed for women in the workplace.
Nell Scovell, a former writer for David Letterman, with an impressive 20 year resume, weighed in this week on her experience as one of the very few female writers on his staff. She has also been writing for Vanity Fair since 1988.

When the news first broke that Letterman was being black-mailed by a staff member for his blatent affairs with women who work under him I listened bleakly to the rush, the whoosh! of defense to poor married Mr. Letterman. The men were all: "those women want to be with rich, successful men!" "The woman blackmailing him must have planned this from the start!" Well, it was a man who was blackmailing Letterman. CBS news producer Robert J. Halderman tried to extort $2 million dollars from Letterman to keep some of the comedians' sexual affairs quiet. Oopsy to all you men who screamed "Ho!" at the top of your lungs.
Totally missing the point that this is about workplace policies, not about a single man dating someone at work. And deftly tucked away was the fact he is married with a kid at home. Apparently if you are rich, and a "star" you have permission to prowl the halls for your next one night stand. Really. Who's going to say no to the boss?
I watched with disheartenment as my fellow feminist bloggers defended him to the hilt. "It's not about sex!" "How else do you meet people?" "Those ladies love it!" "His wife probably doesn't even mind!" and Barbara Walters weighed in on the View: "It isn't sexual harrassment."
Oh but Barbara, it is.
As Nell points out, there's a subset of sexual harrassment called sexual favoritism that, according to the Equal Opportunity Commision can lead to a "hostile work environment," often "creating an atmosphere that is demeaning to women." And that was her experience as a writer on the David Letterman show.
At this moment there are zero women working as comedy writers for various late shows, Jay Leno and Conan O'Brien included. Nell describes her experience:
"Was I aware of rumors that Dave was having sexual relationships with female staffers? Yes. Was I aware that other high-level male employees were having sexual relationships with female staffers? Yes. Did these female staffers have access to information and wield power disproportionate to their job titles? Yes. Did that create a hostile work environment? Yes. Did I believe these female staffers were benefiting professionally from their personal relationships? Yes. Did that make me feel demeaned? Completely. Did I say anything at the time? Sadly, no."
But I did say something at the time and it got me exactly nowhere. And I know thousands of women have said something at the time at their jobs and it got them exactly nowhere. So you can stop screaming in my ear that she should have "said" something. Oooh. That would make it stop.
Here's what she did: she walked away from her dream job.
She's coming forward now because she wants to pivot the discussion away from the bedroom and toward the writers' room, because "it pains me that almost 20 years later, the situation for female writers in late-night TV hasn't improved." She points out that shows "often rely on current (white, male) writers to recommend their funny (white, male) friends to be future (white, male) writers." Anybody who saw the movie "Funny People" starring Adam Sandler can't argue that fact. The whole movie showed how older men mentor younger men and younger men bring on board their male friends and so it goes. I believe my mothers generation called this "The Old Boys Network."
Perhaps male writers don't want women in the room. But Scovell points out "we're your co-workers, not your wives."
Sexual harrassment of women in the workplace is wrong. It robs a women of her right to employment, to be safe, to benefit from her years of education or experience. And it is wrong whether it is a liberal man like Letterman [or Clinton] or a conservative. To argue otherwise is intellectually dishonest and is the definition of double-standard.
The man who harrassed me almost 30 years ago went on to have a very successful writing career. He didn't have to worry about hostile work environments and also could rely on his network of male writers to recommend him to his next job. This creates economic disparity between the sexes on a huge scale.
To be able to work at a job you love without having to worry about the David Lettermans in the office trolling for sex. Must be nice.


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I see now that there is no denying the sexual harassment component.
In my 30 plus years in management, the actions of a leader always drive the organization's culture. Dave Letterman, is no better than Bill O'Reilly.
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I can't tell you what kind of fury stories like these brings to me. Well, I don't have to tell you. You know. Great post. Well deserved EP/FP. And a pox on Barbara who absolutely DOES know better.
What you experienced is quite clearly sexual harrasment, ie, it's HARRASSMENT with a sexual component. I'm not so sure that, in the absence of evidence of quid pro quo, just getting your feelings hurt over the fact that the boss' girlfriend gets on air more often or gets her jokes used more often than you do constitutes sexual harrasment. Yes, she may be benefitting professionally from her personal relationship to the boss. So does the boss' former fraternity brother. So does the child of the boss' best friend. Etc., etc., etc. Ms. Scovnell is right in saying that Letterman et. al. need to reach beyond the old boys' network in their search for writing talent, but not just because women are underrepresented on their staffs but because they're missing out on a LOT of potential talent by hiring mainly from the pool of friends-of-friends.
Anyone consider that Letterman may have put Stephanie Birkitt on air as much as he did AND had an affair with her because he genuinely liked her more than others on the staff and thought she was funnier than other women on the staff? Humor is, after all, a subjective thing, and it often goes hand-in-hand with perceived attractiveness.
Before I started, the company had to "pay off" a female employee after she complained about harrassment from her supervisor. The company didn't want to loose him, so they gave her a large cash settlement and she "agreed" to leave the company.
Evidently, me telling one of the service techs that I liked the color of his shirt b/c it looked like the inside of a watermellon gave him permission to squeeze & pat my butt a few weeks later. Being felt up by someone older than my father wasn't my idea of fun.
So could some of the advancement be for those comfortable with (or silent about) said banter. You are making me think of a female jewish sales rep who would regale the largely male sales office on friday afternoons with JAP jokes told to her by her clients. Makes me wonder if she really found them funny or just conceded defeat and embraced them as a defense...
Good post.
Sexism remains as institutionalized as racism, but every year is better. Apologies for the crap you went through in SB ... a creep is a creep is a creep. You've been on Oahu a while and must have a few tita friends or co-workers ... flashback for me to the docks in Kahului where I was in the Longshoremen as a young man. A new haole manager made a smart remark to my co-worker Lina-Girl ... Lina turned and said, "oh, you like I grab em?" and, tea-bagged the kook out the door and bounced his ass off the wall ... sadly, this is a rare occurence.
Aloha Kakou
I actually don't think David Letterman is a good person, for what its worth.
Smart journalism, woman. Now move it. Asap, while the story is still out there.
The current executive producer (Burnett) noted that "for the past nine years, three of the show's four executive producers have been women, and all of them have worked for Letterman for more than 25 years. In addition, the heads of the talent and production departments are women, 58 percent of the show's staff are women, and all but one of the show's major divisions are led by women."
This doesn't prove or disprove anything about the current work environment at Worldwide Pants, but looking only at the writer's room experience of a short-term employee from 20 years ago doesn't either.
There's a big difference between sexual harassment (including a hostile work environment) and Scavullo's observation that shows "often rely on current (white, male) writers to recommend their funny (white, male) friends to be future (white, male) writers." That's just a stupid and narrow hiring practice. It doesn't create a hostile work environment for women - it just keeps them from getting the jobs in the first place. And really, should we be surprised that the writer's room (the backroom voice of the show) looks exactly like the front of the house? All of the late night hosts are male, all of the co-hosts are male, and even the bandleaders are male.
There's a ton of progress to be made (still) in improving working opportunities and environments for women. Maybe Worldwide Pants is a horrible place for women - I'm just waiting for someone with a more recent, more relevant experience to shed some light on the issue. The world has changed - greatly - in the past 20 years and I just don't think it helps anyone to drag up old situations to try and prove a current point.
The show's (and parent company Worldwide Pants) current top Exec Producer, Rob Burnett worked his way up from intern. So did the other two Exec Producers, Barbara Gaines (we see her almost every night off to the side) and Maria Pope. Did any of the three sleep with the boss to get ahead? Who knows.
So I also wonder what's the overall culture now... how much did those two powerful women know and what, if anything, did they do? Sexual harassment --any harassment-- is ugly, illegal and unconscionable. I've been a victim of it myself. Which doesn't mean I believe every instance of sex in the workplace constitutes harassment.
As for Barbara Walters, she's made no secret of having slept with powerful men and being proud of it. Though she's always set up as one, she's hardly a role model for feminist achievement... certainly not mine.
Grand post. Fine writing, fine research. Mahalo
I am upset that there are no women writers on these shows. My question is: why? Did no one apply for the job? Were the women writers who applied really horrible writers?
I look at SNL and the women comedians and writers it's produced and it seems like maybe SNL is still ahead. A little.
Is there a site or search where you can find out who the writers are on different shows? I always support the programs that fit with my beliefs.
Thanks and Rated!
i cant imagine how wretched it would feel to have a dream job impacted this way.
When it comes down to it, unless there is some evidence of Mr. Letterman using intimidation to force Stephanie Birkitt into a sexual relationship, the victim in this is actually Mr. Letterman. He was being blackmailed, reported it, and cooperated with the police despite the somewhat unfavorable light that was shone on him. Outrage over the Lewinsky affair of President Clinton is another thing I can’t get upset about. There is no evidence he even tried to pursue her and quite a bit that indicates she was in full pursuit mode. If you want to say he should have been more mature about I can’t argue, but people don’t act with the level of maturity they should about a lot of things and as long as they stay clear of criminality I don’t think it is right to harp on such lapses.
Life is undoubtedly unfair, but we sure don't have to lie down and take it. Speak up, speak out, be a factor in your own life.
Great personal story, Deborah. I'm sure your willingness to relate your experience, coupled with others, will help some young women to stand up for themselves - and potentially win the fight!
I'm a white male, and the way some of my colleagues have conducted themselves in the past and currently sicken me. Hang 'em high, I say.
Thanks for an insightful post and congratulations on a well-deserved EP. I saw your story several hours after I posted mine (on the same subject). http://open.salon.com/blog/kalpanam
I've taken a slightly different stance on it. I've been upset at Scovell for waiting this long to dangle men like Letterman by their (well) tail. But after reading your post, I see (with a little more clarity) why someone might just walk away. I think one of the BIGGEST, BIGGEST problems is that other women tolerate such behavior. In your case, it made your decision for you when your colleague couldn't understand why you couldn't put up with it.
Years ago (I was 20), while I was being interviewed for a reporter position in India, one of the five or six editors in the room (a very accomplished journalist) had the gall (he was just finished quizzing me) to turn to another man, smile knowingly and say "So-and-so, you can HAVE her now, if you like!" I was afraid to do anything about it then. But I'm still smarting over the incident and the fact that I let the famous man go. I wish I'd had the guts to stand up and tell the man that I was finished with the interview after listening to that one comment. Do read my post because when I was caught in a bad situation many years later in the US, I decided to act.
I second what Miss Mann said -- get this published and quick.
Okay, OF COURSE I'm kidding and OF COURSE Letterman is sexually harassing female employees... and he didn't get caught the first, second, or third time that he did it. (Rated)
The idea of blackmail too seems more than a little out of touch. After all, the man was going to write a book, and Letterman sent his LAWYER to deal with the settlement. From what I can glance, settlements are not uncommon or unknown. The fact that this man was arrested without a lot of evidence seems more than little fishy, and reeks of favoritism for a man with an evident amount of financial firepower behind him.
Letterman is not an innocent lamb. He built a career off of women in his employ. He should not be lauded but publicly shamed for his behavior toward female employees. What he has done is ultimately wrong.
Sabrina, the Teenage Witch!
Sabrina, the Teenage Witch!
That crap-fest is like the definition of "no talent" for anyone who ever got near it, but for the creator of...
Sabrina, the Teenage Witch!
...a special place in the pop-culture Hall of Infamy is reserved, along with an eternally burning bag of dog-poop on his or her tomb.
Scovell's whiny, unfunny, and insubstantial article in Vanity Fair just makes it worse. Apparently she quit just because some female employees had sex with Letterman.
Adopting her ludicrous "style," let's ask and answer a few questions salient questions...
Was she treated with respect by Letterman? Yes. Did anyone force her to have sex? No. Did anyone even offer to have sex with her? No. Did Letterman sexually harass her? No. Did anyone make offensive remarks to her? No.
Did anyone at all sexually harass her, or even mention sex, or use the word "sex" within a mile of her?
I don't care.
Meanwhile all over the Third World there are about 800,000,000 women who would love to have a job with Letterman, 800,000,000 women who live and die in poverty while American feminists piss and moan about a show where no one was sexually harassed unless...
You expand the definition of sexual harassment to include anybody having sex with anybody else anywhere in the organization, and after that...
Every show on TV can hire a gang of mullahs to make sure that no one so much as glances at a heinie!
Eyes front!
Think only pure thoughts!
We got a comedy to write!
The Horribly Inhibited Comedy Hour!
Scene One:
7 men and 7 women in the writers' room stare at each other with mutual suspicion , while they slowly recycle "humor" from Sabrina, the Teenage Witch.
Harharharhar!!!
Get it?
"Humor" from Sabrina, the Teenage Witch!
Okay, sorry, I should have explained that Sabrina, the Teenage Witch was supposed to be funny!
My former female supervisor - where again - I walked away - sucked up to the male Dr. in charge who knew nothing but allowed him to make decisions that negatively impacted the women who worked for her - so long as her own behind was protected. While he screwed a woman in the next dept. while his wife worked at the same company. Sigh. I guess I've become cynical. How could his two producers not know what is going on?
This is a problem filled with nuance and it needs robust monitoring to go away.
And why is any extramarital relationship somehow perceived to be only/primarily based on sex -- like there could be no mutual attraction between two people just because there happens to be a societal institution that statistically biologically (not necessarily socially) favors alpha females? No loneliness in the world because the institution of marriage exists? No lack of communication? No needing to belong?
From what I've seen, most humans will fuck at the drop of the hat. But try to get them to introduce you to their parents.
You've changed my mind. When I first head about this, I thought it was between two consenting adults and thus nobody elses business. After reading you post, I now agree that this was, by definition, a hostile work enviroment for women who did not want to have sex with Letterman or other staffers. Before, I found him sorta funny...at times. Now, I can't see his face without thinking of some poor writer who worked her ass off to get her "big break" only to get there and find out that she's gotta get on her knees to get ahead. I guess it's OBrian only for me now...
Like most women, I've experienced sexual harassment, and lost a couple of waitressing and bartending gigs as a result. Not jobs I cared a lot about, but it's humiliating nonetheless. I don't feel any sympathy for anyone using economic pressure to get sex, which in my mind is comparable to rape. I just wouldn't condemn Letterman for sexual harassment on these facts. I think it comes down to whether the simple fact of sex between people working together constitutes a sexual harassment. I don't think it does.
You make a very strong case the harm caused by sexual harassment. A post cannot say everything you know about a subject, and I certainly don't claim to know much about the situation in Letterman's office, but I don't feel that you've drawn enough of a line between your own horrible experience and the experience of Letterman's employees. The question that jumps out at me is, if there were a culture of quid pro quo, why don't more ambitious and unprincipled women sleep their way into the writer's room?
Enough already.
I do understand where you're coming from and as I said, I've experienced sexual harassment, too, though fortunately not in a job I was committed to. As I noted, it's akin to rape when someone's economic well-being is threatened. Your response to me sounded like anyone who doesn't jump on this Letterman bashing bandwagon must be insensitive to sexual harassment and in favor of sleeping your way up the corporate ladder. No such attitude was to be found in my comment.
The fact that Letterman doesn't have any female writers, and has had very few in the past; condones a culture where higher-up men are sleeping with lower on the ladder women and enjoys extra-marital sex on the job while his wife is at home, I mean c'mon. Is this 1958 or 2009?
In my humble opinion.
Deborah, it seems that all you say about the sexual relationships on the Letterman staff and other workplaces assumes higher-up men are sleeping with lower on the ladder women which implies some level of coercion yet from everything I've read there's nothing that leads to that conclusion about the relative positions of the people involved. Someone's already mentioned Monica Lewinski in these comments and she is an important lesson about the relative positions of sexual aggressors - it's not always the one in the higher position who initiates the relationship.
In a similar vein, the assumption that Letterman enjoys extra-marital sex on the job while his wife is at home is striking to me. Has that been made clear? Do we know that this behavior continued after his relatively recent marriage? (I remember Stephanie but I don't remember when I stopped seeing her on the show.) And do we know what kind of a deal the Lettermans made in this marriage; for that matter, is it any of our business? It all strikes me as another iteration of the assumed default position of women as sexual puritans. Is that either necessary or accurate?
As far as I know I've never been subjected to sexual harassment (1, I've never been that attractive to men and 2, I can be pretty oblivious to things I don't expect to be happening). Once, though, I was in a position on a job of having friends higher positions than I and I had direct and indirect access to them and their even higher friends, at least one of whom was a company VP. Those connections allowed me to learn and do things in my own job that in turn allowed me to make progress that would not have been possible otherwise. Wasn't that just mentoring and networking? That's the situation came to my mind reading Nell Scovell's essay. How would her situation have been different if it was just a matter of people liking other employees better than her without any sexual involvement? What about people who bond because they all went to the same school or because their kids do, or if their kids play the same sport, they go to the same church, live in the same neighborhood, hang out at the same bar after work and so on and so on. Scovell's position seemed far more like one of these situations than the real sexual harassment you describe in your own life, Deborah.
(And Sabrina, the Teenage Witch really was a godawful show, absolutely nothing remotely funny about it.)
When the Letterman story broke my entire argument was that his lover and assistant was on the show... a lot. That she was the correspondent that covered two Olympics and a secret relationship, while not proving that favoritism took place, allows for favoritism in a pernicious way. The problem isn't that he was sleep with his assistant... I always felt like I had to point out she slept with her older boss at 48 hours as well as Letterman... the problem is that he kept it a secret. Work place romance is a reality of the modern world. There is no way to put that genie back in the bottle. There is, however, a professional way to mitigate it. Tell people. Say that you are dating, tell HR, tell people with authority, so that when issues like who gets to go to china for a month on CBS' dime living first class the whole way with a fat expense account everyone knows that the choice isn't about some secret affair that is going on. Letterman can sleep with whomever he chooses as long as it is consensual and this clearly was. The author making reference to the marital status of someone having a relationship is petty and detracts from her larger point. David Letterman doesn't owe this author or anyone else, except his wife, his fidelity. It is not this authors business whether he is faithful to his wife and her multiple mentions of married men, even going so far in her own travails to mention the relationship status of the man harassing her, diminishes her ability to argue this point. This isn't a morality tale, this is a conversation about the workplace and what is appropriate and inappropriate.
The assistant for Letterman got favorable treatment. Whether it was special or not is difficult to say, but she received veer favorable treatment and that fact that her receipt of this treatment coincided with her sexual relationship with the boss makes it instantly suspect. Letterman shouldn't have been sleeping around at work. It is a bad idea fraught with peril. What he did, by itself, isn't hostile work environment, but it could be and certainly violated any written policy for any major company like CBS. I haven't read their policy but it has to include this kind of thing in it. They all do.
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There is a reason companies don't want the boss sleeping with the underlings...because the underlings *not* being slept with might not get the raise they should get, might not get the choice assignments, might not get the title or the promotion or the office with a window, because the underling the boss is sleeping with is getting those things. Sure, she's the best employee and would have gotten those things anyway....but with sex in the equation, who is going to believe that?
The power imbalance between the boss and the employee creates in imbalance between the employee and her peers, which in turn creates tension and a sense of grievance in the organization, all of which is enough for the HR and legal departments to say "Not on the clock." You simply can't have an equitable work environment when one person in that environment has access to the boss in ways that no one else does. It's not only the woman being slept with that should be considered - she may do just dandy in fact. But try being the guy that got hired at the same time as her and she makes $20,0000 more. Try telling him she earned it. Even if she did, just try to make that fly.
And what could be worse than two people falling in lust looking for ways to communicate that lust surreptitiously? I'll tell you what's worse - when one of them decides to move on, and the other wasn't quite ready for that.
We're not only getting screwed, we're getting fucked. Or should I say raped. And it's getting worse, not better. In politics, in business, in relationships, and even the state's attitude in the courtroom.
Not to mention in who's going to be bailed out (all white male run banks with horrific track records of discrimination towards WOMEN AND MINORITIES). Advised by whom? The ex president of Harvard, Obama's chief economics advisor, who was fired from his post at the Ivy League Institution, for saying things like "women are biologically inferior to men when it comes to science, technology, politics and economics."
Or perhaps government set asides for women and minorities, like a recent RFP in New York, setting TOTAL SETASIDES in cleantech, which is very lucrative, to a total of 4%. NO THAT IS NOT A TYPO. With the Department of Labor, not to mention the Dept. of Energy, both ignoring this sexist attitude, but even perpetuating it. When it is a clear violation of Title VII.
I could go on, and I have plenty of examples, but we're going backwards not forwards. And unfortunately for some reason, women in their t
Welcome to reality folks.
And yes, Larry Summers, the ex-president of Harvard was fired for his prehistoric take on women and their "brains". Google it.