AUGUST 27, 2010 7:03PM

OS: In the Name of God, Please Just Stop!

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This is the internet people. The internet is overrun with folks living out their issues online. It’s a breeding ground for socially challenged individuals who love finding ways to antagonize others.

 

Online forums are like Happy Meals for contentious misanthropes who spend most of their waking hours surfing the web. 

 

It’s the price we pay for free speech.

 

If you don’t want to become like them, then for God’s sake stop acting like a bunch of howling monkeys flinging their poop at each other.

 

Stop the malicious back and forth.

 

Stop the, “He said, she said.”

 

Stop the, “But she hit me first!”

 

Stop the, “I’m going to tell teacher on you!”

 

Stop the, “It’s time we rallied to protect so and so!” campaigns.

 

Please stop flooding the feed with this stuff. 

 

All of our blogs come with a delete button. If you don’t like comments delete them. If you don’t like certain bloggers ignore them.

 

But in the name of God please stop the childish school yard behavior.

 

If you “left” OS for whatever reason, please stop coming back to antagonize others using an “alter” ID.

 

It’s not cool or cute or clever to use a fake ID to confront someone about anything. It’s cowardly, no matter how you justify it. Worse still when you come back with a “alter” gang. Either come back as yourself or not at all.

 

If you’re offended by a post, a comment, or a blogger, grow up for God’s sake, and learn to ignore them.

 

Quit playing the victim. If you’re the one keeping the issues front and center with yet another post describing how you or your friends have been abused, that’s not victimization. That’s participation.

 

“But I was wronged!” you say. Yes. You and thirty million other people. Every day. But this is the internet, for Pete’s sake. It’s not like they stole your food ration while you’re starving in the Sudan.

 

There are no online martyrs and very few genuine online victims. There are, however, far too many folks who want to appear to be one or the other or both.

 

For God’s sake stop. Grow up. There are always going to be idiots who write rotten stuff. They have that right. Just don’t become one yourself. Stay out of the kerfuffles du jour if you really want to be different.

 

Not just once. Not just most of the time. But consistently.

 

Writers must have tender hearts and thick skins. Very thick skins. Bloggers need these things too.

 

Try this test. See if you can quit writing posts or comments about anyone else on OS unless it’s to direct folks to great work.

 

Drop out of your gang or club or group. Be brave. If your best friends are acting stupidly, say so. Admonish them to stop acting like spoiled infants or spurned lovers.

 

But in the name of all that is holy, quit saying you care about this place, or art, or people, if what you’re doing is perpetuating the strife on either side.

 

Open Salon has the potential to blow the doors off the literary world. There is so much talent here.

 

Please. Don’t let this place become just another forum where people fight online. Do all you can do to make OS what it could and should be: A repository of literary and artistic riches. 

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Now breathe deeply, have a nice beverage and celebrate a spectacular sunset...Wherever you are!

Well put, sir.
AMEN!

Dennis... I think I love you!
Oh.

Was there some sort of fight here today? (kidding....kidding..)

It is rather amazing how effective NOT participating, ignoring, and other such liberating acts are.

Not that I am noble. Christ, I love a good train wreck, and have been known to watch a show, for over 15 minutes, mind you, that had Leif Garrett as a commentator.

Heck, I was hesitant to even respond to THIS.

But it was too good not to...so..rated.
Thank you Dennis. Your post here and Ken Honeywell's should be simple guidelines for digital commerce and connections, but I'm not sure many who are entrenched in the constant bickering will take it to heart. It is certainly disheartening.
xo, Dennis. I am so glad you are here.
There is lots of good here Dennis.
Yes there is....
There's another kerfuffle going on? I hadn't noticed. I avoid Meta. Except, you know. THIS one.

Now go read my not-so-literary thingie.

:-P
And Denise!

Egads..I miss you guys.
True dat, but it will fall on deaf ears. R
Seriously, when you make Dennis come out of the woodwork, you better listen up.
Alright, that's it! I'm mentioning you and quoting you in my next blog! ["Open Salon has the potential to blow the doors off the literary world. There is so much talent here."]
Nice to see a few people over the age of 14 posting here occasionally.
Eh hem.. speaking of continuation..

{{kidding.. KIDDING! Don't hit!}}

Rated for one who knows where he is.
(the unreal which is the 'net, as opposed to the real which is not the 'net)
Inspiring! Thanks
unfortunately, there is just too much common sense encapsulated in this post to be appreciated by those who to participate in the train wrecks.

may i add one more suggestion: don't say something hateful then pretend you are 'only joking'. humor is a wonderful thing, but using it to disguise an attack is not. it is cowardly. (r)
If I bowed before anyone (I don't), I'd bow before you...
"All of our blogs come with a delete button. If you don’t like comments delete them. If you don’t like certain bloggers ignore them."
I have to agree with you here. You're right, it is the internet. When I start taking things too seriously, I know it's time to find something else to do.
Best Wishes,
Blittie
Thanks, we shall try again!
R
Well said, Dennis. What a breath of fresh air. Thank you.
But she DID hit me first...
OK, I promise to behave better in the future. But she started it...what?...oh...OK. I promise I won't do it again. But she...

Well said.
I say `Amen to anything bbd writes.
He befriended `Maxine Hong Kingston.
Her home burned down on my birthday.
Where is Maxine?
She Moonbeams?
Maxine is sweet!
Read Homer too.
Read at a beach.
Waves calm too.
Hear the bubble.
Listen to bird loon.
Watch seagulls too.

I am just saying`Hi!
I was weary pooped!
Minds need soothed!
O, I am just spoofing!
It's great to be `human.
Thanks for ` reminding.
Let's practice`kindness.
Lettuce eat peas, leeks,
beets. No self-loathes.
We project self-hates.
Quiet is essential too.
Minds can be humming.
Bees sting on penis too.
Be careful. Behave too.
Penis swells big as ball.
It gets like a girl soft ball.
Who knows why I wrote it?
I remembered being stung.
It sure hurt and then itched.
No wake up and itch to fight.
No quarrel! Watch Moon too.
Hallelujah! Do you have a DVD? I'd like a dozen copies, please!
Your words are refreshing and true, and I am SO pleased to hear them!

let's keep OS a place where dialogue and discussion does not escalate into mud flinging and hand wringing. Support should be the first rule and if debate is called for, keep it dignified, polite and on topic; not personal! Thank you for giving voice to this.....
I agree. Let bygones be bygones. We need to let go of the old baggage, animosity and anger. It's time for a fresh start!

So, let's see... who haven't I been pissed at lately?

okay...


Hey, Mrs. Raptor! STFU Bitch!

:~D

(What the hell do you mean I missed the point????)
Art James. You are Loony in the very best sense of the word. Loved that. Be careful with your penis.
Dennis always says it best.

I was beginning to feel like there needed to be sidelines drawn on my desktop screen.
so many dust bunnies, so little time
Frankly, I don't get it. At. All.

I showed up here a few weeks ago and have been struck by how incessant, emotional and middle school it gets. Who needs it?

I appreciate finding some new writers and readers. But this other shit has really got to stop. It's amateurish in the ugliest and most immature sense of that word. It will also seriously repel talent and intelligence, as it should.
Sanity and an appearance by Art James. Maybe now we can just read and write again. Thank you.
Dennis, is it really you? *SWOON*
I love you. This is going into my left hand column under 'How to Rock OS'. Don't be such a stranger....did I say I love you? can I have your private email address?

(say no,... for your own protection)
I dunno. It seems to me like you plagiarized some stuff I wrote 20 years ago... and again 15 years ago... and again 10 years ago... and, oh, maybe it's just GMTA on a subject that runs in cycles on the intertubes and never goes away.

If people would put half the energy into their writing that they put into their interpersonal battle here I do believe we'd have a paradise for all to see. To quote Woody Guthrie. Or somebody.
Greetings Dennis. I seldom comment on meta-posts but yours is timely. It's a shame seeing talented writers bickering about who did what to whom, even if their case is sound. As you say, ignore bloggers you don't like, refrain or at least tone way down the personal attacks and focus on what you do best and what brought you here in the first place. And don't use PMs to spread nasty gossip, even if it might be true.
Nice post. And well said!
My motto has been to delete wherever possible. I only occasionally take the cape out of mothballs in defense of those I see as deserving a fair shake. Mostly, I believe in the DELETE button, and what it's for is peace of mind.
My latest post is all about the fair play you mention, along with the delete function.
Let's everybody play fair and enjoy!
A very solid Rate
Thank you for this erudite, mature, rational post, Dennis Knight. I concur with your sentiments.
Rated with appreciation.
Thank you for putting words to what I've been feeling all day long.
Sheesh!

Lezlie
Dennis, you manage to put things in a fair perspective, and you don't seem to have an agenda or bias. That's the problem with most of the posts surrounding this: skewed so everyone sounds like a victim and no one is responsible for anything. Apologies would be refreshing. Acceptance of bad behavior would be dramatic. Instead we have gangs of professional bullies and perpetual victims ad nauseum. and writing and reading and suffer.

Some of us come here to write and create. Let's stay with that.

I agree with all you said, and am so happy to see Art James, even with his bee-stung penis.
yeah, amen brother. hey KARIN REGO, THIS MEANS YOU :P
high five...fist bump...amen...YES! thanks!
As if it were possible to adore you even more than I already do. Thank you for saying this.
At last, sanity. Thanks, Dennis.
Love the artwork you used. Thanks for the guts to write this post at the expense of offending somebody. I know its because you care that you wrote it and you are someone who is always trying to get us to be our better selves. Keep it up. Bear
Just added you as a new fave based on this *one* post. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I was thinking I'd have to take a break from OS myself because I've getting a sick feeling in my stomach every time I log on lately. I do not handle conflict well, even as a non-involved observer. . . Rated!!
I stayed out of what I saw tonight for one reason...
the comments were closed.
you are quality people
@Cappy: "But she DID hit me first..."

Hell yeah and you loved it! Hehehheeee.
I hate it when someone covers all bases and leaves me nothing to go on about.
(R)ated accordingly!
What Lady said...xox
I've been away for a week (in the hospital, but am fine now) and have no clue what's been going on, but could friggin' care less.

Everyone should friggin' care less about bullshit exchanges. Folks with an axe to grind should be left to grind away, without input from the rest of us. Do NOT feed into crap, do NOT weigh in, and it will go away.......
Good to see you posting again, Dennis.
The most sensible thing I have read in the past two days. I have moved on; I hope this situation does likewise. Great words. R-
Well I know I will stayed clothed while out picking peas, thanks to Art James.
My thanks to each of you who took the time to read this rant and to contribute your thoughts and feelings on the matter.

Posts like this often garner very positive responses. They are akin to writing an article titled, “Please OS, Stop Drowning Puppies!” Who wants to go on record as someone who opposes that?

The real hope in writing anything that concerns this site is to help keep us from becoming inbred, self absorbed and self destructive as a forum. The talent resident here is jaw dropping and the potential of being a community that encourages the best in one another is staggering.

My hope is that posts like this will nudge us in the direction of our “better angels” creatively and give us pause before we engage in behaviors that are punitive, childish and unnecessarily grievous to others.

I deleted one comment at the author’s request.
Thank you, Dennis. Well said. Nice to see you again! xxoo
Thank you for these reasonable words. Now I'm going out to watch the moon with Art James.
I am so glad I have missed all of this. Whew.
“But I was wronged!” you say. Yes. You and thirty million other people. Every day. But this is the internet, for Pete’s sake. It’s not like they stole your food ration while you’re starving in the Sudan.

How does one italicize in comments?

I especially like the part I copied here. I used what I consider to be similar logic in a discussion with someone recently.

Whatever the reason, this place is certainly hoppin' with kerfuffles, and people seem to have long memories for being wronged. Being of the nosy & (of late) bored variety, I spent the last couple of nights reading here, jumping from blog to blog like I'm a frog in Frogger, trying to stay on track & trace the feuds.

Since I'm a visual learner, I seriously considered at one point making a diagram of who is who, who is mad at whom, who is allied with whom, plus all the whys, whens & whatnots. Then I suddenly became really bored with it all, and said forget it.

From an outsider's perspective, it's kind of fascinating at first, in a soap-opera kind of way. I can certainly see why anybody here who would prefer that the place be more of a writer's forum and less of a sandbox & playground would be really annoyed.
Um, but you're sort of contributing to the continuation, confirming the conflagration, well-meaning tho you be. I was just thinking earlier today that I find just as annoying all the Be Good Everybody posts as I do the snarky attack ones (ditto comments). As a couple of people here have said, those who need your advice won't listen, and the rest will applaud you but nothing will change.

The *STOP IT* should be (here I am, joining the Should Chorus) directed toward behaving like I do (I'm exemplary, and will ignore all criticisms) - I don't participate (well, hardly ever). Let the mud wrestlers have their fun (or whatever they're getting out of it), *ignore* and read & comment on the rest of the stuff here... (Well, maybe have a peek at the fights, if it's otherwise a slow day...)

For those who are in the mud bath and want out - just start *ignoring*. No more responding - responding angrily, snarkily, gently, reasonably ... it doesn't matter how you do it: it's feeding the fire. Fire doesn't care if you feed it pages of the sweetest prose or used toilet paper. Just don't feed it.

And if fire comes calling and tries to inflame your comments section, then delete and carry on *ignoring*. Boy, you should see the collection of nasty comments and just totally vile PMs I've *deleted*. Okay, I don't have anything. Just maybe three somewhat grumpy PMs over the course of my 'career' here, but that's because I don't get involved. (Well, hardly ever.)

P.S. - If I see ONE MORE REFERENCE to high school (or grade school, or kindergarten), I'm going to have to write a scolding, scalding meta post. Urging an OS-wide metamorphosis. More pho, sis! It's damned good stuff (but no recipes, please...oh, okay, recipes, I just won't read...or if I read, I won't cook...DON'T PARTICIPATE.)
May I add my Amen! I found that delete button my one and only time being caught up in this craziness. Well done.
There are always going to be idiots who write rotten stuff.

Yep. And there will always be people to admonish them to please stop. But they won't stop, because they ARE the people who write rotten stuff. The people who ignore and don't click and don't write rotten stuff don't need the admonishment.

But I like this anyway.

Btw, I should do a meta post. Sure fire way to get more than 3 comments. (tee hee) ;)
I can honestly say that after the first week or two on Open Salon I haven’t seen much if any of this!!

Seriously; but in fairness it is only because I learned how to search for issue oriented blogs and ignore some of the less desirable ones. My viewing range is very narrow I guess and during the first week or two I noticed enough to realize it was there if I went in other places including some of the highest rated posts which are often more about socializing than the issues which I have been trying to focus on.

Still your point is good many of these people may not have been taught right as little children and they never grew up.
"Open Salon has the potential to blow the doors off the literary world. There is so much talent here."

YES. See Sandra's latest post, the Clearing.
Fantastic! (in an Edvard Munch sort of way).
Dear Dennis,
Missed this earlier but am glad to come along and see that your worthy plea found ready ears!
Hope that the end of summer is finding you looking forward to comfort foods and wood fires.
Kind regards,
Stephanie
I'm so glad to see you back! Does this post explain why you haven't been around? I agree completely with what you wrote!
Hurray! Finally someone has enough balls to say this stuff. Maybe we can get back to the reading---like my Murder By Mouse series, please, anybody? (was that too whiny?)
Well I apologize for being mean about the name Dennis in my post today. I actually don't recall meeting a real one. Perhaps I will warm to the name after all. I agree with your post.
Dennis,
I missed this when you first posted this. This is fantastic advice for all of us.
Dennis, your comment

"Open Salon has the potential to blow the doors off the literary world. There is so much talent here" could be judged as grandiose.

The "talented" have every right to expect civility in the blogs and responses, perhaps because they are talented. Do we need Daddy Dennis to tell us to "stop it" if we don't give or get it?

If someone is verbally abusive and another calls them on it, perhaps you could just leave it alone. Let them settle it.

And where are the literary doors, why blow them off when you can just knock?