Dennis Loo

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Dennis Loo

Dennis Loo
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Los Angeles, California,
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December 31
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Professor of Sociology
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Cal Poly Pomona
Bio
Author of Globalization and the Demolition of Society; Co-Editor/Author of Impeach the President: the Case Against Bush and Cheney, World Can't Wait Steering Committee Member, co-author of "Crimes Are Crimes, No Matter Who Does Them" statement, dog and fruit tree lover. Published poet. Winner of the Alfred R. Lindesmith Award, Project Censored Award and the Nation Magazine's Most Valuable Campaign Award. Punahou and Harvard Honor Graduate. Ph.D. in Sociology from UC Santa Cruz. An archive of close to 500 postings of mine can be found at my blogspot blog, Dennis Loo, link below. I publish regularly at dennisloo.com, worldcantwait.net (link below) and also at OpEd News and sometimes at Counterpunch.

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APRIL 17, 2009 1:26AM

"Lack a Certain Polish:" Torture and the American Conscience

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"Someone must have traduced Joseph K. for without having done anything wrong he was arrested one fine morning." (Franz Kafka’s The Trial)

 

These memos I wrote were not for public consumption. They lack a certain polish, I think. (John Yoo, 3/4/09)

 

“With respect to the small confinement box [in which he cannot stand or sit], you have informed us that he would spend at most two hours in this box. You have informed us that your purpose in using these boxes is not to interfere with his senses or his personality, but to cause him physical discomfort that will encourage him to disclose critical information. Moreover, your imposition of time limitations on the use of either of the boxes also indicates that the use of these boxes is not designed or calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality. For the larger box, in which he can both stand and sit, he may be placed in this box for up to eighteen hours at a time, while you have informed us that be will never spend more than an hour at [a] time in the smaller box. These time limits further ensure that no profound disruption of senses or personality, were it even possible, would result. As such, the use of the confinement boxes does not constitute a procedure calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or personality.” (Memorandum for John Rizzo, Acting General Counsel of the Central Intelligence Agency, from Jay S. Bybee, Assistant Attorney General, August 1, 2002.)

 

So we may put him in a coffin sized box for no more than one hour at a time, or perhaps no more than two hours at a time.

 

"In addition to using the confinement boxes alone, you also would like to introduce an insect into one of the boxes with Zubaydah. As we understand it, you plan to inform Zubaydah that you are going to place a stinging insect into the box, but you will actually place a harmless insect in the box, such as a caterpillar. If you do so, to ensure that you are outside the predicate act requirement, you must inform him that the insects will not have a sting that would produce death or severe pain. If, however, you were to place the insect in the box without informing him that you intend to do so, then in order to not commit a predicate act you should not lead him to believe that any insect is present which has a sting that could pain or severe suffering or even cause his death." (Bybee Memo)

 

It is permissible then to lead him to think that he is going to get stung and may suffer severely or even die from this sting, but we may not explicitly tell him this.

 

"As we understand it, when the waterboard is used, the subject's body responds as if the subject were drowning - even though the subject may be well aware that he is in fact not drowning.  You have informed us that this procedure does not inflict actual physical harm.  Thus, although the subject may experience the fear or panic associated with the feeling of drowning, the waterboard does not inflict physical pain. As we explained in the Section 2340A Memorandum, 'pain and suffering' as used in Section 2340 is best understood as a single concept, not distinct concepts of 'pain' as distinguished from 'suffering.' See Section 2340A Memorandum at 6 n3. The waterboard, which inflicts no pain or actual harm whatsoever, does not, in our view inflict 'severe pain or suffering.' Even if one were to parse the statute more finely to attempt to treat 'suffering' as a distinct concept, the waterboard could not be said to inflict severe suffering. The waterboard is simply a controlled acute episode, lacking the connotation of a protracted period of time generally given to suffering.” (Bybee Memo)

 

“The first level of torture employed by the Spanish Inquisition was the ‘water cure.’ Water was poured into the accused's open mouth. The linen cloth was washed into the opening of the throat, preventing the accused from spitting the water back out. The overwhelming sensation of drowning forced the accused to swallow the water. The rules of torture as written by Torquemada, a man whom historians have compared to Hitler, stipulated that no more than eight liters of water could be used in a single session.” (“Torquemada and the Spanish Inquisition by Anthony Bruno)

 

“As you have explained the waterboard procedure to us, it creates in the subject the uncontrollable physiological sensation that the subject is drowning. Although the procedure will be monitored by personnel with medical training and extensive SERE school experience with this procedure who will ensure the subject's mental and physical safety, the subject is not aware of any of these precautions.” (Bybee Memo)

 

“A doctor observed her reactions and assessed her general condition. The mandates of the 15th Century Spanish Inquisition required the presence of a physician to monitor the health of the accused. The purpose of torture would be nullified if the accused was physically unable to hear and understand the proceedings. A confession, if it came, had to be a pure act, not the half-conscious ramblings of a mortally wounded sinner.” (“Torquemada and the Spanish Inquisition by Anthony Bruno)

 

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“We have been through a dark and painful chapter in our history. But at a time of great challenges and disturbing disunity, nothing will be gained by spending our time and energy laying blame for the past.” (Barack Obama, 4/16/09)

 

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I have changed the title of this from "Torture, Torquemada and the Truth" to "Lack a Certain Polish."
Thanks and rated.
BBE: A very good point: life imitates art. Sadists view themselves as artists and I have no doubt Bybee (and the rest, Addington, Yoo, Cheney...) derived a certain secret thrill from their Torquemada instructions.
“In his book The One Percent Doctrine, author Ron Suskind said Zubaydah was not the ‘high value detainee’ the CIA had claimed. Rather, Zubaydah was a minor player in the al-Qaeda organization, handling travel for associates and their families, Suskind says.

“Abu Zubaydah's captors soon discovered that their prisoner was mentally ill and knew nothing about terrorist operations or impending plots. That realization was ‘echoed at the top of CIA and was, of course, briefed to the President and Vice President,’ Suskind writes.



“But Bush portrayed Zubaydah as ‘one of the top operatives plotting and planning death and destruction on the United States.’

“‘And, so, the CIA used an alternative set of procedures’ to get Zubaydah to talk, Bush said in the spring of 2002, after Zubaydah was captured.

“Zubaydah was strapped to a waterboard and, fearing imminent death, he spoke about a wide range of plots against a number of US targets, such as shopping malls, the Brooklyn Bridge and the Statue of Liberty. Yet, Suskind writes, the information Zubaydah had provided under duress was not credible.

“Still, that did not stop ‘thousands of uniformed men and women [who] raced in a panic to each ... target.’ And so, Suskind writes, ‘the United States would torture a mentally disturbed man and then leap, screaming, at every word he uttered.’" (Jason Leopold's, Chertoff Concealed Role in Tape Destruction, 12/19/07)
PC: Got it. I've taken up your suggestion and changed the title to include Torture...
This is all so sickening. And, as a lawyer, John Yoo's utter BS has made me more sick. One of the first things you learn in Con Law (which Yoo teaches) is that the prohibition against torture was made for two reasons: 1) It is wrong; and 2) it does not work. People put to torture will confess to anything to end their suffering.

To state that pain and suffering mean the same thing is mind-boggling.
Gregor: To paraphrase and modify the famous Shakespearean line: first, get some lawyers to authorize you to kill all your enemies. This is certainly what the Bush regime did and what the Obama administration is upholding and fostering.
Shakespeare? I will have to look up.
Good post though. So what will happen if people vote overwhelmimgly and enthusiasticly for change, and don't get change? What will they do? No point in going back to GOP. I don't see any third party strong enough to take over (some countries have socialists or greens etc) . Alot of people being evicted from homes. Lots of unemployed guys hanging around the cities. Lots of anger.Kind of scary.
Just read yesterday's post and comment and they said: 'Obama is good and he is not stupid.' Well that makes no sense,which is it?

. And he needs time? More important stuff? Maybe I am missing something?
Obamapologists??
Ali b: the Shakespearean quote is: "First, kill all the lawyers."

Elections don't decide public policy. Obama's claims of change were and are a deliberate fraud. While he is doing some things that are an improvement over Bush - for ex., CO2 emissions - on critical areas he is no better or even worse than Bush and Cheney.

Movements can change and determine public policy. A powerful social movement based in the people and relying on the independent power of the people is what is called for. That is the only thing that can work. All else is illusion.
This is what I got from Amnesty International US:

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In a pivotal moment in our call for accountability, yesterday the Obama administration finally released the four infamous memos crafted to provide legal cover for the U.S. torture program.

You and I know there is no legal form of torture. But Obama wants us to believe that "this is a time for reflection, not retribution."

We've done plenty of reflecting, and the information in the memos only confirms what we've known all along. Torture is illegal under both domestic and international law and no set of legal memos can change that.

Within hours of their release, the memos fueled new speculation that there is just too much out there now for Congress to ignore calls for accountability.
Protest against torture

Incredibly, our lobby week is wrapping up today, giving us an amazing opportunity to push Congress on accountability, when they're most receptive to our calls, both in person and online.

Send a letter now to Congress calling for a full and independent investigation.

Before today, major editorial boards from the Boston Globe, Salt Lake City Tribune, and Philadelphia Inquirer threw their hat into the ring, calling for accountability.

While we may have convinced editorial boards, it's Congress that has the power to setup independent investigations. This is the last day of our lobby week. While Amnesty members finish up their meetings, let's hit Congress from both on and offline.

Send an email to your elected officials and tell them that you want to know the truth about torture. Once members of Congress realize they can't turn down the buzz about torture in their own districts, they'll have to confront the issue in Washington.

The Obama administration has truly taken some important steps to correct past mistakes. Just a week ago, the CIA announced that it is no longer operating any of the secret overseas prisons used to detain terror suspects. While correcting some of these bigger problems certainly puts us on the right path, it doesn't tell us how we veered so far off in the wrong direction.

By this time, anyone who isn't the slightest bit curious about how we became a nation that tortures needs a wake-up call. And we're just the group to give it to them!

Thanks for standing with us,

Njambi Good
Director, Counter Terror with Justice Campaign