Dennis Loo

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Dennis Loo

Dennis Loo
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Professor of Sociology
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Cal Poly Pomona
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Author of Globalization and the Demolition of Society; Co-Editor/Author of Impeach the President: the Case Against Bush and Cheney, World Can't Wait Steering Committee Member, co-author of "Crimes Are Crimes, No Matter Who Does Them" statement, dog and fruit tree lover. Published poet. Winner of the Alfred R. Lindesmith Award, Project Censored Award and the Nation Magazine's Most Valuable Campaign Award. Punahou and Harvard Honor Graduate. Ph.D. in Sociology from UC Santa Cruz. An archive of close to 500 postings of mine can be found at my blogspot blog, Dennis Loo, link below. I publish regularly at dennisloo.com, worldcantwait.net (link below) and also at OpEd News and sometimes at Counterpunch.

AUGUST 11, 2009 11:34PM

Town Hall Fracases & the Fascist Movement

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By now we have nearly all heard about the raucous town hall meetings over health care. In today's Washington Post (August 11, 2009), for example, Sen. Arlen Specter, meeting with the public in a Lebanon, Pennsylvania town hall meeting, reproducing a similar scene that greeted him in Philadelphia last week, we have this revealing excerpt: 

"’You have awakened a sleeping giant,’ said Katy Abram, 35, a stay-at-home mother from Lebanon. ‘I don't want this country turning into Russia, turning into a socialized country.’

“Specter fielded 13 questions before someone voiced support for the health-care reform efforts. Questioner No. 14, Marilyn Boogaard, said she was nervous to stand up and say something positive about Democrats' health plan for fear of being booed.

"’I almost didn't want to ask my question because it's so intimidating,’ said Boogaard, 58, a nurse practitioner from Lebanon.”

At the town hall that Obama was going to attend, MSNBC reported:

“Outside the event where President Obama will conduct his town hall, there is an anti-Obama protestor with a gun -- a pistol strapped to his lower leg.

“The local police chief said it's legal for the man to have a registered handgun -- as long as it is not concealed. What's more, he is on private property, a church yard, which has given him permission to be there.”

On Friday Oklahoma Representative John Sullivan (R) questioned Barack Obama's birth certificate's authenticity at another town hall, further fueling and legitimatizing the moronic Birthers’ frenzy. 

WTF?!

Some people look at all of this and think “This is crazy.”

It is crazy, but there is a deadly underlying method to this madness. The intimidation and bullying, thuggish, atmosphere fueled by alarmist, fabricated, lying, and distorted propaganda from the organs of right wing extremists at Fox News, the Christian fascist movement and the motley crew of fascists working in collusion with the GOP leadership, are purposeful, engineered, and extremely dangerous.

As Marilyn Boogard cited in the Post article says, she was afraid to say something positive about the Democrats’ plan because of the lynch mob attitude being whipped up. This is remarkable if you think about it: in town halls, where polite discourse is the norm, people who support the majority party in Congress and the party that holds the White House are almost too scared to speak up in the face of worked-up-into-a-lather conservatives who think that Obama’s an illegitimate president, a socialist, that the Democratic Party is chock full of traitors, and that the country's going to become another Russia. 

When a movement seeks to take power, they do so in steps. By this point all too many steps have already been taken to fascist norms. The transition from being afraid to speak up to being physically shut up is a short step indeed.

The following article, written before the Town Hall fracases, is must reading in its own right and particularly in conjunction with these latest developments:

Is the U.S. on the Brink of Fascism?

By Sara Robinson, Campaign for America's Future,¨ Posted on August 7, 2009,

“All through the dark years of the Bush Administration, progressives watched in horror as Constitutional protections vanished, nativist rhetoric ratcheted up, hate speech turned into intimidation and violence, and the president of the United States seized for himself powers only demanded by history's worst dictators. With each new outrage, the small handful of us who'd made ourselves experts on right-wing culture and politics would hear once again from worried readers: Is this it? Have we finally become a fascist state? Are we there yet?

“And every time this question got asked, people like Chip Berlet and Dave Neiwert and Fred Clarkson and yours truly would look up from our maps like a parent on a long drive, and smile a wan smile of reassurance. ‘Wellll...we're on a bad road, and if we don't change course, we could end up there soon enough. But there's also still plenty of time and opportunity to turn back. Watch, but don't worry. As bad as this looks: no -- we are not there yet.

“In tracking the mileage on this trip to perdition, many of us relied on the work of historian Robert Paxton, who is probably the world's pre-eminent scholar on the subject of how countries turn fascist. In a 1998 paper published in The Journal of Modern History, Paxton argued that the best way to recognize emerging fascist movements isn't by their rhetoric, their politics, or their aesthetics. Rather, he said, mature democracies turn fascist by a recognizable process, a set of five stages that may be the most important family resemblance that links all the whole motley collection of 20th Century fascisms together. According to our reading of Paxton's stages, we weren't there yet. There were certain signs -- one in particular -- we were keeping an eye out for, and we just weren't seeing it.

“And now we are. In fact, if you know what you're looking for, it's suddenly everywhere. It's odd that I haven't been asked for quite a while; but if you asked me today, I'd tell you that if we're not there right now, we've certainly taken that last turn into the parking lot and are now looking for a space. Either way, our fascist American future now looms very large in the front windshield -- and those of us who value American democracy need to understand how we got here, what's changing now, and what's at stake in the very near future if these people are allowed to win -- or even hold their ground.”

The rest of this article can be found at AlterNet

 

 

 

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Thanks for the link. I've wondered the same thing: Do people think these mobilized gangs of thugs will just disband when their congresspeople go back to Washington?
Awwww, crap! I shouldn't have read your post before bed. I know I'm going to have nightmares about this.
‘I don't want this country turning into Russia, turning into a socialized country.’

God forbid any of these freaks should actually be a little socialized.

Now I'm wondering how long it will be before there are comments decrying partisanship, name-calling, lack of civil discourse, the sheer meanness of calling someone facist. All the ugliness is facilitated by the fear of pointing out that the emperor is stark, staring nekkid.
Where is "Joe the Plumber" now when we need a credible voice of reason to counter the loonies?
I know. Joe the Plumber seems downright sensible and scholarly by comparison! Shows you how far and how fast things have gone.
Benjamin: a very good point.

Safe Bet: "Sweet dreams are made of these/who am I to disagree..."

Nerd Cred: I suspect that even as you wrote the last paragraph that some people on the right were already doing as you predict.
The fellow toting the gun concerns me, especially in light of the sign he carried.

While this was all foretold many months ago, sometimes it sucks being correct.
This is indeed a terrifying situation. What with all of these Christian Fascists,fascists and white supremacists openly out in the open and threatening anyone who disagrees with them.( they are also not above threatening Obama openly either) This is an extremely dangerous and bad polarization for the majority of the people. It is way past time for an extremely urgently needed mass movement of resistance of millions and millions of people as to the direction that this country is going in. Obama and the Democrats are NOT going to bring forward anything that is good for the people.They won't even deal with single payer health( which given the workings of this capitalist system where profit is more important than the basic human right to health care) and where millions of people in other countries around the world, don't even have public health care due to the various "structural adjustment" programs forced on them by the World Bank, IMF, etc, to even think that we can get health care "reform" under these circumstances is a pipe dream and delusion.Why is it that a basic human need and right such as health care, housing, food, etc is out of reach of millions?What we need is revolution and Communism. I would strongly suggest that people check out "The Revolution We Need...The Leadership We Have ..." at www.revcom.us Also check out "The Ascendency of Obama ...and the Continued Need for Resistance and Liberation: A Dialogue between Cornel West and Carl Dix" which took place in Harlem on July 14, 2009. There is audio and video from that historic event also at revcom.us
These are, indeed, scary people with a scary agenda. Oh, wait! I think I just sounded like Fox News! Anywhoos...I agree with you, Dennis. We need to keep a sharp eye on these folks. We mustn't let the fascists be the only voice heard.
Highly Rated
So now they're bringing guns to meetings. What could possibly go wrong?
Great post, Dennis. Thanks for the link to the Robinson article!
Sen. Arlen Specter's public response to these melees is that this "is democracy." I'm not sure that he actually believes this. I would be concerned for him if he did.

The fascists are mobilizing their shock troops and they have been cultivating and preparing for this for years. The handwriting is on the wall in great big letters. Carol is right that the only way to respond to the developing and rapidly evolving situation is a mass mobilization from the other side, by people who won't accept this fascist wind and who demand a different path. The Democrats aren't, and aren't capable of, responding appropriately. The people must do this.
Kevin, I know, it sucks to be right about bad things coming into being! But bad or good, we need to pay attention and call it as it is.

Gracie: Very nice juxtaposition.

Norwonk: Yep. What could go wrong? : )

Public D: You're welcome!
Another excellent voice on the subject of the corporate takeover of the American gov't is Thom Hartmann. His book "Unequal Protection" is a must read.

It seems that the Bush years watered down the word "Facism" by using it in connection with "Islamo- . . ." (a weird word indeed!) and now I hear "Liberal Facists" and "Socialist Facists" whateverthehell that means. But by watering it down, it just isnt as scary to Americans born and bred with the idea of "Greed is good" and "Rugged Individualism."

But SOCIALISM - now there is a word that hasn't lost any of its power. Truly a shame that a centralized hegmonic dictatorship used it in the name of their country "Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics" and really made it a bogeyman. Because in my mind, I fear facism, and government of by and for the multi-nationals and Wall Street way more than I fear a government that might want to deliver "socialized" services like medicine (or fire or police protection or roads etc)

Good piece Dennis.
Hello, Professor Loo...while you know how I feel about fascism and my feeling that is already here....I don't value American 'democracy' as it now stands. I could get with the representative democracy of our Republic, if we were being reasonably represented. And as you know, I was a conscientous objector in the last election. I do not have supportive words for either party...however, I refuse to be silenced in dissent.
And dissent for me right now means calling Obama a fascist. I feel like a meanie, because so many people believed and still believe in him, I guess, but then, my little voice is hardly loud enough to hear.
Hi Tim. Thanks for your comment. Corporations have from the start had political power and been cozy with government. But it is also true that in the post-1970s period that free market fundamentalism (aka neoliberalism) has been the ruling dicta and shameless corporatist power has been what we have increasingly. (I don't think the Bush regime watered down fascism as much as they and their movement have been trying to (outrageously) claim that fascism comes from the left instead of the right.)

Robin: I think that what we are in right now has definite fascist characteristics. These characteristics are rapidly becoming more prominent and substantial.

We are in a kind of transitional period with remnants of (bourgeois) democracy existing alongside of more openly bourgeois dictatorship, with the latter eating up the former. I say "openly" because dictatorship has always been a part of bourgeois democracy. But what has been happening is that a fascist wing of the bourgeoisie has gotten the upper hand, even in the face of their electoral defeats, and the non-fascist wing has been co-operating and colluding with the fascist wing.

I wouldn't call Obama a fascist, but his national security state measures are clearly in consonance with Bush's policies. Indeed, Obama has gone further than Bush, even while rhetorically Obama feints to the "left," but only rhetorically.
Professor, he has gone further than Bush in a very short amount of time! I'm getting depressed about this again. How do you feel about Marxism?
Robin: Yes, Obama has gone far in the wrong direction on many (not all) critical fronts. I do think we should not mix up our terminology based on our passions, however. I don't think Obama is a fascist. But having said that, he is seeking common ground with fascists and the fascists are the rising tide, even though they represent a small minority.

You ask how I feel about Marxism. I wouldn't be able to really understand what's going on without it.

Marxism is based on materialism and dialectics and as such provides the most powerful analytical tool available. That's materialism in the philosophical sense: ideas don't come from out of thin air, they come from material interests and material activity. Dialectics, if I were to try to state this in a very brief way, is the view that everything can be divided into two. It is based on the fact/observation that all matter and energy in the universe - in other words, all things - can only be understood in relation to their opposite. These words that I'm writing, for instance, can only be comprehended or even written because their opposite exists in the form of a white background. Without the black of the letters and the white of the background, nothing could be writ or understood. So too music and sound consist of sound and silence in combination. There is no such thing as complete silence or complete sound. They exist and can only exist in relation to each other. Another way of putting this would be to say that all things consist of frequencies, a back and forth or up and down fluctuation. So these, in a nutshell, are the philosophical foundations of Marxism. There is, of course, much more that could be said.
"When a movement seeks to take power, they do so in steps. By this point all too many steps have already been taken to fascist norms. The transition from being afraid to speak up to being physically shut up is a short step indeed."

I just thought that needed to be repeated. I am reminded of a children's exhibit in the Holocaust Museum which outlined these steps in very clear terms. I have seen this coming since 9/11 when I saw academics and media figures silencing themselves because any dissenting opinion was labeled as "unpatriotic". My stepfather, an engineer for a major defense contractor and a liberal living in a red state, told me back then he was afraid to put any liberal bumper stickers on his car, because he was concerned what might happen to the car or to him. This is a serious problem, and very few seem to even get it. Thanks for getting it, and writing about it. I agree that change will have to come from the people, but as I recently posted, people do not change anything until the pain outweighs the fear. I dread to think how much more pain it will take to overcome that fear.
Thanks for your comments Lorelei. It really adds to the discussion. As for your final point, the fear and pain index, so to speak: The pain and the fear are coming at the same time. Very many of those who have been whipped up into a frenzy at these town halls are fearful in part (and in some cases, to a large extent) because of economic pain. Many are also feeling pain because they are afraid. Indeed, this latter process is more salient. This is mixed in, obviously, with racism.

In times of crisis people's fears and pain do not necessarily drive them in the direction of progressive/left solutions, witness the polarized atmosphere in Germany in the 1930s where fascism and communism contended. Demagogues of the right know this very well and they stoke fears.

Building a movement of resistance and that actually has an alternative vision of a just society (because trying to go back to the immediately prior status quo of Democratic Party-style "democracy" won't do it) is the only way that we can repolarize the situation in a good way instead of the very bad dynamic that we now see. Waiting for more pain to somehow produce more resistance is, unfortunately, a recipe for disaster. People need to steel themselves and step forward now and help to lead others...
Finding common ground with fascists makes one a fascist in my world. I am simply not one who can split philosophies on this one. After all, how many people sought to find common ground with Hitler? Many. And perhaps millions unwittingly. But in the end, when push came to shove, they went with it...I think that's what's happening here...not a minority situation at all.

With all due respect, Professor.

Marxism...I'm just taking another (of many many) looks at that...especially around the subject of labor. I was a physics major, so naturally, Marxism in theory makes a lot of sense to me.
Thank you for the good article.

I agree with you in most respects. I agree that socialist ideas will now become important.

I have been for some time ill and one of very important person for me had a dangerous illnesss and I have been busy with that matter. Still I'm exhausted.

I will comment more, when I have fixed some other things which are now late.
Dennis, your points about the "fear/pain index" are very good ones. Despite the fact that I am well aware how fear can be used to control a population, I realize that when I think about this fear/pain index in relation to how to mobilize people politically it is mostly in terms of psychological motivation for positive change, which seems to often arise from a negative stimulus. (Not to be all BF Skinner or anything.) It seems to me that what is needed for fundamental positive societal change is a shift in consciousness/perception/whatever, and in my experience this kind of fundamental shift only comes after a lot of pain and suffering. Like India after the British occupation, or Civil Rights after slavery and legalized racism.

So in terms of stepping forward to lead change, as you say, how do you do that when most people don't seem to agree change is needed? I do what I can to support a vision of an alternate and more just society, by talking and writing about it endlessly, and by living it the best I can. I don't know what else to do beyond that. I had to take myself out of activism because I cannot bear the personal cost of the abuse by the police. I think there are many people who would take action if they thought it would make a difference in a concrete, effective way, but none of us knows what that way is right now.

But now I think I've talked myself around to one of your exact points: people stepping up and leading others. In thinking of my earlier references to India and Civil Rights, I think of MLK and Gandhi, who did exactly as you say and stepped up to lead. Or one could say it was a matter of someone finally breaking down into "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore", as Rosa Parks did, and then a million million others agree and join in. I don't know but I'm trying to figure out if there is anything more I can DO that would help. If anyone could come up with an effective means for positive reform I would join in a heartbeat. If I could come up with it myself I would.

Apologies for the very long comment but as you can see I am quite passionate on the topic but rather lost and frustrated as to what action I can take besides blogs and protests and being abused by police. I appreciate your viewpoints, and any chances to discuss with anyone are always helpful!
Lorelei: Check out and join World Can't Wait. A link to their website is in my links box on the left side of the page here.

Robin: Did you know that Engels wrote a book on math? And The Dialectics of Nature?

Hannu: Hope you feel better...
Yes, I did...I'll have to take another look at that, too...you know, Professor, this all simply exhausts me. I pick something, and sit and think it through, and I'm just drained.
Robin: Yes, really serious issues can have that effect on a person. And these are nothing if not really, really serious...