Dennis Loo

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Dennis Loo

Dennis Loo
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Los Angeles, California,
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December 31
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Professor of Sociology
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Cal Poly Pomona
Bio
Author of Globalization and the Demolition of Society; Co-Editor/Author of Impeach the President: the Case Against Bush and Cheney, World Can't Wait Steering Committee Member, co-author of "Crimes Are Crimes, No Matter Who Does Them" statement, dog and fruit tree lover. Published poet. Winner of the Alfred R. Lindesmith Award, Project Censored Award and the Nation Magazine's Most Valuable Campaign Award. Punahou and Harvard Honor Graduate. Ph.D. in Sociology from UC Santa Cruz. An archive of close to 500 postings of mine can be found at my blogspot blog, Dennis Loo, link below. I publish regularly at dennisloo.com, worldcantwait.net (link below) and also at OpEd News and sometimes at Counterpunch.

SEPTEMBER 19, 2009 9:26PM

Looking Forwards, Not Backwards

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In the September 19, 2009 Washington Post we learn that the DOJ’s investigation of torture by US personnel will be even narrower than originally proposed by Eric Holder.

“The Justice Department's review of detainee abuse by the CIA will focus on a very small number of cases, including at least one in which an Afghan prisoner died at a secret facility [in Kabul in a CIA black site called the Salt Pit in November 2002], according to two sources briefed on the matter.”

That very small number of cases may be as small as two:

“Although earlier reports indicated that Durham would look into 10 cases, a source said recently the number is much smaller. In all, 24 alleged abuse cases were earlier referred to federal prosecutors by the CIA inspector general, of which 22 were declined, according to a letter in February 2008 from a Justice Department legislative liaison.”

Only twenty-four cases referred to prosecutors and all but two rejected by what the article describes as "an aggressive team of federal prosecutors." 

The article ends with this commentary on the young Afghan who froze to death at the CIA's secret torture site the Salt Pit in Kabul:

"'A lot of times cases look open-and-shut because a guy froze to death on a cold cement floor, but these cases are more complicated and involved than that,' said a government official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. 'You have to prove the cause of death. How do we know he froze to death? He may have died a natural death from clogged arteries. You have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he died as a result of the actions of the people who tied him to the floor naked. It may be a logical inference, but proving it beyond a reasonable doubt might be a different story.'"

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Kabul's average November low temperature is 29 degrees Fahrenheit

Water freezes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit

Naked

Bound by metal chains

To a concrete floor

A young, unnamed Afghan

Beaten

An unknown number of days

Before being left overnight

Alone on this concrete floor

In subfreezing temperatures

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But, of course, let’s not be hasty here. We do not know how he died. He might have died of too much cholesterol in his veins before he froze to death.

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The government official quoted above doesn't ask the following questions, nor does Eric Holder, nor does this Washington Post article, but I will ask them:

Why are the people who ordered that these black sites be created where this young, unnamed, Afghan was left to freeze to death in chains,

Why are the people who directed that detainees be kidnapped and rendered to black sites and places like Uzbekistan where the guards were known to boil body parts as part of their interrogations,

Why are the people who, on official stationary, bearing US government seals, instructed CIA interrogators in the minutest details how they should proceed to torture their captives,

Why are the people who issued secret orders to “take the gloves off” to US personnel and their contractors so as to extract the information that they were absolutely sure that these individuals must have,

Why are the people who have publicly admitted that they authorized these techniques, including specifically waterboarding, 

Why are the people whose memoranda evidencing all of this that are part of the public record already, with many more actions and orders still hidden, containing undoubtedly even worse details still under wraps,

Why are these depraved sadists

Not being held to account?

Why are Bush and Cheney and their henchman like John Yoo and Jay Bybee still walking free?

Dear Mr. President: Why, oh why?

Dear Dennis: We’re not looking backwards. We’re looking forwards.

We must not look backward else we turn and see too clearly  

This CIA black site they named the Salt Pit

 

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What more, really, can we say about this? It's an indefensible national disgrace, but nothing is going to be done unless there's a massive, open show of public outrage over this. The president and congress need to see that the dangers of investigation and accountability are less frightening than the alternative. But as long as they feel safely insulated, that's not going to happen. In short, they need to be scared, and scared badly.
Ben: I couldn't have said it better. Exactly.
Great post, Dennis.

P.S. Flaming emails already sent to our Congress critter & PotUS.
It is the lack of prosecution, of real national introspection, that bothers me more than anything else about Obama
Dont we realize that this is all done in the name of the People of The United States of America?
How can it be that the US does not want to investigate the crimes committed by the interrogators. I suspect war crimes were committed. And if so, the truth comes out.
I don't think anyone in Washington, now or in the past admin wants the truth to be revealed. I saw the stats on the number who were tortured to death and it blew me away.
We are no better than the terrorists we declare war on.
Safe Bet: It's a safe bet that what you do such as flaming emails and especially demonstrating, as Benjamin justly raises, will contribute to creating the atmosphere necessary to hold these war criminals to account.

Tim: Obama's a charlatan of change. His selection, nomination, and election were never really about righting wrongs. It was always about providing a more appealing looking cover for atrocities and injustices. You are so right that this examination of the conscience of our nation must happen.

Mission: Indeed. We are no better. In fact, we're worse on any number of criteria including the numbers this nation's policies have caused to die - 1.3 million + since the Iraqi invasion. As for war crimes being committed, there is no uncertainty. They're as evident as rain is wet. We know, as you mention, that at least 100 people have been killed by US forces under torture. The truth is staggering.
"Yes we can," lie through our teeth and not allow the lies to be so self-evident, in our eyes, as they were in the former moron in chief.




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BBC: Obama refuses to halt CIA probe:

President Obama has rejected a request by seven former heads of the CIA to end the inquiry into allegations of abuse of suspects held by the agency.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8265516.stm
Thanks Mark.

Blue Roses: Yes, Obama is refusing to halt the probe, but he didn't want the probe in the first place, he continues to block the release of the extremely incriminating torture photos, he wants the inquiry to be restricted to those who exceeded the orders (the orders themselves constituted orders to torture) and thus in so doing is implicitly endorsing and legitimating the torture policies themselves.
Dennis,
I think the American people, should by now, realize that if there is to be any accountability for these crimes that it is indeed up to us to make it that happen. And I don't mean calling Congress. We-all of us who horrified by these crimes-need to be in the streets. Rated
Thank you for your good post.

I think that the situation is now quite critical.

All this madness which is happening there is connected with the declared 'war on terror'.

I wrote on another blog:

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Where are the real terrorists living?

The country, which has been tens of years using terror methods against other countries - that is of course the United States of America. That is the country, which is torturing prisoners, spying its own citizens, starting wars with pretexts created by its own secret services.
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The present administration is getting clearer and clearer with their main stand. They are not going to held the previous administration accountable for the crimes already known and not going to order any investigations to find out more possible crimes.

They seem to be going bad ways. The present administration has already expanded the first war started within the declared 'war on terror'. That war has put two million people on the road as refugees. People are being killed there every day.

In my opinion the most important things to do first are to get the war stopped as soon as possible and to get free people illegally jailed. Court cases against the people who started it, the whole madness of 'the war on terror' could wait.

We cannot get back the people who have died. It would not help if people like Bush and people behind him would end behind the bars.

If Obama's 'change' and 'looking forward' would now go on with stopping the war in Afghanistan and in Pakistan I wouldn't really mind if Bush or even the others behind him who really started it would stay free. That is my deal I would offer.
Dennis,
Great post. My hope is that what starts as a narrow investigation will blossom into something far more reaching. That way Obama can claim that it was out of his control.
Roger: The stakes in this matter are just about as high as they can be. As I put it at the beginning of an essay of mine called "Tugging on the Torture Thread:"

Chris Floyd writes at Empire Burlesque “The Fatal Thread: Torture, War and the Imperial Project:”

“You cannot disentangle the torture program from the war of aggression in Iraq – nor from the illegal wiretapping program, the corrupt war profiteering, and all the other degradations of liberty and law that have been so accelerated in the past eight years. They are all of a piece, part and parcel of a plan to expand and entrench America's ‘unipolar domination’ of world affairs with a thoroughly militarized state led by an unaccountable, authoritarian ‘Unitary Executive.’

“This is one reason why Barack Obama is so obviously reluctant to tug on the torture thread too hard. If you tear it out, with full-scale prosecutions and top officials locked up behind bars, the whole rotten skein would fall apart. Once you start genuinely subjecting government officials – including security apparatchiks and military brass – to the full extent of the law, there would be no end to the unraveling: senators, contractors, representatives, bureaucrats, generals, lobbyists, judges, corporate chiefs – the whole edifice of Establishment power would be shaken to the core as its leading lights went down, one after the other.”

Floyd is right. The magnitude of the crimes and precedents set by the Bush regime is so immense, so deep, and so foul that, like Hercules, you’d need the Alpheus and Peneus Rivers to clean these Augean stables. Obama dare not tug on the threads of it too much or the whole cloth will unravel.

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That is why the level of mass struggle to demand accountability must be very high, determined, and protracted. Hannu's got the right spirit in his comment that the situation's extremely urgent. Jill's pointing to the streets.
Fuck! You took the words right out of my mouth. (RATED! HIGHLY).

This is sadism. It is sanctioned sadism. This article made my stomach turn and I started to cry. Thank you for saying it.

"Those who can not remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
-George Santayana ,

If we don't look backwards, we will never have an evolved view when looking forwards.

I am not going to defend Barack Obama's choice in changing his position on transparency. While I believe in incrementalism in principle, I think a separate judiciary committee could have been easily set up to evaluate what occurred without making it his full responsibility (and ultimately putting his life in serious danger - as he would be investigating those who are seen to protect him). I will say it is not only his failing though - it is our collective failing, and it has been repeated over and over and over again. Nixon, Reagan, and now GWB. And, these are just the big ones. All in the name of national security I might add. Yes, national security as long as we have the upper hand.

We are a citizenship I fully believe which has lost its collective way...not as individuals per say, but as a whole. When we would rather read about what get's the most "hits" rather than the atrocities the leader of the free world enacted, we are lost.
"Reasonable doubt" seems to include everything that is not strictly contradicted by the laws of physics in this case.
Kate: the irony here is that in the name of nat'l security our government has carried out the most egregious policies and these policies have exacerbated our insecurity because they foster anti-state terror and involve sacrificing the lives of American soldiers called upon to commit atrocities upon non-Americans. Of course, this isn't an irony in that the policies are in fact purposely designed to do just that in order to justify the national security state.

Norwonk: even the laws of physics can be bent if politics demand it! : )
Dennis,

Oh, I understand. You're preaching to the choir there. All you have to do is take a look at our "foreign policy" from outside the US to see how heinous it is. It is a cycle of madness to say the least (not to mention lucrative to those at the top).

This is gut wrenching.

I'm in agreement - I am just adding that scapegoating one individual is not an answer I fully align with. It is a collective responsibility...thanks for your piece.
Kate: good choir! Thanks so much for your comments and activism.