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DECEMBER 17, 2012 8:13AM

Not a flame war here in a long time...

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It's interesting to note that Open Salon has not been plagued by a dust-up or flame war in a very long time. 

Meanwhile, just by contrast over at the "other place" on December, 8th the two posts in the top 5 focused on dust-ups and flame wars at the site:

 

FLAME WAR
 

 

 

 

 

"The New Open Salon" ...flame- and dust-free!

 

 

 

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Whatever you do, don't tell anyone at Our that OS is working better now. A long way from perfect - but better.

;-)
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Sky, thanks for the nice comment and I will add that they've found their place in the sun over there at Our Salon and my guess is most are staying there for good!
Looks as though some will post in both places...although I will stick here for now.

Dust ups and flame wars can happen in the best of forums...and hopefully can be kept to a minimum. Nothing ever really gets accomplished when that crap goes on.

In the meantime, the forums provide a place to discuss things in a unique way. Putting one's words into writing rather than just doing the oral discussion thing makes for a more meaningful exchange. The words and comments are there for all to see...so "I never said that" to fall back on.

I had trouble getting on this morning, but the place truly does seem to be working better right now. Whew!

Hope all is well.
Ha!
Funny post -
For me, it's just about a site that works - and friends who have great blogs I can find and read easily.
Maybe it is flame war-free over here....and rate free, practically comment free and blogger free, as well. It wasn't too much flame war over there, either, more establishing space for chat.
Got here after three "error" tries and 4minutes load time -- why I'm not here anymore.
Hey John . . no reason why we can't participate at open and our both is there? I mean, besides that open barely works.

Walter Blevins posted a comment at "orphans of opensalon" on facebook. You do understand WHY there is such a group at facebook, right? Anyway, he said . . .

"It's days like this when I miss Open Salon. Used to be that when a tragedy like the shootings in Connecticut would occur that the site would be full of posts with the various perspectives of writers ranging from umbrage to sophistry to shared grief all making for interesting reading, commentary and dialogue."

I replied: "I don't get the allegiance (STILL) to open salon that let the place turn to shit, then thumbed it's nose at our collective pleas. What's this about OUR being an upscale cocktail lounge Walter? Holy cripes man, my hillbilly ass hangs out there every day. It WORKS people.. and FAR better than open EVER did... so what exactly is the problem?"



And John, in fact there were.. ARE . . lots, of great pieces posted at Our (on the massacre tragedy), many by the same people who WOULD HAVE posted them here, IF the place worked.

I have 500 plus posts archived at opensalon, along with all the great comments. I was as loyal as can be to opensalon. I loved it, even, until they broke my heart . . . a slow extremely painful heartbreak.

I see you've been lurking, and have attempted to find flaws, i.e. "dustups" (very weak dustups if I may... nothing compared to say, the Fusun Atelay dustup of August here at OS). Why exactly the hard attitude towards OUR, which was created exactly because Salon let this place die (or at least nearly)? It's a beautiful thing. Come on over and be welcomed with open arms.
It's all about the community, not the sites...I'll keep posting at all ten places I post(FOXNEWS.COM, I LOVE YOU MOST OF ALL!! :D)
@ Just Thinking

...why I'm not here anymore.

You read the thread OP...you commented on it...

...and you include a comment like this???

I don't get it.
Open has always had an active systole & diastole about it. That great expansion 4 years ago made some leave right away. More left when the sheer numbers involved in appreciating and commenting upon others' work reached into the Malthusian. There isn't any one definitive reason for these recent departures save for the site's current inability to sustain chats. I believe not everyone here is here for that reason. The place grew so huge that grouping has become a necessity. You cannot visit everywhere and still be plausible. A good essay deserves a thorough read. A great photo deserves a good linger at full screen. A poem begs you to decipher, and that takes some time. I'm not a good multi-tasker, so my preference is not to have the comment notifier going off every few moments and not to check up on my comments' responses obsessively. Fortunately for the community, I don't make rules, save for me. There are two sides to a compliment: I respect the comment and the person who gave it, and the flip side of the coin. Similarly, two sides to a criticism.

I think Our Salon works for the same reasons as does fictionique and the rest. They have a manageable size and a feature set reminiscent of Open in its better days.

I didn't get the "work action" part of the migration until I went back and read everybody's farewell posts. Guess that makes me a scab.

Because I'm posting here, I'm commenting here. It has a certain logic to it. I don't get why everybody who is "never" coming back drops by to rub salt in our server troubles. Anyone who disagrees with me is a complete idiot (just teasing).
Open has always had an active systole & diastole about it. That great expansion 4 years ago made some leave right away. More left when the sheer numbers involved in appreciating and commenting upon others' work reached into the Malthusian. There isn't any one definitive reason for these recent departures save for the site's current inability to sustain chats. I believe not everyone here is here for that reason. The place grew so huge that grouping has become a necessity. You cannot visit everywhere and still be plausible. A good essay deserves a thorough read. A great photo deserves a good linger at full screen. A poem begs you to decipher, and that takes some time. I'm not a good multi-tasker, so my preference is not to have the comment notifier going off every few moments and not to check up on my comments' responses obsessively. Fortunately for the community, I don't make rules, save for me. There are two sides to a compliment: I respect the comment and the person who gave it, and the flip side of the coin. Similarly, two sides to a criticism.

I think Our Salon works for the same reasons as does fictionique and the rest. They have a manageable size and a feature set reminiscent of Open in its better days.

I didn't get the "work action" part of the migration until I went back and read everybody's farewell posts. Guess that makes me a scab.

Because I'm posting here, I'm commenting here. It has a certain logic to it. I don't get why everybody who is "never" coming back drops by to rub salt in our server troubles. Anyone who disagrees with me is a complete idiot (just teasing).
Frank, I haven't written a post since June -- that's how I meant "not here anymore."
I never really got the hang of Our, but I do like the Red Room. It's funny though. Somebody there posted a lament about not being able to get in or on for five hours the other day. It could just be that the number of folks wanting to write far outweighs the fragile sites they are on - and it's probably only a matter of time before it's an issue at Our too.

I'm happy here - must be something to do with my lack of self-esteem.
Not a new cover here in a long time either.
Not an updated function here in a long time.
Not many new conversations here in a long time.


but hey.. thanks for the pot shot in our general direction.
So you had to save that screen cap for 10 days, until Open was stable enough for you to be able to make this post? It's way out of date and there never was a flame war - just a reminder to be civil to each other in chat.

Of course it's hard to sustain a flame war here when it can take 30 minutes to make a comment.

You don't have to lurk - and just how long did you have to wait to find a screen cap that you thought would make OurS look bad? How many hours/days did it take you? Anyway, lorianne will be glad to approve an account for you.

You know, no one on OurS is happy about what Salon Media Group has allowed Open to become. We just won't put up with it any more. WE are the community - not the site - and we have moved on.

For the sake of those who choose to stay here, I hope it really does get better.

Nilesite - how much did you really try to use OurS? How much of a chance did you give it?
Can't help thinking ... that flames need oxygen ... even flames that flicker ever so quickly away as voices are spoken and can be heard ...

Oxygen ... how fleeting it has been and may still be here ...
even as some ... still come ... perhaps hope ... and listen ... here ...

Not really sure what is meant by having saved an image of one piece on another site, which, it is not mentioned here, was so quickly taken down ... because voices had been spoken and thoughts made known ... and then ... let go ...

Perhaps it is about belief ... and hope ... and trying to start again ... where oxygen flows free ... and care and voice ... feel safe ...

Perhaps it is worth remembering ... that flames here ... flamed ... because voices ... hearts ... often ... cared ...

Flame free ... oxygen free ... here ... while some of us still hope to breathe ... but ... breath will seek ... air ... to breathe ... and thank goodness ... someone has tried to offer ... air ...

Here ... will air find its way ... one wonders even as one hopes ... if only for work already here ...

Thank goodness ... someone here who cared ... has offered air ...
elsewhere ...
PLUS....a huge shout out of gratitude must go to Lorianne at OurSalon -- she is there for the bloggers like a moderated site ought to be -- listening and making OurSalon the nicest place, not making snide remarks like "strapping on armor" (as Jake did) when she has something to say.
One feels heard and appreciated and *respected*with Lorianne around -- she's great.
Lorianne is a big reason I hope OurSalon's bloggers feel like making that place Home rather than temporary refuge.