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JANUARY 10, 2011 10:54PM

The Hypocritical Left And Arizona

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You knew it would happen. I didn't even watch the coverage until much later in the day after the Tucson shooting but I knew how the media would paint this one: it's the fault of the Right Wing!!

Honestly, when I did start to watch some of the clips that were out there in the MSM I thought at first that it was some kind of joke. They could not be serious. Could they?

Apparently all of the following people are responsible for the shooting that took place in Arizona: Sarah Palin, Conservative Talk Radio, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sharron Angle. Did I miss anyone? Don't worry. If I did, and they are Conservative they will soon be added to the list.

What I find very interesting is that few have actually blamed the SHOOTER. I heard one Congresswoman say "Guns kill!" Really? All by themselves they kill? You know I've had guns in my life for as long as I can remember and I can't remember a single incident where a gun just decided to get up and go kill someone.

Probably the most hysterical accusation that I heard came from Eugene Robinson at the Washington Post. Paraphrased he said that there is no doubt in anyone's mind that ALL of the hate-filled rhetoric has come exclusively from the Right Wing for many years now. This guy calls himself a journalist? What a joke.

It is very interesting to watch the fantasy world that has been created to accompany some of these statements. I like to call it "situational blindness." The Liberals/Progressives or whatever they are calling themselves these days can't seem to think of ANY angry or hate filled rhetoric that has come from the left. According to some the Left has been very "quiet" since the incident at Kent State. Yeah, ok.

Really? So I guess that movie that was made a few years back that actually illustrated the assassination of President George W. Bush was just a big joke. Right?

Or how about Air America calling for Congresswoman Michelle Bachmann to not only slice her writs open but in the words of the host: "move that knife up about 5 inches first." Or telling Glenn Beck that he should just commit suicide now and get it over with. As a matter of fact"do it live on the air."

As a matter of fact if you need a little reminder of just how MUCH Leftist, hate-filled rhetoric has beeen spewn over the years you can check it out here where Michelle Malkin put together a very nice collection of some of their greatest hits: 

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

The FACTS are that this was an unfortunate incident that MAYBE could have been  prevented had someone stepped in and offered to help this kid. This kid is menatlly ill. If you haven't already seen his YouTube videos then you should. One look and you can tell that he is not right. 

Now we find out the MANY peole knew about it and did nothing. You want to ban guns? Why? do you really think that he would not have found another way to do what he intended to do? Let's not focus on the instrument here but on the perpetrator.

Quite frankly, the display from the MSM to blame EVERYONE but the shooter has been disgusting to behold. We now have members of congress that want to BAN SPEECH and BAN SYMBOLS? What? Increase security if you need to but banning speech will only make this situation worse.

If you give people NO other outlet but violence to get your attention and to air grievances then you will get violence. Much more violence.

The ousted Dems and those in the MSM talk about "uniting" our country and "bringing us back together again." Well I say then they need to practice what they preach. Blaming the GOP and threatening to ban speech is a really good recipe for causing MORE division, not less.

This very disturbed young man committed a crime. Let's let the rule of law deal with him the way it was intended to. For once we need our reps in Congress to THINK before they act. 

In closing I would like to offer my condolences to the families of the victims who died and I continue to pray for the recovery of those who survived. 

In the words of John Green, the father of the youngest victim 9 year old Christina Green: "We don't need anymore restrictions on our freedoms." "If we live in a country like the United States where we are free, we are subject to these things happening." "It's the price we pay."

 Ironically, in a time of great chaos and uncertainty, his words of wisdom can speak to us all.

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But the right wing media is blaming the left... so they're both full of shit right?
Anyone who blames anyone but the shooter is doing exactly what they are blaming the other side for doing. It's ridiculous to watch.
I am not sure I get you here. Is there no social climate of hate in the U.S. or is the left fomenting a social climate of hate in the U.S. ?
The fact that this guy had a leftist slant is lost apparently on those that are blaming the Right Wing. The fact is he was mentally unstable. It would not matter WHAT political ideology he followed, if any. This is not a rational man we are talking about here. Why are we surprised when an irrational person commits an irrational act?
Trying to suggest Mr. Loughner has a leftist slant is kind of desperate, but I can't argue with the rest. Oh by the way, I think it is equally desperate to suggest he is a right-winger.
It's obvious that the promiscuous gun culture of Arizona where anyone can buy an automatic assault weapon without a permit is in good part to blame. Between 1994 and 2004 it would have been illegal to buy a Glock that Jared Loughner bought, but Bush II let this gun restriction law slip for his buddies at the NRA.

I would have liked to have seen Loughner kill 6 and wound 13 with a samuri sword. Somehow, I don't think it would have happened.
You, of all people, with your constant "keep your powder dry" delusions that the Tea Party represents Founding Principles that may have to be defended with arms if elections are insufficient to produce the "Right" result...now seek to distance yourself and the Tea-lusionals from a real world view of what a "second amendment solution" looks like.
I can't blame you, I guess. It must be terrible, on some subliminal level, for you to see how ugly and dis-American some of your major beliefs are.
Shooter was stopped when he attempted to reload! Smaller clip equals fewer dead and wounded. How can you say gun laws would have no impact?
Old new lefty and Paul-I have no intentions of backing away from my 2nd Amendments rights. I STILL think that if arms need to be involved to take back the country from those that would do us harm then so be it. However, we are talking about a deranged individual here who was going to stop at nothing to accomplish this mission. As a matter of fact he could have just as easily taken a car or SUV and plowed through the crowd at a high rate of speed. or he could have used explosives to do what he wanted to do. You can't rationally justify the actions of an irrational person.

I'd be willing to bet that if you tabulated the number of deaths from guns during the 1994-2004 period and the number of deaths from automobiles in the same time period you would be surprised at the findings. Let's ban cars.
I heard that one of his classmates said he was a pot-smoking lefty. That settles the matter for me!

I don't want to ban guns, but I do think we'd all be safer if people like Loughner couldn't get guns.

Please don't link me to Malkin. She is one of the all-time great haters.
Rated with enthusiasm.
Comments like this are beginning to resonate with the public, which is coming to realize how vile is the effort to utilize this tragedy for political purposes.
Anthony-His friends called him "Lefty" and he was known to have liberal views. He counted amongst his favorite books the communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf. Clearly he was a disturbed individual so his ideology plays a very minor role in any of this. However, the attempts to paint him as some Right Wing extremist are not only wrong but they are ridiculous.
The unfortunate father of the 9-year-old girl surprisingly has had the best advice for us all: "If we live in a country like the United States where we are free, we are subject to these things happening." "It's the price we pay."
Would banning guns make guns go away? Let's see...did Prohibition get rid of alcohol? Has our decades old prohibition on marijuana made it go away and really, has any of his to do with a very unstable, ill man who would have found any way, (legal or not), to do what he had planned to do?
Let's not make this into an excuse to punish everyone by taking away constitutional rights. Let's take this as an opportunity to look into our failing mental health system. Let's take this as a sign that we need to engage with our neighbors and coworkers; our students and our children. Perhaps we've fostered the attitude of all work and no play and have forgotten to pay attention to people in our lives and have been missing the clues to those who are crying for help and perhaps even those that need institutionalized.
Let's not take this as an excuse to point fingers politically or fundamentally. Rather, we need to realize that we live in a free society where we already have a system of checks and balances that will punish those who have broken the law. Isn't it naive to think that we can prevent every crime by passing a new law?
Liberals made a very bad choice in their decision to attack Conservatives instead of allowing the Tragedy to calm down and all of the facts to settle. Ultimately, this will cause the wave of violent Liberal rhetoric to bounce off the shore and swamp their boat completely. America spoke in November and this was the last thing Liberals should have done. If the Democrat party is going to survive, they need to dump the progressives.

I still say, this could very well be a third party instigator, such as a lone Anarchist, that wants violence to erupt in America between Conservatives and Liberals. Anarchists are just waiting and drooling for this to happen.
The way that some have tried to spin this tragedy for political advantage is appalling, with the MSM playing right along (at first anyway). Also appalling, scary actually, is how so many on the Left seem incapable of looking in the mirror when passing out blame for our overheated political culture (while, I might add, throwing around epithets like "tea-lusionals," "rightards," and "tea baggers").

I'm not a fan of guns; methinks we're a little too fond of them in this country. Nonetheless, they are legal and I take the Second Amendment to mean what it plainly says (though states do have leeway to regulate guns, I believe) . Moreover, guns shouldn't be the primary focus here.

The first question we should instead be asking ourselves is how Loughner was left floundering alone until he quite predictably hurt himself or someone else? Then, only after that has been answered, how was he able to buy a gun, ANY gun? Surely we don't believe that people as sick as this young man is should have guns, do we?

Overall, a post with sound points. Rated.
Thanks for the link to Michelle Malkins priceless list of hate-filled, violent rhetoric against Bush, Palin, the Tea-partiers and more. So when they talk about censorship, it's for everybody else but themselves.
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. Your argument that automobile deaths exceed gun deaths is a classic non sequitur. Deaths from automobiles are generally the result of accidents. Automobiles are unlikely to be effective instruments for homicides for all of the obvious reasons. I might also add, that, under the laws of all fifty sates, driving is a privilege and not a right; drivers and automobiles are heavily regulated, registered, and there is usually a requirement for insurance - to compensate victims of negligence. Would you be willing to accept similar licensing, registration and insurance requirements for guns?

By the way, the sue of the word "crap" to dismiss an argument is another fallacy of logic.
Since you never cite any claims you make I will assume you are referring to Mr. Loughner's High School friends. High School was over for Mr. Loughner several years ago and it's not like he registered Democrat or something. Nothing I have heard indicates this young man is anything other than a cafeteria radical taking a little from this group and a little from that. Your attempt to say the books, The Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf, indicate left leaning is to indulge in exactly what you claim to be decrying. You say he is a loon and no one can say he is right leaning, then turn around and bring the most tenuous and gossip laden news to say he is left leaning. Seems like hypocrisy to me.
Kudos to everyone for rating and praising this post, which scolds a certain group for politicizing this issue, while politicizing this issue. God Bless America!
Pertaining to the gun quotes in here. I am a staunch advocate for the right to bear arms. I have my CCW and went through my classes and background checks to get it. I practice safety and take as many classes as I can along with going to the range on a monthly basis.

That said, this guy should not have had a firearm. There were way too many warnings with way too many organizations that went unheeded. One thing I would be for is tighter regulations on making sure someone is not having serious mental issues before allowing them to own a firearm.
I was going to comment on the "keep the powder dry" post but glad to see Paul caught that one.
birdog
Funny, Stellaa, I don't recall hearing Jared scream, "Sarah Palin," as he opened fire on his victims.

The delay in identifying the obvious in the Ft. Hood murders was extraordinary, with one MSM after another pleading the public not to "jump to conclusions." Nothing close to those pleas for restraint was forthcoming last weekend from your neck of the political woods.

I fear you're riding a very lame horse on this one.
Stella-I promise you that the next time a Muslim commits an act of violence that is NOT pursuant to his Jihadist ideology I will give him the benefit of the doubt. I have yet to see that though. Thanks for stopping by.
sg2292-He fired about 31 rounds from the reports that I am getting which means I guarantee you he reloaded at least once. Anyone who is trained with firearms can reload in a matter of seconds.
zencherry-Thank you for stopping by and for your insightful comments.
Tommy and Rob-Thank you for stopping by. I agree that the Liberals/Progressives, etc might want to back off and soon before they overplay this hand. However, I think it might be too late for that.

I also think that this Sheriff that is making the rounds out there by blaming EVERYONE but the shooter is hiding something. Me thinks he doth protest too much. I have a feeling they will uncover that they knew this guy was dangerous and did nothing. That is why they are trying to deflect the blame now.
Jeanette-I have no intention to exploit this for political gain. I think I made it plain that the ONLY person that should be blamed here is he shooter himself. However, the same cannot be said for others here on OS who are currently wrapped up in how many posts they can get on the front page. The frenzy has begun.
Gordon-Thanks for stopping by and for your comments.
"I also think that this Sheriff that is making the rounds out there by blaming EVERYONE but the shooter is hiding something. "

I posted on this a couple of days ago, but it has yet to receive its first comment. Oh, woe is me!

Keep up the good work.
Gordon, you're honestly surprised that you get no comments on most of your blogs? I think a little serious self-reflection might be in order. (Of course, if you don't care whether or not you get comments, that's fine. But then, why mention it at all?)
Another exhibit to my argument that liberals, as a rule, are a humorless lot.
Djohn - shooter had a 30 shot clip! Did you read anything about this other than opinion? Guy was subdued while reloading.

Based on the aforementioned facts, fewer people would have been slaughtered if 30 shot clips were illegal. Why do you believe a 30 shot clip for a handgun should be legal? Is there any useful purpose served by a handgun with a 30 shot clip beside wholesale slaughter?
sg2292-What I am trying to tell you is it makes no difference. If you are skilled with a firearm you can fire a very large amount of rounds in very little time. The reason he did as much damage was because of the range of the shootings which were point blank. It's hard to miss for anyone at that range. Look, if you outlaw 30 round clips do you think you can't get them? Do you think people are going to worry about breaking the law if they already PLAN to break the law by shooting at someone? Outlaw them if you want. That will only make them go underground.
We don't have a gun problem in this country, we have a people problem. Then again, you can't legislate crazy.
Isn't it funny that for 3 straight days now talk radio has been alla twitter about, " don't blame us. don't blame us we're just the poor right wing victims here, don't cha know."

You'd think that they were the ones that were shot from all the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
So, stop blaming us. Problem solved.

Obama's brave three little words last night, "It did not," will hopefully silence all the opportunists who chose to use an epic human tragedy to score cheap political points.