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Linda Shiue

Linda Shiue
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I am a physician and spend my free time with my husband and kids, reading everything in sight, eating, traveling, and cooking meals inspired by my travels. These days I'm spending more time at my food blog, spiceboxtravels.com. Please visit me there and follow me on Twitter @spiceboxtravels. Disclaimer: Health information presented here is not intended nor recommended as a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Always seek the advice of your own physician or other qualified health care professional regarding any medical questions or conditions. © 2010-12 Linda Shiue. All Rights Reserved.

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JANUARY 20, 2010 9:27AM

When NOT Composting Leads to Divorce

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An article in this week's Science section of The New York Times brought up a topic which I found amusing and at the same time could identify with. The subject matter was "green disputes," where there is a mismatch in a couple in how "green" each person is.  Apparently, therapists are seeing a rise in couples in whom this is the primary cause of marital conflict.  The author quotes a man as describing such a conflict with his girlfriend who "chides him for running the water too long while he shaves or showers.  And she finds it "depressing"...that he continues to buy a steady stream of items online when her aim is for them to lead a less materialistic life."

While one may think that there are bigger things to worry, or argue, about, maybe there is something here.  What seems, on the surface, to be a disagreement over superficial or politically correct matters- who is more environmental, who recycles better-- is actually the expression of fundamental beliefs or morals.  Does how much water we use, how often we drive, how well we sort our waste, actually communicate our philosophies about materialism, of how to live on this planet as an individual and as a larger part of society?

Possibly.  The author quotes Robert Brulle, a professor of environment and sociology at Drexel University in Philadelphia, who states that "he had seen divorces among couples who realized that their values were putting them on very different long-term trajectories.  Dr. Brulle stated, "One still wants to live the American dream..., and the other wants to give up on his materialistic consumption.  Those may not be compatible."

I can also see how this issue can actually be created by pro-environmental policies, which might create an environmental awakening of sorts. Where I live in Northern California, it is actually a fineable offense to sort your trash improperly.  In June, 2009, the office of San Francisco's Mayor, Gavin Newsom, explained the new ordinance: "According to the San Francisco Department of the Environment, if all of the recyclable and compostable materials currently going to landfills were captured by the city’s programs, San Francisco's recycling rate would soar from 72 percent to 90 percent... No fines are specified in the ordinance, but there is a cap of $100 established for residences and businesses that generate less than one cubic yard of refuse per week, which is the equivalent of six 32-gallon carts. Fines higher than $100 may still apply to businesses and to landlords of large apartment buildings who refuse to offer recycling and composting opportunities to tenants when feasible."

What are these "recycling and composting opportunities"? We are given three bins by the local sanitation agency-- one for trash, a second for paper/plastic/aluminum/grass recycling, and the third for composting. In the last several years that we have been using this system, it is amazing how quickly the average consumer can train herself into sorting.  It starts young too-- in a Mommy-and-Me science class I tried out with my then toddler-aged daughter, one of the "games" was a version of garbage sorting bingo ("Which bin does the coffee filter go into? That's right, composting!") Elementary school-aged kids, and even preschoolers, with their inflexible and very concrete minds, become excellent recycling and composting police.  Personally, I admit that I reflexively flinch if I am at a friend's house and see that they don't sort their trash.

So I can see how an individual might develop some anxiety around this issue, and by extension, how a couple which is poorly matched along these lines might find this a topic of disagreement.  Local author, Jen Pleasants, who describes herself as an "eco-anxiety ridden mother," wrote a self-help book, Bag Green Guilt, Five Easy Steps to Turn Eco-Anxiety Into Constructive Energy, in which she makes recommendations to alleviate this kind of anxiety about not being "green enough."  

I am not sure if green disputes and eco-anxiety are a Northern California/West Coast culture bound syndrome  or more universally found. I suspect the former.  But being "more environmental than thou" can clearly give couples something new to argue about.  Perhaps the time has come for one's environmental orientation to be another subject to discuss when pursuing a relationship, along with values regarding family, religion, and finances.


© Linda Shiue, 2010 

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I find, and I'm far, far from perfect, that a disregard for the society we live in goes hand in hand with an approach to other people that tends to be self-directed rather than accepting and expansive. As good a reason for a divorce as any. But sad.
Interesting. I think that the more green/ less green rift at face value isn't something that should be an outright cause for divorce; I believe that no two people will ever agree on anything completely or do something the same way... but, I DO think that how they treat one another about the differences in behaviors and opinions is a very reasonable cause for fighting or if it continues, eventually breaking up. Many people who feel strongly about being environmentally responsible take it as seriously as a religion, and you can bet your bippy that if someone was constantly mocking your faith or undermining your efforts at worship, there would be tension.
Two partners *should* be able to use communication skills to discuss and resolve differences in a mutually agreeable way, but it seldom works that way in reality. Ego gets in the way. One person gets preachy, the other won't be "told" what to do, both get their backs up, and communication breaks down. And we hope for world peace, despite the fact that we can't even communicate in our own homes. *sigh*
i also live in san francisco and it's amazing how second nature the sorting is and how jarring it is to visit relatives that don't sort at all (largely because there is no public pick-up for sorted garbage, but also because of apathy). it's really hard to know how to try and talk about it without sounding preachy. but really, in a country that gives such lip service to "community" and "values," how is it that so many (otherwise) good people are taught that being "environmentally minded" is an extra thing, as opposed to simply how one conducts oneself in a civilized society. i should get a gold star for reducing, sorting and re-using? i should feel smugly satisfied about taking public transport, eating local (which in california is pretty easy, i understand that's hard in other places) and conserving energy? i don't think so. it should be simply what's done, and there shouldn't be any over-tones of preachy if we talk about it. my wife and i aren't eco-crusaders, we're just normal people living our lives.

not really sure what my point is, other than your post resonated with me.
This is fascinating and so true! My ex-husband and I were on different trajectories. He chooses to live like a 3rd worlder in the United States and I prefer the American dream [along with 21st century technology]. The house we are soon to build will have all the things necessary to save energy and be smart, but I refuse to live like a Haitian in America - that comes down to neurosis, not political views. There will always be those compelled to live life less that furthers them and their country not at all. Rated.
This is funny and tragic all at the same time. I agree with Aunt Mabel. I lived it. My ex (oddly pictured tonight with me in my missing collar bone post) would save newspapers to the point of creating a health and safety hazard. He'd collect recycle but never recycle it. The house and garage overflowed to the rafters with these things and it became a huge nuisance. And Yep, he was a Northern California person. Love N. Cal and the people and agree with recycling but the point is to RECYCLE IT, not let it build up to the rafters in your house.

I left him. There were tons of other reasons, trust me. My next boyfriend recycled EVERYTHING. Let me rephrase that - SAVED everything. When we moved him out of his apartment I discovered he had moved probably 50 HUGE boxes of recycle to MY apartment. I mean huge like TV boxes. I had a small 2 bedroom apartment and the boxes filled the dining room, entryway and part of the living room. When he was away on a trip I took it all down to the recycle dumpster in our building but later learned people throw everything in there and it most likely became trash. Man, whatever.

I admit to getting really at the end of my rope dealing with men and saving all this cr*p - not actually recycling it. Where I live now there are no recycle efforts and I'm burned out after lots of recycle abuse. It's maddening but I'm not about to start stock piling it and burning a 20 mile round trip venture of gas each time I accumulate enough to fit into my little Miata, which isn't much. I eat a raw vegan diet (which my blog is about) and have almost no recycle to speak of, so I'm doing my share at a different end of the problem. Now there's something you can do to cut down on the landfill problem - permanently!
There are some people who are incompatible, and will find things to argue about. Whether it's composting or budget or hairstyles or childrearing, if they can't get over themselves and respect their spouse as an independent person capable of independent thought rather than an extension of their own selves/thoughts/ideas, their marriage is pretty much doomed to fail. And if they can't get over themselves enough to compromise in either direction, and make a real effort, then they don't have much hope, either.
I live in the middle of the country and I see that kind of eco-anxiety here on a smaller scale. My husband and I have minor scuffles over energy use and such, but I've met people who much more intense about it. I could see how that could break people apart, just like any other issue where one person is much more committed than the other.

Someone mentioned that they lived in SF and how jarring it was to visit other places where there's no sorting. The funny thing is that I live in a county in the middle of WI where recycling and sorting has been in place for a long time. When I visit my dad in a bedroom community of Phoenix, they don't have curbside recycling and no bins for drop off. That's always amazed me given their proximity to a huge metropolis. I've been to little towns in the south that have better recycling programs than his city. The one thing that SF has that I wish we had here was food composting. I know there's been discussion about it and I hope it happens.
Guilt fuels a lot of this conflict. Ever since I was a kid, you couldn't watch a nature show without the obligatory "...but the mighty cheetah has one implacable enemy...man" speech. Nowadays we are bombarded with a constant fusillade of news and images about how Americans are destroying the planet. Then people react to the guilt in different ways. Some people get neurotic, and some people, attempting to switch off the uncomfortable feelings, go to the other extreme and claim that the whole thing's a hoax and environmentalists are merely doing it for political power.

Although the deniers do have one, teensy point: if someone were a control freak or had codependent tendencies, the striving for environmental purity would provide a perfect excuse to control and shame the other partner.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that in our efforts to cleanse our environment, we shouldn't create interpersonal toxicity.
Thanks, all, for making this an interesting discussion.
Local governments, educational institutions, and workplaces should carry out environmental policies like the one described in San Francisco. If awareness and responsibility can not be created, I feel it needs to be forced.
Paige, thanks for finding this ancient post and commenting. Having seen how quickly and easily everyone- kids and adults alike-- has learned and adapted to "enforced" recycling/composting, I agree that it would be ideal if this model were replicated universally.