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OCTOBER 13, 2010 9:11AM

Mean [Little] Girls

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At first glance, 3 year old Rachel appeared to be made of "sugar and spice and everything nice."  With golden waves of hair framing an angelic face, she seemed to be a good candidate for a new friend when my little one entered preschool.  

Soon, however, it became apparent that Rachel would be not everyone's friend, but instead a mini Queen Bee.  Her pretty exterior attracted all the little girls in her class.  She kept a few in her inner circle, but ignored the rest, telling them, "You are not my friend."  She even developed a complicated system that allowed her an eager acolyte every day she attended preschool, based upon the various part-time schedules her classmates had.  "You can play with me on Friday, when Elisa is not here," she told one girl.  "But if she is here, you can't play with me."  The tears she provoked in other little girls didn't seem to bother her.

It would be a relief if Rachel were an "evil" exception, but it has become clear to me over the years that cliques and popularity contests, meanness and overt bullying start early, even as early as toddlerhood.  This is far earlier than most parents expect, years before the more often discussed cyber-bullying among teens begins.

Recently,  The New York Times reported research in child development which confirmed my casual observations.  The article cites several recent statistics:

-a Harris poll of 1,144 parents nationwide found that 67 percent of parents of 3- to 7-year-olds worry that their children will be bullied.

-of 273 third graders surveyed in Massachusetts, 47 percent have been bullied at least once; 52 percent reported being called mean names, being made fun of or teased in a hurtful way; and 51 percent reported being left out of things on purpose, excluded from their group of friends or completely ignored at least once in the past couple of months.

Social scientists didn't begin studying bullying until the last decade, so there are many questions remaining on whether there is truly an increase in bullying among young children or if it heightened awareness, and if there is more bullying, the reasons for this.  Possibilities that researchers have considered include an effect of earlier-onset puberty and influence of the media.  One researcher quoted, Tracy Vaillancourt of the University of Ottawa, expanded on this point: “The research literature on aggression is very clear that... it’s monkey see, money do.  Kids mirror the larger culture, from reality TV to materialism.”  And as we are all aware, TV these days may not provide the best role models.  Meline Kevorkian, another researcher, explained, “What we see as comedy is actually making fun of other people.”

Mirroring my observation that little girls at my daughters' preschool seemed more precocious than the boys at being bullies, were the findings of a study at Indiana University.  The research linked aggressive behavior to shows with stars deemed "socially aggressive."  Such shows included Disney's "Hannah Montana," superficially geared at teens but most popular with elementary age and even the under-5 set.  The study found that watching these programs increased the likelihood that girls, not boys, engaged in aggressive behavior.

Most frightening to me was the trend described by a Boston school guidance counselor, Erin Monroe.  She sees six year olds who are tormented for liking the wrong characters or shows "pulling their hair out, throwing up before school and complaining of constant stomachaches."  

Bullying is a serious problem, with major psychological consequences for children in their earliest stages of social development, when they are beginning to develop their sense of self-worth.  It is more than simply harmless "teasing."  Thankfully, public authorities advocate the importance of preventing bullying early.  Secretary of Education Arne Duncan discussed such efforts in elementary schools at a "Bullying Prevention Summit" in August.  This fall, "Stop Bullying Now!," a program developed by the Public Health Service, will target 5 to 8 year olds.  

I have seen a great example of a model whose aim is not simply "bullying prevention," but creating a positive school environment.  My children's school is a "Tribes Learning Community," an educational model which provides a positive environment for learning and social growth.  The goals are that children

-feel included and appreciated by peers and teachers

-are respected for their different abilities, cultures, gender, interests and dreams

-are actively involved in their own learning

-have positive expectations from others that they will succeed.

Four "agreements" are honored in a Tribes community, and children as young as 5 are able to remember, recite, and hopefully comprehend these tenets:

1) attentive listening

2) appreciation/no put downs

3) mutual respect

4) the right to pass

I'm curious to know what your experiences have been with bullying in young children.  Do you think this is a new or growing trend? Why do you think we're seeing so much bullying now? What have your local schools done to prevent bullying? 

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Pamela Paul, "Cultural Studies: The Playground Gets Even Tougher." The New York Times, October 8, 2010.

Public domain image:  Children playing with Campbell kid dolls. New York, New York , 1912 March. Creator: Hine, Lewis Wickes, 1874-1940. Library of Congress, Prints & Photographs Division, National Child Labor Committee Collection, LC-DIG-nclc-04210 (color digital file from b&w original print) No known restrictions on publication. 

 

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I know this will be an unpopular opinion. Babies and toddlers were not expected to conform to a peer-dominated world of strangers. in the past. Now many babies are enrolled in day care at age 2 months. No matter how good the teacher/child ratio, most of their interaction is with children the same age.
It is stunning to see Disney's Hannah Montana mentioned in the Indiana study. I thought I was being too analytical because I find the show repulsive. But maybe I am right about it. It is such an automatic to allow young ones to watch anything billed as "Disney" and be lulled into a sense of safety that may not be there. Five year olds have no business watching tween/teen shows for the very reason mentioned. Even my 15 year old exhibits "socially aggressive" behaviors (bickers, disrespect, judgmental about clothes and money, heightened sensitivity to social status, critical of other kid's physicalities) after watching that show.
I'm kind of torn on this issue. Part of me is overly joyous of an environment free of bullying, but at the same time I kind of wonder if we're also weakening future adults in keeping them away from anything that causes them to have to build a backbone. I always worry about that because we tend to try to protect our kids from everything, and eventually we won't be there to do that for them.
I never had much experience with bullying, either as a child or with my own children. The teachers aways seemed to do a good job of managing the classroom and making sure no one got singled out or shunned.

I was listening to a This American Life episode recently, where a teacher/education researcher put a rule into place -- "You can't tell someone they can't play with you." Such a simple rule, and the kids were at first quite offended and thought it would ruin all the fun of play time. I'll look for the episode and give you a link, when I get the chance. It was really fascinating.
I wish I had some advice. I don't ... just experience...
Seems to me boys fight physical, girls manipulate more emotionally. Seems to me if they [girls] have a strong, clear-headed (non-baggage carrying) role models(s), the chances of them bullying are less. It's a good foundation until the social and peer pressures take hold. Best of luck.
I find it hard to blame a single TV show for this kind of behavior. I remember both excluding and being excluded in elementary school. Chanting "tick tock/this game is locked/nobody else can play" on the playground, in the 70s, when we were all watching Gilligan's Island after school. I remember feeling guilty, I knew I was being mean, but no one caught us. I remember being on the other side, being the one excluded, and ending up in tears.

I'm not saying this behavior is right, or good. But I'm saying it's far older than Hannah Montana.

I think it's a growing trend that adults are beginning to pay attention to it. Not the behavior itself, but the attention.

Hasn't anyone read Laura Ingalls Wilder? Remember Nellie Olson? Remember how mean the girls were to each other, both as children and as teens in the later books? When Laura was the one dishing it out, she knew she was wrong, but she did it anyway (writing cruel poetry about the teacher, Eliza Jane Wilder).
I have a lot to say on this subject, but will try to keep it brief.

I'm sure people, incl. children, have always been mean. Pre-school is a modern invention however, so no real way to know how groups of 3 yr olds have acted throughout time.

Reality tv is also a modern invention--and observing bullying through that medium has become a hugely popular form of entertainment for school age children, teens & adults. The result? Bullying is taught to be hilarious, fun and likely to win you attention.

But not too many 3 yr olds are hooked on jersey shore (I hope!)

Rather, toddlers are wired to be selfish. Most (80%) boy brains are wired to physically go after what they want, while most (80%) girl brains are wired to apply emotions, psychology to get what they want.

A great book to read on the subject is anything by Joann Deak, PhD. It is her I am paraphrasing about how boy and girl brains are wired differently.
And it comes right back to the parents, who are not teaching their children to behave like decent, kind, caring human beings from the moment they pop out of the womb.....probably because the little ones are carbon copies of mom and dad. I'm really tired of everyone blaming television/movies/video games. All it takes is the flick of a switch by an interested parent to turn that stuff off. Better still are those parents who take the time to sit with their children and explain why certain behavior seen on the screen are not acceptable.
R
well done, Linda. Redstocking Grandma makes an interesting point that has been raised in the developmental literature. The usual family sibling rivalry has been extended into the child care environment. Even negative attention is, in itself, a possible positive.
Bullying has been around since people have been around. I cannot recall being bullied by a girl, or observing bullying by girls. I was the victim of a brute at the bus-stop and my 3 older brothers stepped in and stopped it.

I watched mimetalker's video about the class her grandchildren participated in, and it seemed to me the best idea for promoting respect and compassion and kindness. In the end, it is up to the parents to foster such attitudes, a teacher may only reinforce it.
I too found that NYT article interesting. Froggy makes a good point - and I can remember the bullying from at least 3rd or 4th grade on. However, it may just be my failing memory, but I don't remember anything like that in Kindergarten. Of course, Kinder was to us as Pre-K 3 was to my son...
I don't have personal experience with bullying but I grew up in a different culture upto age 12. My friends parents would would treat me (and vice versa) as their own in disciplining and showing right from wrong in values. We also had "Social/Life Skills" lessons in starting in elemnetary school which taught us all these values including respect towards elders, towards our peers and our own bodies.

Having taught in Canada, I have seen a lot of bullying and initially it was not as much recognized as it is today. My own son was bullied in elementary school and his teacher(s) did not want to recognize the problem. His father and I had to fight a lot with the school system which wanted to turn the problem around and blame it on my son calling him "unsociable", when he was really reluctant and frightened by the bullies around him. He became more withdrawn and we had to change school because of that reason until he found a teacher who knew how to excel his talents.

Bullying exists because :

1. Often "the blind leads the blind" i.s. children are left unattended to follow each other's example because their parents are too busy to involve themselves with what is going on .

2. They do not have good role models whether on TV or school and are misled into thinking that good behaviour is sissiness and aggressiveness is what gets them anywhere.

3. Lack of education. We need to educate our children not in band aid terms as problems arise, but provide them with a full program in social-life skills that teaches them to be decent human beings and carry positive values and self esteem. Bullies lack self esteem, and they think by exerting power or terrorizing someone else, they have control.

Rated.
Red-Stocking Grandma said it!
Society now expects for schools to "socialize", in addition to educating, their children. Since over-worked teachers don't have the time to do either job justice, our society is/has (been) devolving to a "Lord of the Flies"/law of the jungle model. Given our social dynamics it was inevitable.
(R)
RSG- I appreciate your input.

Bonnie- I see the parallel. Have you seen how little girls dress these days?

Linda- I miss the old Disney.

Duane- I do think there is some harm in so-called helicopter parenting, but I do think that the positive-reinforcement taught in the Tribes school community I write about here is about building a backbone, as well as respect for others.

Bell, that is the rule they use at the preschool, but clearly some need to be reminded more often than others.

Scarlett, I agree with you. Parents are not only role models, but correctors and teachers. Rachel's mom was not the nicest, either.

Froggy, Nellie O might have been the original, but there are so many more examples in today's culture.

caroline marie, thanks for the insights

Donna, as I commented on your post today, yes, parents have a lot to do with this.
Catherine, makes sense developmentally, in which case the preschools may need to take a bigger role (and ours tried to) in correcting these behaviors.

diana, I missed Mimetalker's video and will look for it, thanks.

Blue, I do think it is happening earlier. A disturbing trend, if so.

Fusun, thanks for sharing your perspective as a teacher- I was hoping for that.

Fred, I agree on time/resource constraints. But teaching proper social behavior is a prerequisite for a safe and functioning school environment. It should happen at home, but when that fails, it has to happen in school. Which gets back to the problem of lack of funding.
I think bullying always was and always will be. My daughter was bullied so much for being different(she wore hearing aids and had a speech impediment). One day a little boy chased her calling her names and telling her she talked funny. She ran into the bathroom, slipped and broke her arm. Did he get into trouble? Of course not. You would think that so many years later, things would change.
I saw that article! My son transitioned into a public first grade from Montessori Pre and K. He has an entire skillset based on peace-making, respectful conflict resolution and sense of community. I'm not sure how well it will translate in a busy public school setting where not everyone knows how to use a peace blanket and talking stick appropriately ;)

So far it's going well, but there is one second-grade girl who wields power over other kids by dictating inclusion/exclusion. I fame it like this for him: "No matter how she treats you, you always need to treat her with respect. If she can't be respectful to you, then I don't think she should have the opportunity to be your friend until she can be respectful." Another mom talks to her child about how he holds part of his heart back in the friendship with this girl so he doesn't continue to be so hurt.

What I found really interesting in the NYT article, and my anecdotal experience bears this out, is that the parents of the mean girls are indifferent to or even proud of the bullying. It seems like it's a heritable dysfunction bolstered by inappropriate media.
Christine, thanks for sharing. How terrible for your daughter.

AU, that transition from Montessori must be a huge one! Your approach is wise. And I do agree with you about the apple not falling far from the tree.
Preschool girls more combative than boys? Scary thought.

My son has been macho since birth, so no one (as far as I know) ever bullied him at Montessori and what followed. Nor did he bully anyone in his schools (as far as I know).

Wonder if the 3-year-old queen bee you describe will change. Keep an eye, Linda.
Great stuff here... I think bullying may have been worse in the past because now kids are told they don't have to put up with it and to tell someone, but who's to say? Kids are kids. The developmental stages are the same.
It probably is sometimes a reflection of the economic state. Kids who have a mother at home or who have a stronger relationship with their families are less likely, in my opinion and observation, to lash out.
Sometimes during bad economies, kids have to fend for themselves more since parents may have to work more hours or parents maybe more tired and say things they don't mean to kids more, making kids take out frustrated feelings on someone else.
It's a complicated issue.
What's sad and pathetic is that this happens in the adult world too.
Best Wishes,
Blittie
My experiences are pretty old, I got bullied a lot when I was young, so maybe 48 years ago. I was always the top student, very puny, dark, those were the reasons given to me by bad kids.

It started with my eldest when she was around 9 so about 25 years ago, she was too smart and too fat. It was a little to late by the time I figured out how you handle these types so she had a rotten childhood, but it's okay she has a lot of anti-depressants and is a real witch now.

My youngest got kicked in the head by a boy walking by in preschool about 25 years ago. I checked with the staff and they'd spoken with the parents and they couldn't find another school and blah blah. I told them I didn't care if they left the kid on the freeway and he was killed, I raised a huge stink and threatened to call an attorney, they tossed him.

I figured it out, I told them when this happens if the teachers won't help, find a way and and kick the crap out of the bully, knock them down when they aren't looking and keep kicking. My youngest is tiny and gorgeous (she used to be sweet) so she got picked on a lot too. When she got called taco and shoved in Jr. High, she did what I told her and really wailed on him, he went and beat someone else up next time.

She got kicked again by a soccer player with an "anger management" problem in high school, he'd done it before in school. Her boyfriend and a bunch of guys ran him off the road and kicked his butt too. He left her alone, but he's in prison for beating his girlfriend to death.

TV was very different, in every case the parents knew but mostly they are just bad people, it's not complex. They say all the right stuff but it doesn't interfere with their life, they only care what other people think so they lie, manipulate or bully their own kid when it interferes with their life. I've seen it so often I now understand. In most cases, they don't really care about their kids, which is heart breaking but you can't save children just because their parents are narcissists.

Neither my girls or I are very nice to that kind anymore, it doesn't seem to hurt the feelings of the bullies that much so we don't feel bad about it and in reality you don't need people like that, they can stay with their own kind and hold their own. Society, school and the law are not going to do squat. If they cross over into the goody groups, you need to squash these people from the get go, then you can afford to be nice to everyone else. War is ugly but that's what school has always been, there are simply a lot more selfish lazy adults. Kids will be monsters.
You know, I remember those kinds of girls from school. They were chilling. Great post.
Kids need to learn a variety of skills besides learning to not bully. There will always be bullies, but bullying can become less socially acceptable especially if part of the education involves all children learning to stand up for themselves and not to be afraid to stand up to others. Bullying can happen in part because bystanders are also afraid of being victims.
This is such an interesting post esp because children do seem angelic but often can turnip differently.
One of my younger brothers, with four older siblings, said that the way his three older brothers tormented him prepared him to cope with school bullying without any trouble.
Thank you all for sharing your experiences, painful as they are. Lots to consider.