Dorinda D.

Dorinda D.
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Orlando, Florida, United States
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May 20
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I teach writing at several universities. My two daughters are seven and 18. I adore my children, have trouble raising them, and you will read more about them than you care to. I am a professional cancer survivor. There is a lot more that I don't know than I do know.

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OCTOBER 13, 2010 10:33AM

My God Is Not a Pimp

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This morning . . .

I was running late dropping Tyler off at school because the gas tank was on empty.  I did not want to risk running out of gas in the drop-off line at her school so we were at the gas station.  Tyler was sitting in the front seat of the car eating a chocolate pop-tart and drinking some milk.  I was putting gas in the car with my mind a million miles away multitasking and daydreaming at the same time.

Will go to school office to sign in Tyler as tardy and reschedule appointment with Tyler’s at school speech therapist. Go by Panera for lemonade and takeout breakfast. Will grade paper set A, write summary response to discussion on reader rhetorical analysis, download paper set B for grading later this afternoon when I pick up Tyler to take her to speech therapy, will download paper set C to grade tomorrow while students are in peer review, have to remember to check on class I am mentoring, damn that means must make sure to participate today in discussion mentee is observing concerning reviews of exhibits at Library of Congress and will do that when Tyler is at McDonald’s  . . .  will I get to bed before midnight this week?  Friday’s coming.  It will be fun.  Get to see Seinfeld perform in Jacksonville and have dinner with a friend. Saturday breakfast at the River Market, drop by the museum to see film exhibit, spend time prepping for Jainism/Eastern religions philosophy discussion – have to post notes this time since I am starting to look like a lightweight during philosophy discussion group meetings, need to write blog on Great Game Afghanistan and there are links to the Eastern religion so maybe can combine research time or just give them Great Game blog notes.  Do I want to see the replacement comedian for Earthquake?  Love Earthquake and now it is someone called Cousin Tommy from the Steve Harvey radio program.  Who is Tommy?

 

Tyler opens the door of the car and runs back crying so I am stopped from drowning in my own thoughts.  She is worried.

Mommy. Mommy. The man is yelling at the lady. The man is yelling at the lady.  Make him stop.

 

The man is standing behind a pink mom mobile SUV with a Mary Kay cosmetics sticker on the back.  He appears to have been putting gas in the car when interrupted by a small woman carrying a very large leather bound Bible.  The man appears to be Middle Eastern and is wearing tennis clothes.  He IS yelling loudly at the small woman wearing church lady clothes of an out-of-style skirt suit. Her hair is carefully styled.  The small woman is wearing pantyhose and sensible heels.  She is not speaking but has a nervous smile on her face.  I have no idea what she said to the man but he is pulling at his hair and raising his arms to the sky when he makes a point.

. . . you actually believe that my God is a pimp!  That I want virgins in the sky when I die?  For you religion is like penicillin. [rolls up sleeve and pretends to give himself a shot]  You inject it and everything is fine. The infection is gone.  You want to give me your penicillin to fight an infection you don’t understand.  I am Iranian.  I fought against those extremists.  I left my country.  You think you can fix me with your Bible?  I don’t need to be fixed.  I AM NOT AN INFECTION AND YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR.

 

Tyler is holding my hand wanting me to do something.  I don’t know what to do. The man gets in his car, slams the front door, and drives off tires squealing as he passes the next door Sonic.  The woman begins to walk toward her car parked at the vacuum station.  She has the same smile on her face.  I don’t know what to say to her and we are late to school. This is a moment when I need to teach my child something and I got nothing.  The small woman gets in the car and sits.  She is not vacuuming.  She is waiting to witness.

Last Month . . .

I have learned to arrive early for the philosophy discussion group at the coffee shop because there is limited seating on the couches.  I am not yet fully healed from abdominal surgery and sitting on the chair with little back support for four hours becomes painful.  I am drinking a Sprite and checking out facebook on the netbook.  I am wearing a Doug Stanhope fan baseball t-shirt with “Fuck the Yankees” on the front.    A young couple is sitting on the couch across from me.  She is wearing a t-shirt with “Jesus Loves You” printed on the front.  It is around noon on Sunday so I guess they have come from church.  He is staring into space not responding as she goes through a large three-ring binder with OUR WEDDING PLANNER on its spine.  She asks him about the color of the invitations. He says, “Whatever.”  He drinks his coffee.  She goes on for some time about the musical choices for the wedding.  He says, “Whatever.”  He drinks his coffee. 

After a dozen “whatevers” the rest of the discussion group arrives and settles in around them. The betrothed couple doesn’t move and listens to the first hour of the discussion about the original philosophy behind the idea of a utopia and if such a concept is possible.  I am new to the group so I don’t say much until the discussion about Plato’s Republic elicits a response that of course the philosophers would need to serve as leaders while workers such as plumbers who do not lead would support the utopia.  I think this is one of the most elitist statements I have heard in awhile and pipe in,

We need plumbers. Without plumbing shit piles up in the street and we all die of disease.  Plumbers have been leading labor unions for a long time.

 

Uh-oh. Should not have said that.  Several of my friends in the discussion group look at me as if I had said tenure is not necessarily an inalienable right during a faculty meeting. They are a nice group of people all prone to reading rather than watching TV.   They are not confrontational and prefer civilized debate which I have violated.  Most do not identify as Christian and there are many members of the group who also belong to the atheist discussion group.  Several really are Socialists.  The betrothed couple has no idea they are sitting in the middle of a den of a dozen atheists with advanced degrees and a passion for debating the what ifs of life on Sunday afternoons.  I think they thought it was a Bible study group.

The soon-to-be bride sees my disagreement as an in to the discussion and asks if she can speak.  The moderator asks what she wants to say.  She  asks what church we attend.  I dunno. The kind where people wear t-shirts with “Fuck the Yankees” on the front.   She begins to witness about Jesus and the utopia that can be found when one is a believer.   This is gonna be painful and I am already in trouble for defending plumbers so I am not going to defend this young woman’s right to witness.  I get up to go the bathroom.  When I return the betrothed couple is gone.

 

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The aggressive evangelism you experienced, is it becoming more prevalent? Don't know how I have been so lucky, but the fundies from any religion who stalk the parking lots and cafes seem to take me seriously when I wave them off and say, "Not interested."
I'm glad to have read this. I am not an infection. My god is not a pimp. - This is a moment when I need to teach my child something and I got nothing. The small woman gets in the car and sits. She is not vacuuming. She is waiting to witness. -waiting to witness - wow. If my god turns out to be a pimp (I have suspicions) - he better be wearing a snazzy outfit - pointy shoes, lots of velvet and saturated color, rings and a mighty fine hat.
Ah, seems we are having similar thoughts these days. I wasn't proselytized this week though...
This moved me in a way I rarely feel coming from outside myself. "I am not an infection!" The incidents, both of them, stir a kind of rage in me that's been a lot closer to the surface of late because this has been happening around me, too, more and more, and it is intolerable. Tyler's reaction was appropriate, but she couldn't have known what set the poor Iranian guy off. I do, I understand, and I want to embrace that man. I want to scream at that woman. I want a Fuck the Yankees T shirt, too, but that's another story.

How do you maintain your equilibrium? Powerful, timely post. R.
Living one's life with integrity and in line with the values and beliefs one holds is the effective witness that anyone can have in my opinion. I think it was St, Francis who said something to the effect of: "Preach the gospel at all times, and if necessary, use words."
Witness schmitness.

WITLESS.

I yell at them like the Iranian, tho the only proselytizers I encounter are Jehovah's Witlesses every couple of years.
The number of people that feel that it's their god given right to indulge in "in your face proselytizing" is a function of their feelings of political desperation. I'd bet if you'd ask most of them they'd blame it on the "invasion" of the Muslims and the gays ::eye roll::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rixkck8QnjY

;~)
some of these people really scare me dorinda..
rated with hugs
Linnnn,
I must be an obvious lost cause because people rarely witness to me but I see it happen frequently.

C and V,
I am not sure what God would look like. I would go for his looking like Armand Assante or Benecio Del Torro if man is really made in God’s image ;0)

Oryoki,
I hope you thoughts are peaceful ;0)

AJ,
I have no equilibrium and spend a LOT of time on the edge of something.

TeaTom,
I love that quote.

Myriad,
Good play on words.

Safe Bet’s Amy,
The rise of populism and fundamentalism does seem to be based on economic distress. That makes me sound like a Marxist theorist and I don’t know if I want to sound like that.

Linda,
Lots of people scare me.
Aggressive, relentless promoters of The One truth are pains in the bum. Thanks for this. r.
To be honest...I was one of "those" people at one time in my life. yes, they are scary and now I run as fast as I can in the other direction. Could so relate to this line:
This is a moment when I need to teach my child something and I got nothing
As to Amy's comment--the economic argument does influence this ad @ you--don' be afraid to see in Marx some kerne's of truth. There are some.
I just want to say, this is a great post. Truly.

Best,
Li
@LaLicenciada
I just have twp questions for you: What do you know about the LDS Church and would you like to know more?
I'll break with the other posters and say that I'm not offended nor dismayed when someone tries to witness to me. . .at least no more than I am when someone tries to sell me pizza as I walk by a shop, or stops me on the sidewalk to hand me a coupon. It's salesmanship. I'm actually more concerned that people are so angry about believers reaching out to them. No, I don't swallow what they're selling, either, but I hardly see cause for the articulated venom with which some have replied to your blog. I wonder if sometimes we don't confuse multiple issues when we lash into those of faith, such as whether or not that person also loves Palin or believes AIDS is a disease rained down on us by a capricious and malicious god. Truth is, many have just as kind hearts and open minds as we claim to have in our house of smug.
Why people feel the need to share...their faith...is beyond me! R
Whatever happened to religion being someone's PRIVATE business? I don't want to know about other people's beliefs, particularly total strangers, any more than they should want to know about mine. This idea that I should respond favourably to someone forcing their beliefs on me while disrespecting mine -- whatever they might be -- puts me firmly in the camp of the Iranian gentleman. Great post Dorinda.
plato is vastly over-rated, the natural result of championing aristocracy. would-be aristocrats need all the intellectual underpinning they can get.

but at least he thought he was thinking. religious people, whether iranian or iowan, flee from reality, into self-hypnotic mantras, and in extreme cases must spread the word as a demonstration of faith. between plato and st. paul, it's really hard to get a thought in from logic land.
I'm pretty sure that God hates pimps, at least I do and would if I were/am God. All those beatings and all of that corruption of inoocence through manipulative and coercive measures.
If there is no God I still hate pimps.
Ya' know, if your little light isn't just lighting up the world so that everyone that sees you wants what you have, then who wants what you've got anyway? And if it is then you don't need persuasion.
(R)ated
P.S. apparently you are the friend that another friend said was going to Seinfeld with her...Hi homey girl!
btw, where i live plumbers are not strong on unions. as soon as they get their 'master' certificate, they set up as sole traders and join the country club. apprentices see this path to wealth ahead, so they keep quiet and don't talk about unions, either.
and btw, again, pimps come in a variety of guises, some are no worse than your average hollywood agent. in fact, those little boys touting for their elder sisters [who can't support their aged parents on what nike pay] are keeping the money in the family, and all fed. see, some pimps are lovable.
I wish I could find that Iranian man and compliment him on his wording. OK, maybe the shouting wasn't the best thing, but I can imagine this isn't the first time he's been associated by other people with terrorists and virgins in heaven so the anger is understandable.... But what a wonderful rant!

The small woman probably didn't have a clue about why he was so upset, other than that he was an unsaved heathen. In my experience, people who "witness" are so convinced of the correctness of their beliefs that they're really not capable of comprehending the offensive, insulting nature of what they are saying to other people.
Great post, Dorinda. When I have been accosted by the people who feel as though they are favoring me by providing me with information that will save me, I ask them quite calmly if they would like to hear about my God? They usually get the picture, but they are still very condescending and that makes me want to scream and throttle them until the Good Days are here. ;\
Thanks for writing this. I think that this sort of thing goes on everywhere and all of the time, even though I don't seem to see it, and it needs to be brought to our attention. Any kind of religion forced on anyone else is offensive. Actually, any kind of a belief system forced on anyone else is offensive, but that's another post.

What I wanted to say was: I would love to go to that philosophy discussion group with you. Where are you? Can I come next time? Will it help if I say that I wore a "I got Laid in Chicken Alaska" t-shirt to a family reunion once? Plus, my father was a union president. Honestly, what you need are some blue collar philosophers to go to that group with you. First generation removed blue collar workers (like me) help, but they aren't the real deal.
Interesting. Though there is a strong evagelical Christian prescence here, I have't seen the kind of aggressive approach taken by your gas station lady. Most of the folks here wait and take an opening to witness where one is offered in casual conversation and then drop it pretty quick if it's not welcome. I don't agree with what gas station lady is doing, and totally sympathize with the guy she was harrassing. However, she thinks she is saving people and is willing to risk being yelled at to do it. Probably she doesn't want to be a 'scary' person but believes it is the sacrifice she's called to make, for the good of others. Now if she would just channel that dedication and energy into feeding hungry kids or something...
There is no response to evangelists. They imagine that they have a G-d so weak that s/he needs their help. You were sensible not to talk to them.
Yep. You did the right thing...bathroom is always the best resource for religious disagreements.
I've had the same experience as Linnn, but I would say, "I appreciate your beliefs, but I have my own. Thank you, anyway."
I also really like what the Iranian man said, but maybe screaming his head off wasn't useful. I think we need to stop screaming at each other.
"My God is not a pimp."

I've had some back-and-forth on 'religious' threads at Opera Community that has been quite enlightening. It likely doesn't hurt that a Spanish scientist with whom I quip a lot tells about studying Christianity - in college - before Islam and continuing on to look at other faith systems. I have no doubt which of us is more 'mindful of God'...and I was raised a Preacher's Kid where it was background to living.
I have a bit of an advantage being raised in the era of Ecumenacism and from reading writings from many scientists of an appreciation of the universe that does not depend on perusal of tracts based on oral folk wisdom. And I was ordained an elder in the Presbyterian church at one point : though I have attended services of various denominations.
But it's true. God is not a pimp re: virgins...and he is not a pimp re: 'witnessing'. One caveat here : I do regard Jehovah's Witnesses as a cult of well-meaning people to whom I personally owe a debt of gratitude for their belief 'Faith Without Works is Dead'...as a beneficiary. So I'm neither cold nor offended...nor challenged.

It's functionally impossible for people to 'agree' on God. That should tell us a great deal right there. I do not have the conceit that my understanding of the universe is necessary to its proper functioning..nor do many others.

This link is to a POV listed in a multifaith site....and since that includes those pejoratively labeled 'atheist' and 'agnostic' I find their consensus a balm against the hatemongers.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chrcarddoc.htm