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I'm 45 years old, married for 22 of them, and the mother of 2 teenagers. I'm a software test engineer by profession, and rather geeky. I've spent almost my entire life in Northern CA.

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Salon.com
AUGUST 25, 2008 6:32PM

Here’s a radical thought: Public Schools Aren’t Bad.

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Just so you know where I am coming from; I’m middle-class, college educated, and so is Mr Fly. I have a professional career that puts me near the top of wage-earners who don’t come from families named Hilton or Bush. I am basically the demographic that should have been living out in the ‘burbs for the “good schools”, or sending my kids to private school to keep them away from the riff-raff (non-white, non-English speaking). I didn’t and they are OK.

 

My kids started school in a large urban school district, my coworkers who lived in the subarbsb were horrified, thinking that was basically child abuse. We have since moved into the country and my daughter attends the same rural high school that my son just graduated from.

 

OK, OK, I did send them to a magnet school, not the neighborhood school. After looking at both programs, I felt the magnet program was a better fit for my kids. It was still a urban public school with a predominately non-white population and predominately lower middle class and below. This school, according to conventional wisdom, should have failed like the USA 4x100 relay teams. It didn’t, it’s one of the top schools in California.

 

Why? Because every day, those kids showed up ready to learn. Their parents made sure they were there on time, fed, with adequate sleep the night before. Whether or not they spoke English, or had any money, they valued that education. There were very few “social” issues, even from the kids who came from the gang-infested neighborhoods. All the teacher had to do, for the most part, was show up and teach. And, ya know something? They did. Oh, sure some did it better than others, but they all did it. It was, according to several of the teachers and easy school to teach at, despite the cruddy ethnic/economic profile.

 

It’s been my experience, from my admittedly small sample size, that the public schools are actually doing OK given what they have to work with. If you go to school and want to learn, you will, simple as that. If you have ground down by grinding poverty and hopelessness, the schools can’t fix that.

 

I’ll put forth a radical idea: schools are not the problem, they are simply a reflection of the society in which we live. We don't value education. When the guy who went to Harvard is sneered at for actually having gone to Harvard, because he’s “elite”, what message are we sending? Tip: it’s not grow up and go Harvard. It’s not even grow up and go to college. Kids are smart, and they have seen right through us.

 

We say we want strong schools, but as a country we simply don’t have the intestinal fortitude to do the heavy lifting. We don’t want to fund the schools properly, we mock teachers and other educated folks. We don’t want to give each kid a leg up, because we really don’t give a shit, when it comes right down to it. Until we do, we can tlak all we want, but it’s not going to help.

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There is actually hard core Gallup data that says you're right
Of course I'm right! ;)

Thanks, Chicago Guy!
It’s been my experience, from my admittedly small sample size, that the public schools are actually doing OK given what they have to work with.
Ah, you should see some of the ones you didn't sample. ;-D
I do, however, agree with your main premise that we as a nation don't care. If we did, private academies and magnet schools wouldn't be doing such a brisk business. Well, maybe the magnet schools would anyone, who knows. But it isn't all on the system, and it isn't all on the teachers. We have a completely outdated educational structure, and that needs to change.
In Vermont, we are actively working on transforming education from the ground up, much like you might overhaul a computer program. We don't need to get rid of EVERYTHING - just the parts that don't work. We're even looking at non-standard learning environments (meaning, maybe a classroom isn't the ideal place to learn ;-D).
The time has come to invest in our children's future, because it is almost too late.
Bravo, Ms. Fly. I'm in the trenches and can attest to the data that Chicago Guy cites. Education is and always has been a microcosm of society at large. There are many, many dedicated teachers who fight to do the best job they can each and every day. We even work hard to motivate those who don't give a shit.

I'm so tired of those who criticize teachers from high up on their superior perches. Let them walk a mile in my shoes, then perhaps they would be qualified to critique.

Time to get to work - the "riff raff" will be streaming into my classroom any minute now.
Bravo, Ms. Fly. I'm in the trenches and can attest to the data that Chicago Guy cites. Education is and always has been a microcosm of society at large. There are many, many dedicated teachers who fight to do the best job they can each and every day. We even work hard to motivate those who don't give a shit.

I'm so tired of those who criticize teachers from high up on their superior perches. Let them walk a mile in my shoes, then perhaps they would be qualified to critique.

Time to get to work - the "riff raff" will be streaming into my classroom any minute now.
Thanks for the comments, Bill. Good Luck to Vermont and it’s efforts. It will be interesting to see, in the current political climate, how well it succeeds. My guess is that it will succeed only to a point, until society changes it mind about the value and importance of education. I want to be wrong.
Sierrasong, was I thinking of you and all the dedicated teachers when I wrote this. My kids have been in public schools now for 13 years, volunteering for most of the those 13 years, Mr Fly worked for the school doing the after school program for 6 years, and was president of the PTA, so we have had a considerable amount of involvement. During this time, I only met 1 teacher I would call incompetent, I know many more incompetent engineers than I know incompetent teachers.
I agree with a lot of what you say. I know that Chicago schools could be much better. A big problem is the entrenched bureaucracy and lack of parental involvement. It's frustrating, to say the least.