The therapist is in.

It never occurred to me for an *instant* that you or Dana had any problem standing up for your own damn selves.

But I'll be your cut man:)

It seems there's a mommy/daddy thing that goes on at OS where people can't just say "I didn't like your post" but they say "you shouldn't write about this, you shouldn't have said this, it makes you a bad person." I don't think that's really what OS is about. I never read Dana's piece because the title didn't interest me. I would have read it after I read your piece (and your title was funny) but she took it down. If you got me that kind of attention with a parody, I would like it. I like NyQuil too.

Love the Dennis Leary vid. :)

Thanks for the kind words. I know it was difficult for you. ;-) As I posted in your parody thread, I wasn't offended, I thought it was smart and funny, and it made me a fan of yours. I can certainly laugh at myself, and yours was a witty post. I don't care who your other online personas may be, or not be, I think you are talented and sharp.

I was, however, intrigued to discover that I had been diagnosed by some OSer as having low self-esteem. Heh...not that was funny. :)

And I didn't think for one second that you and I had any issues. In fact, I was surprised and amused to see the storm of controversy at which I was the center, but seemed to be uninvolved. It was odd.

Will, Latethink, Dana, thanks for coming by, but I am SO embarassed. Youtube somehow switched the vid I'd wanted to post here with the NyQuil thing, which, while it qualifies as a kind of therapy, wasn't exactly the point I was trying to get across. The problem has been rectified with the ACTUAL video I'd selected, and the healing can now begin.

And Dana, thank you for your condolences; the trauma I've been through recently has been beyond belief, and somehow I can't help feeling that it's at least partially my fault;)

I told a friend of mine today that I found it to be one of the funniest things I've read on this site....he just said it was too long.

Even better.

It makes more sense this way doesn't it?

:D

STFU indeed! I am so Tired of whinging fn proles that Think they're Something, Think they Know.

You rock on, Drew-Sill. Don't pay them no nevermind.

And Dana - hell, Dana is the Tits! But we all knew that, including the P&M's...

sheesharoni, the San Franblogger's treat. Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn. YOu and Dana both have my undying respect, and not just because you can both beat the chi out of me.

This whole thing may have longer legs than Dana...and that' saying something.

Now Drew darling...please listen to Dennis will ya? I know I am ...../

Huh? I missed it all! I am not planning to find out either, but from this post, I can see some people must have a fertile imagination...
I liked this post, and I like you, and I like Dana.
Rated.

Connie, JK, Marcela; thanks for coming by. I can't speak for anybody else, but the Leary Method of dealing with personal issues always works wonders for me:)

I took no offense to that post. None to this one either. And I love Leary, too. And I agree that we are a long way from gender, racial and many other equalities. We just have to keep working on it.

what mike said. and i'm shutting the fuck up now.

PFFFFFFT ON THE CRITICS!! RIP OUT THEIR ADRE...oh you already did that!

:)

Drew…

…I hope this doesn’t fuck with your head, but…

…I read Dana’s original post…and loved it. Frankly, I thought that while she was doing some serious commentary there, the thrust was, if not humor, certainly irony.

I laughed…and I wrote a response that I thought continued in the direction I saw the piece headed.

It wasn’t until I saw some of the comments in your thread (which I also thought was terrific and I laughed my ass off while reading) that I realized some people were really bothered by what Dana had written.

I still don’t understand some of the negativity…(just as I do not understand the negativity directed toward you)…but to each his/her own. I do know that part of my response in your thread kinda poked fun at an element of the female take on this whole issue.

I have known many women who do the “I intimidate men” bit on a regular basis. I use to be a bartender in go-go bars…and lots of the dancers were absolutely certain they “intimidated” guys.

And I was in Real Estate sales for almost three decades…and the Real Estate business is absolutely run by very dynamic women—some of whom make a big deal of the “I intimidate men” notion. (These are some tough broads, Drew. Real Estate is an extremely dog eat dog affair—and both men and women brokers can be obnoxious to the point of absurdity.) But every once in a while, when one of those women would mention that they intimidate men—my usual sweet, kind, considerate, thrifty, brave, trustworthy self kicked in, and I let ‘em have the benefit of my thinking on the subject.

“They ain’t intimidated!” I would say. “The reason they won’t have anything to do with you is because you are a cunt!”

Or short of that, I’d ask ‘em, “Is that your new broom parked in the vestibule?”

BOTTOM LINE: Good posts…both you and Dana. My feelings are that the “I intimidate men” is much over-done. In any case, I delighted in Dana’s post…and I loved your parody (or whatever it was) also. Anyone giving either of you too much grief really is dealing with something other than what you two wrote.

Fact is, however, the “I intimidate men” almost always elicits more laughs than nods of agreement—and unless one is looking for laughs, I think it is a poor road to travel.

dr. leary is the best therapist around. in finished Why People Suck a short while ago and was inspired. i'm so glad that you know that they idiot nay-sayers have no sense of humor and cruise around looking for people to attack and wouldn't understand parody if it bit them on the schlong, yes, ladies included. you had/have nothing to apologize for. that was a hilarious piece. those of us with humor and perspective know/knew that you were not bheing a bitch or jealous or spiteful or whatever. you were writing excellent parody. period.

this is the same shit as on tv when they are always claiming that women working together are having catfights constantly. i don't give a shit about the women on the view, who probably do fight all the time. but in many other scenarios also, this view is expressed. if a man parodies another man, no one yells "catfight".

shutting up now. i just think y0u're very cool, girl. love lvoe lvoe

I didn't know Dennis Leary did stand-up comedy. ???? He should stick with the television series.

Hopefully you guys are both all right now. Things flare up here on the OS, but they die down just as quickly if we stop feeding the fire. Sure sounds like there are no real issues between you anyway.

Nuff said.

Oh my gosh! I LOVE Dr. Leary!!!! "Life's hard, get a fucking helmet!" And this DVD - No cure for Cancer is a scream from start to finish!

Glad you made this post, the other made me wince. It wasn't much fun seeing Dana get so many shoes lobbed at her for her error in judgment.

In your comments to your last post, you made the comment that anyone who was offended by your post had the choice not to read it. Um... hate to be combative, but... how? How is a potential reader supposed to guess a post is offensive before reading it? Not to mention that speaking purely for myself, deliberately not watching a fight that I know is taking place doesn't make me feel better about anything.

Okay, granted, Dana's original post made my husband make a snorty noise with his nose. Granted, yours made a couple of valid points. If she'd been in on the joke - if there had been a disclaimer in your comments, for example, or any comment suggesting that Dana wasn't upset (she had taken her post down, but not commented, at the time I read yours) I would even have found it funny. But "Oops, I guess we pushed that too far, her post is gone now" wasn't funny to me.

Anyway, I don't believe in bumping messes, which is why this is the first comment you've seen from me. No more mess, no more hurt feelings, all is right with the world. Now I'm just keeping my fingers crossed I never slip on a banana peel, because I know OS will be right there to erect a giant neon sign.

Oh yeah, from what I could tell, Dana seemed to find the humor in your parody as well. I was actually kind of hoping for a power play war (all in good humor/fun) between you two in the comments area.

I thought your post was funny and well written even though I didn't see the source material. Plus,,I think you made a couple of disclaimers about being kind of a bitch, or something along those lines.
Now I will have to go read the comments to see how it exploded - or maybe not. Maybe I'll just read some of yours and Dana's other posts instead!

Goddang it, it's times like this when I wish OS had those moronic little emoticons so I could put in one with the clapping hands. I lurrrve Denis Leary. And I cannot count the number of times I've had a monologue just. like. that. running in my head. ::insert dorky nodding emoticon here::

And I also lurve it that you and Dana are cool with each other, despite whatever other baloney's been slung at you. I haven't been following all the stuff, but I gather there's been a deli-load. Let's get some mustard and rye, eh?

Of course....

Rrrrrrrrated!

Thanks all for your comments. And Aim, reading some other posts is a great idea, though Dana's got a lot more than I do to look at in that respect, and hers are a lot nicer in tone as well:)

Mustard and rye it is Bees Tone, and I like a little horseradish also, but I'm a freak that way.

"In order to achieve equivalent pay and respect to a given man, a woman is required to work harder than that man, be smarter than him, and be prepared to take a lot of shit off cretins who think she's trying to rise above her station. "

I don't know if thats universally true. For example women probably make up 80% of the publishing and magazine industry, and make up half the mangers in general. A recent stydy also showed they asked for 25-30% less in salary negotiations, and startlingly enough, make uh 25-30% less. Simply asking for more money could change things. With half the managers making the hiring and salary decisions, it is kind of illogical that they make less. Additionally women help women. Men help attractive women. In some cases I think they have it easier. In others harder, depending on the industry, whos doing the hiring. But what percentage of book editors, for example, are men? 15%? Or work for magazines?

I knwo this girl who starts woman music groups telling me how much harder it is for them. To which I reply, yes if only J-Lo and Britney Spears could get some media attention so they didn't have to struggle so much. The point being, the grass is always greener. As a musician myself, I wish I was as oppressed and overlooked as J-Lo. I could use the money.

Point taken Jim. Do you have a healthy adrenal gland?

You mean you are not a hermaphrodite. Damn! I just hired a film crew and Trey Montana as director. Now, what am I going to do?

But seriously, I saw the humor, and as the saying goes, "ef'em if they can't take a joke", and my version, "joke'em if they can't take a f***!

I kinda missed the boat/joke here. Need to read Dana's original post. But wanted to stop by and say hi.

I saw Drew-Silla and was enchanted. I loved her character on Buffy.

I'm "off topic girl" tonite. Woo hoo! Partay! Rock star!

Hi Beth. Dru was one of my favs too, especially her psychotic love interactions with Spike and with, well, everybody. And while we're off topic, do you give surfing lessons?

After 20 years of Marlboro Regulars I doubt any of my glands are healthy. It's just a matter of time.

3 issues:

1 - I did a post already and said all I'm gonna say-

2- since Drew and Dana are OK in the Corral, can we leave it already?

3- How do we feel about the ability to take down posts now? Curious minds who watched this play out are interested...

dana seemed to have deleted her original post. !?!?!
very annoying. maybe she doesnt have the BALLS after all :p

How do we feel about the ability to take down posts now? Curious minds who watched this play out are interested...

I've deleted 40 or 50 of my old posts (15 or 20 of them EPs), and only a few have been missed. My deletions are no big deal.

There's still time to give up the coffin nails Jim.

I've taken no posts down Gabby, but I'd like to say while you're here, I enjoyed reading yours this morning.

VZN, could we refrain from references to testicles or other sexual organs please? I didn't do this post as a platform for the genitally fascinated to mouth locker room witticisms. Please reference Dr. Leary and shut the fuck up.

And Rob, 40 or 50 deletions? Why did you delete them, does OS have a space limit for the total amount of posts you can have?

It was mostly political ephemera, humor, culture, and so forth. I got rid of most of those posts at one go, being bored by and irritated with some of my efforts. For what it's worth, I think OS archives everything without limit. (Oh, I have it in my blog annex that I delete entire posts. I don't think I've done it for any with serious comments.)

Dana, or any other woman, regardless of posturing or reputation, intimidates no man- only insecure misogynists.

"And Yahweh was pleased."

Genesis, 13:6:4

Rob says; "I don't think I've done it for any with serious comments"

I guess why I'm reluctant to delete posts, aside from the fact I've only done 4 of them, is the commentary thread on them. Deleting a post as far as I know means deleting the comments too, so I doubt I'll ever do it. I've not written anything serious or profound yet, and possibly never will, but I like the way the comments can swoop from one thing to another at random, and the interplay between the commentors, even the unpleasant ones.

Oahu, that's as good a way to put it as any. Only sissies are going to begrudge success to someone who's earned it, be they man or woman.

And Yahweh; an it pleaseth thee My Lord. Or something:)

As someone who is tangentially related to all of this, can I just say that I think both you and Dana rock? And I never wailed about women's mistreatment; I simply said that I didn't think we would come to a day when women's rights would be going screaming backward.
I think both of you touched a lot of nerves, and your parody of Dana's post made me laugh.
I hope that everybody's cool now.
Ugh. More coffee. Sentences need subjects/verbs/objects.
But I'll reiterate: you rock.

Nerves were definitely touched, but I'd like to think that everybody is cool now, or at least that Dana and I are. And you rock yourself FLW:)

Dang, Freaky missed a chance for another puddin' wrestling. Can you have a rematch when she returns?

I wouldn't miss a pudd'n wrassle for the world Cindy. I'll be looking forward to Ms. Troll's return:)

Did somebody say Pudd'n Wrastlin?

I thought that Dana's post was an interesting point of view that is sometimes lost in our society and yours was hilarious.

Can I be Dana just for a day? I might just want to be Drew, too. Everybody else seems to be.

I'm just going to wait for the you-tubule version to come out, so I can laugh more and more at the humor of it all!!!!

......drew cillia

it seems we have a couple of imposters here

I agree on both counts Tanpago, thank you:)

Sirenita, I'd go ahead and be Dana if I were you; EVerybody's going with the Drew look right now.

Zu-Cillia, I'll measure my tubules against yours any time:p

And Trig, speaking of impostors, you're being even more of a bitch today than I am.

Either my soul's been sucked out of my body, or someone around here is my evil twin.

Alright, here's what I meant to say here but said instead on Trig's blog because he has my avatar and I have yours and became slightly disoriented:

"I need your avatar for a while Cindy, but I promise to return it once my nefarious schemes have come to fruition. I'd tell you what my schemes were, but then I'd have to eat your adrenal gland."

It doesn't have the same bite as it did the first time around:(

I kinda like my adrenal gland so use me as long as you need to!

Wow! That was like magic! I posted the above, and lo and behind, you had restored your own avatar. I think I have powers. Unexplored powers.

We all have abilities Cindy, untapped powers in our psyche. Once we learn to unleash these forces, mankind will finally be able to turn earth into a Paradise, a Garden of Earthly Delights the likes of which hasn't been seen since Eden. God of course will be extremely pissed.

Drew, you impress me! Okay, I'll buy your motivational videos. what was the link again?

Cindy, you're freaking me out now. Are you woman or cake-loving troll?

(((((cindi Riss)))))

[[[[[[[[[Rindy Soss?]]]]]]]]]]

Yep... And YEP!

Yep about sums it up Darryl:)
But I'm starting to get a little irritated with that Ross woman. I only borrowed her avatar for a brief while and she's been monopolizing this thread ever since. Well, we'll see about that:[

You're not a bitch. You're a brilliant, talented virago! Don't shortchange yourself.

Thank you Mr. Blevins, and I try never to shortchange myself. But isn't a Virago the new subcompact from Mitsubishi?

The new AMC (Angry Mothers Co-operative) is introducing the "Harpy" as the flagship of their 2010 line... You have to admit that anyone who uses virago in a sentence is funny by default.

Wow. Remind me never to get on your bad side. I love Leary.

Darryl, the virago reference cracked me up too, but now I need to get an AMC Harpy. Do you know if they make those in a hybrid model?

Gwool, I'm as nice as pie, I'm just a harpy about it. And Dr. Leary's the greatest as far as I'm concerned.

And Livemonster, there's no wrong I won't write about, and no right I'll not wrong. Or something like that:)

DREWSILLA

Dr leary...i thought you meant timothy at first....is assaulting the very foundations of western civilization, ia m happy to see. The old stale Aristotelian notion of happiness as the goal of man. It's time to get back to Platonism, or maybe even go Presocratic, and embrace Hericlitus's doctrines again...

There seems to be a lovely and most appealing upsurge in the Bitchiness...or as we Civilized Enlightened Men call it, "feistiness", in the OS gals. I applaud it and would like to encourage it in any way i can. I have decided to go sort of "Fight Club" here, with me as both Ed Norton and Brad Pitt, and bring down the whole structure of this civilization. The key is to get the chicks in an uproar, let em sort things out...we men are gonna retire to our fortified holes in the earth and let

the Apocalypse rage on above. In other words, connect with the inner Kali & destroy, destroy, destroy. Know you have some friends of the male persuasion, down here in the Ground, hiding, muttering to each other, and watching "The L word" & lifetime & quizzing our dear old mommies about the motives of all this feminine fervor. Enjoy, & MORE!
Jim

Thanks for the comment Jim. I've got nothing against going a little PreSocratic, but as you surmise, it's my inner Kali that I've been trying to re-connect with recently.

"O Mother-Fire! Thy storm-eyed ken

Tortures my eyeless fate.

Before me shine all wonder-ways

Of thy immortal Gate.

The face of rapture thy stroke unveils.

Matchless forever Thou art

To make us reach the Peak unknown,

The One's all-embracing Heart.

The fount of Power at thy Feet abides.

Thy cosmic dance of Noon

Throws fast on earth the nectar-floods

Of snow-white fire-pure Moon."



And she gets to wear a necklace of human skulls:)

I like you Livemonster. What do you say we take a couple of Fuckitol and go bowling?

Hmm..isn't that part of the problem...we're always bound and gagged. Speak a dissenting view, a critical view, a "bitchy" view, a "negative" view, a scathing view, a sarcastic view, and as a female, you're damned one way or the other. The louder that voice becomes, the more its threatened to be choked. It's not positive re-enforcement, that's for sure!

You should take his advice. What you attribute to chauvinism is just one of the laws of human nature. People protect themselves and their station at others expense. Instead of being the bigger person, you defaulted to the lowest common denominator. Complaining and playing the chauvanist card. That fact that you are a woman might be the reason he uses to keep you down, but he would use a different reason to accomplish the same thing with a man.

It obviously worked because you are whining. Sooo in the words of Dennis Leary...STFU.