buncha damn sluts...

apparently Mrs. Santorum dropped her aspirin... seven times.

Everytime Santorum speaks, it's like I'm listening to someone read one of Robert Heinlien's novels, *Sheesh* does this guy make me scared. And did you see that "Panel" fox news put together to talk about women's reproductive rights? There wasn't one god damned woman on the panel, how the fuck does this happen?

I find that if a girl points and laughs, that is typically a very effective birth control method.

I don't think I can watch the video. Did he really say something that cringingly stupid? (And is "cringingly" a word?)

I wonder what she said after she caught her breath.
YUCK! Now I am really sick to my stomach.
frankly
thanks for informing
rated with love

I know his mother regrets not doing that.

We gotta go back to the old days, with a modern tech twist.
Chastity Belts, 21st century style.
Obviously they must allow permissible female functions
like urination, and that ‘other one’,
the flow, for we cannot disallow gals to be hygienic.
The belt must be programmed under the husband’s command, but…also in order to open, there must be some ‘consent’ from the wife . We live in times where gals got a voice about stuff like that.

How we put it back on , after the encounter, is an interesting question I leave to greater minds than myself……..

@ Jeanette,

Yes.
Dunno.

Every time. I read something and think, that clown could NOT of said that. And then remember it's Santorum.

What a piece of work

D.H. Austin - you're wrong. At least according to Maddow. The first panel of five was all men. Old men. The second panel of five had only four men. There is ONE woman out of ten. (And she's some crazed Republican weirdo woman who thinks aspirin works just fine...)

Oops, sorry DH Austin. You were talking about the all-male Fox panel. I jumped to conclusions and thought you were talking about the all-male congressional oversight committee panel. Well, what's the difference...

As I wrote at length, Santorum prefers bareback.

Me too.

Not willing to fluid bond? Keep it zipped.

To quote Rick Santorum:

Do you know what those liberal elitist snobs think of y'all? Do you knoooooow?

these non-men should be slapped silly

(and we'll do that to them in November)

r.

non men, sorry to say, will always flourish.
they connect with the diseased heart of America.
i have no idea what the disease is, but it grows worse
and the cure? it is solemnly denounced as non-ethical
or moral
(could never discriminate those 2 words...)

ironic. what could cure them (!!!*****####!!!)
is forbidden.
for good reason.
to them.
women must NEVER realize their power.
a national agenda, that...arg.........

The all-male contraception panels are amazing. Representatives Carolyn Maloney and Eleanor Norton walked out in protest this morning after committee chairman Darrell Issa wouldn't let a woman testify at the hearing. Sounds a little like Afghanistan. Fuck, let's start stoning women who ask for birth control 'cause they're all just skank-hos anyway.

Let he who is without sin cast that first stone, is what I say, as a devout pretend Christian.
The bipolar nation America will swing forever between DamnShame & disgust
At the Body

And

Glorious renaissances of the Flesh.
That is America.

I dunno where we are now do you, drew? Seems gloomy if ya got some skin needing, ha, kneading, or needing, or just a touch…………

Of course, once upon a time this same piece of advice was offered up my none other than Ann Landers (back in the early days of "the pill").
But today, it's a decidedly stupid thing to say--even privately amongst the "good ol' boys". The world has evolved over the last 30 years--but as we get 30 or 40 years older we sometimes forget that what was once "nudge-nudge-snicker-grin" is now just tired old horse manure.

This deserves an EP. Are the Republicans trying to throw the election with this off-the-wall craziness? Writing & filming Democratic talking points for them? Thanks, GOP! Have they forgotten that women vote? Did they miss that memo? That most voters are women? [r]

omg these people are disgusting.

Do you believe these damn dirt bags, everything is a joke to them....

This explains why guys never got headaches back in the day.

Not sure I can stomach the video. So sick of white rich men telling women how to use their private parts!

OMG. It's hard to believe that dinosaurs like that still roam the planet.

Conservatives are either encouraging their secret agenda of homosexuality and masturbation to cause the rest of the fall from grace, since Adam and Eve so 5000 years ago OR they want liberals to be as miserable as they are. Boasting that you don't have sex with your spouse on a regular basis (per child head count) is kind of, well, not a reason to vote someone into office.

This idiot was so outrageous I couldn' t help but laugh!

Look at it this way - if Romney loses Michigan, and there is a strong possibility he will......Rick S. will be in the driver's seat.

Women should close their legs until their men agree to support women's issues.

Didn't someone do that in ancient Greece??

:-) / r

i've got something the rich old white dudes can hold between his legs... wait, let me just pull this lil ole pin first...


i am so fucking sick of these antiques telling me what i can & cannot do with my vagina. idiots.

Fer fuck's sake. Tell me why someone hasn't pulled the stats on these religious entities and their insurance companies' vasectomy coverage and expenses.

oh..and for the record? any time i hear old men with white hair using the term :"the gals" to describe women...i pretty much stop taking him seriously because i already know hes kind of an idiot.

fucking idiot.

Say on, you bastards. You expose yourselves for the idiotic extremists you truly are with every senseless, dumb-ass, politically inept word you say. We'll "help you govern better" by kicking you out of any governing capacity at the polls in November. Over-reach all you want, you evidently haven't woken up to the concept that you're living in the 21st century. The more people know about you, the better for everyone else.

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It is kind of hard to avoid thinking Barack sprang the HHS contraception thing when he did so that Santorum would surge in the polls against Romney and possibly become the GOP frontrunner. Ricky, if nominated, is capable of single-handedly guaranteeing an Obama victory this November - only Mullah "Gimme That Old Time Religion" Omar speaking at the Republican convention could do a better job of scaring moderates and Independents away from the Rethugs' crazed agenda.

I'm with you, Drew.

Go for it gurrll... with admiration from an old white dude.

This will most certainly not be allowed under my new healthcare plan! What a silly idea!

Instead, I was awesomely pragmatic and settled on using Advil instead - at a $100 a pill. Where would you fools be without me??

Tell it, sister. What a bunch of asshats.

Glad to see you back, Drew. :)

"Ricky, if nominated, is capable of single-handedly guaranteeing an Obama victory this November - only Mullah "Gimme That Old Time Religion" Omar speaking at the Republican convention could do a better job of scaring moderates and Independents away from the Rethugs' crazed agenda."

YES YES YES YES. let them keep it up, louder, crazier, old white guys telling wimmin everything they need to know about sex, all that stuff. and santorum who says that you shouldn't even be **having** sex without thinking there's at least a possibility of getting pregnant because *that's what it's for*. more, please. louder, please.

and that friess dude? doesn't he look like the kind of guy who would make his wife boil her pubes before he'd touch her? yes, he does, sez the noisy feminist over here in SoCal (where i am distractedly sad to say, cringingly - yes, jeanette - that darrel issa represents the district immediately to the north of the one i live in. my heinous rep is the insufferable brian bilbray. one step worse on the awfulness scale is issa. gah.)

When these senile jokers pick up their Viagra prescriptions so they can cheat on their mates or assault juveniles, they should be asked: Would you like some Friess with that?

Gosh darn and he chuckles too??

Trying to keep my blood from boiling again here. I'm not usually violent but can someone see that him and his ilk disappear from the earth by any means necessary. The planet would be so much better off.

Perhaps Mr. "Freeze" should try balancing an aspirin atop his next erection... oh, wait. That probably doesn't happen very often.

Lezlie

Ahh geez...sounds like something my mother would have said back in the day...along with, "Good girls don't do that..." Sluts, indeed. Yikes!

What? Wait?! Don'tcha'all boil your pubes before sex? Guys...and GALS?!

Yeah, the correct term is sluts, whores get paid to do the wild thang, sluts may give it away for a hamburger and possibly a milk shake, vanilla, if she gets chocolate, it is possible she is a whore, matters which state you're in!!!

Saw a guy downtown the other day with a cardboard sign reading "Will Eat Pussy For A Happy Meal." I avoided making eye contact.

I just now Googled "aspirin" combined with "knees" and this post was toward the top of the second page! Wooo-hooo! Now if someone would show me how to back-link this shit I'd be all viral and stuff. Contagious too, most likely.

How much dissolved aspirin is comprised in a typical splattering of "santorum?"

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when i heard that i was thinking more of the "not tonight i have a headache". in any event wishing him dead is equally stupid.

Ooops, I actually meant; there is approximately .03 milligrams of aspirin in every CC of santorum.

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Thank you for your comment MJ GOTT. Please explain to me how wishing them dead is equally stupid. I will always wish people dead if they intend to harm me. Wouldn't you? Heck, I'd go beyond wishing them dead; I'd just put a hollow-point in their brainpan if I had the chance. Wouldn't you?

no i wouldn't.

Well, that is very commendable. If a burglar came in your house and wanted to hurt you, would you shoot him? Or her maybe, because admittedly, some burglars are women, it's bound to happen statistically speaking.

W0uld you shoot the burglar if you had the chance, or would you allow the burglar to go about his/her burgling business without doing a damn thing about it?

This creates an entirely new interpretation of the diner scene in "Five Easy Pieces."

This vital bit of folksy wisdom reminds one of the old joke about the befuddled elderly woman who struggles with her bags of groceries as she wends her way to the back of a crowded city bus.
She finally finds a seat, collapses in it, huffing away.
Then, shot with sudden awareness, bolts forward, saying," MY--YYY ASSSSPIRNS!"
To which a nearby, helpful guy offers,
"Stick it out the window, lady."

this is just commentary. maybe you should thank mr. friess. without him you wouldn't have this post. you make it sound like anyone with an opposing or different opinion than you desereves to die or be killed. where's the tolerance?

MJ GOTT, you are asking me to have tolerance for intolerance. Sorry, that ain't gonna happen.

I don't get this aspirin between the knees thing...why an aspirin? If you really want to keep your knees together, wouldn't duct tape work better? And what if you don't favor the missionary position? Aspirin between knees won't make much difference when you're bent over the kitchen table. These men don't seem to have thought this recommendation out!

And this is rich: "maybe you should thank mr. friess. without him you wouldn't have this post."

So you're new to the Interwebz, eh? I don't think you are, but I'd like to point out that his commentary led to the commentary on this post, which in turn led to your comments here. Geez, how awful!

In our relationship, my husband is on the birth control -- a vasectomy he begged for (in a manly fashion). I mean, I still keep an asprin between my knees, 'cause you can't do a lot of those karma chameleon positions (or whatever) without some good inner thigh muscles. I guess we're both sluts. Happy happy sluts.

Dammit Heron, there you go again with all that wit and common sense. Stoppit, you're making me look like a Trotskyite.

Ah, Bellwether, you slut... ;-)

Returning now to MJ GOTT, who, being the particular sort of mealy-mouthed whiner he and/or she is, has managed to irritate me:

"you make it sound like anyone with an opposing or different opinion than you desereves to die or be killed"

Given the rhetoric spewed out on a daily basis by the Right wing, I'd be a fool to believe otherwise. They want me and my kind to die, or haven't you noticed? You never answered my question about the burglar, MJ GOTT. Please answer that question for me; if you can't, then go back to whatever little hidey-hole it is you crawled out of.

you're funny.

I think they're trying to say, if you don't want to get pregnant, have oral sex instead. That must be it.

Somebody give MJ GOTT a capful of expired NyQuil! If it's good enough for me it's good enough for all the people who take the time to comment here.

Oryoki, it's really hard to figure out their strategy vis a vis birth control. Abstinence? The rhythm method? Oral sex only? Other and probably more disturbing kinds of sex only? Faith in God? I just dunno.

And back in his day girls didn't get pregnant before marriage. Or at least we didn't talk about them. Not in public anyway. What a pompous old windbag. If men could get pregnant then blowhards like that sack of sanctimony would be insisting on his right to be master of his body.

it's Santorum...the strategy can be found in the meaning of the word Santorum...duh.

So the guy's a little behind the times. "Back in my days" we gals put a rock of crack between our knees for contraception.

Yes it is nice to talk trash but fail to see the real point.
The real point is how many things have to recover under health care. Is my hair loss a medical issue.? should I get ree Propecia. I want it and it is expensive. How abut Viagra?

Being pregnant is not a medical condition. I may become one in come cases. Many women do not even go to a doctor for it.

And further more we are not talking about pregnant women. We are talking about women of child bearing age as if THAT is a medical condition. Is it not. You want prevention from something that i it happens is not a medical condition, but i certainly an inconvenience isn't it?

Fine, few people actually care if a woman uses a contraception. Maybe thy just don't wasn't to pay for it.

This is all about the mandate and what is included and what is not. Have you all not noticed how the exemptions are lying around. The exemptions defeat the entore purpose of the mandate.

Joseph Cole; could you please rephrase that comment, and do so in a way that renders it, I don't know, perhaps, coherent?

Premature post (no pun)

The exemptions a flying and the more their the more burden on those without exemption.

Condoms work pretty well. Cycles work extremely well. It is science. Combine those 2 and avoidance rate is high. In fact anyone not using a condom these days is asking for a lifetime disease, I dont dare how well you think you know your partner.

And the real point is that since the executive seems to dole out exceptions at will, what will the next one do. Reverse them? Add new ones you don't like. It is so shortsighted to think, "My guy is in sho I am getting what I want.
What happens when your guy is gone?

Have fun now and mock. But don't cry when the next idiot does thing you don't like. That is what is wrong creating Agencies with power that answer to the president.
This should all be hard law, not up to some agency.

You might like what you get now but the day will come you will not.

Joseph Cole; could you please rephrase that comment, and could you please do so in a way that renders it, I don't know, perhaps, not idiotic?

I am a bad typist and in a hurry and don't write because I think I am a write. Just making a point about the mandate, being of bearing safe is not a condition, it life. Maybe vasectomy should be covered to0?
The problem with the mandate is everyone has to participate in everything to make sure no one misses out on anything they want.

Maybe good deal, maybe mot. But certainly nothing but stupid with exceptions doled out at a whim. I destroys the entire mandate. Florida, McDonalds, Unions, etc all get to opt out.
Do hyou want to be the woman at McDonalds with a plan that has opted out of contraception? See how this makes no sense. It is much bigger than the Christian issue or some smart ass comment about aspirin.

The aspirin comment is just a nice stupid statement to jump on and mock. And it is not that stupid anyway. Don't have sex, don't get pregnant.
Women want risk free sex. I want lots of risk free behaviors
that come with a scientific solution that is free at any cost.

Maybe I want a million dollar car that is so safe I can be jackass and crash it a 140MPH but avoid a potential medical condition. Will it be free on my medical, insurance?

Why not? Wmens reproductive rights. Men jackass rights.

Yes, Joseph Cole, you are a very bad typist. Sadly enough, you are an even worse thinker. For purposes of brevity I will disregard the first two paragraphs of your comment and get right to the third one, which seems to be the core of your arugment ( such as it is):

"The aspirin comment is just a nice stupid statement to jump on and mock. And it is not that stupid anyway. Don't have sex, don't get pregnant.
Women want risk free sex. I want lots of risk free behaviors
that come with a scientific solution that is free at any cost."


What????


The aspirin comment is indeed a "nice stupid statement" and it does an excellent job of exposing the patriarchal and wannabe-theocratical nature of modern conservatism. You then go on to suggest that women, or perhaps humans generally, shouldn't have sex. (!!!) Well, Joseph, I hate to bust your sad little bubble here, but humans can and will have sex on a regular basis whether you yourself are doing so or not. That is a biological fact roughly analogous to the fact that human beings have bowel movements. Do you wish to restrict human beings' bowel movements or to limit health coverage for bowel-related medical problems? Is that what you are saying? Please don't bother responding, I fear that if you do smoke will start rolling out of your ears and your head will literally explode in a gush of Technicolor special effects.


You, sir, are possibly one of the stupidest people I've ever met in Open Salon, and you earn that title against some very stiff opposition.

Joseph Cole makes some good points... lol

And picturing here, now, greenheron and bell vance with knees holding aspirins, or duct taped, bent over a table side by side..

... but the fantasy that really is giving me a hard-on right about now (checking.. yes, it's working) is of Foster Friess spending himself into the poorhouse trying to get that wack-a-doodle Santorum elected, and that Ricky IS the nominee, only to get trounced and publicly humiliated in a landslide defeat--

I was waiting for him to say, "You gals just keep your legs crossed, your panties up, and come home from school in a group."
.

You know what this guy should hold between his knees? A shot gun.

You it was J & J Orange, especially made for babies ....

I need to apologize for the lack of sarcasm in this post. I was speaking from the heart here, without subterfuge or a hidden agenda, and for that I ask your forgiveness.

i am considering forgiving you. get back atcha later.
lack of sarcasm is a High Crime against the State,the
New One, ha.

you gotta still do a bit of penance.
you gotta get all silly and solicitously sarcastically
in
the
Subterfuge.
(or else what would redblooded men drink, if they
was good christians, & bloodthirsty?)

But by putting the aforementioned aspirin between their legs wouldn't the "ladies" addressed in the headline be putting themselves out of work? Thereby, contributing to the unemployment problem. Just curious.

you disgust me, and your sincerity makes me ill in the pants.

mm. good to see dru at play
in the fields of the Lord..
luscious green vegetation, bright sun, a summer day.
you.

Will someone tell Mr. Blue Balls that he is in some parallel universe, where the women dress like Plain clothes nuns and the guys look like they might be golfing in 1978, that it is none of his damn business who does what with whom, how, and of any matter of a private or personal nature: Just FUCK OFF!

At Play in the Fields of the Lord; wasn't that about bombing Amazonian Indians then giving them the clap?


{{{{{{{Hugzzz}}}}}}}

no drew..
at play is what i f-ing say it is.
in the fields? the timespace infinity stretching out around yer head
and body
right now,

that is the fields.

as for anyone else's interpretation of gawd or the lord
or humanity, or sin , i give
a zero shit.

blake trumps em all. a good christian, he.

'What is it men in women do require?
The lineaments of gratified desire.
What is it women in men require?
The lineaments of gratified desire.
No. 4, What Is It


and


O rose, thou art sick!
The invisible worm,
That flies in the night,
In the howling storm,

Has found out thy bed
Of crimson joy,
And his dark secret love
Does thy life destroy.
 The Sick Rose

No James, "At Play in the Fields of the Lord" was a film based on a novel by Peter Matthiessen, though maybe he got the title from Blake, I dunno many pomes. Daryl Hannah played in it, so I'd have thought with your predilection for cheap blondes you'd have seen the damn thing. As George Clinton once said:

The Earth is pregnant for the third time
For y'all have knocked her up
I have tasted the maggot in the mind of the universe
But I was not offended
For I knew I had to rise above it all
Or drown in my own shit.

Yeah yeah I seen that shit. Daryl was totally nude in it. ha.
Then a guy came out of the water.
Etc.

The Earth is pregnant for the third time
For y'all have knocked her up
I have tasted the maggot in the mind of the universe
But I was not offended
For I knew I had to rise above it all
Or drown in my own shit.

The place of love and excrement, dear thing, are quite close!
That means nothing.
For: a good bowel movement or piss is better than orgasm often.


I have hijacked this phrase fields of the lord.
means something different now.
like; electromagnetic , gravitational, etc fields.
ya know my fondness for Fizz-icks.

what do we do? we 'ape' one another..
think on what that means..to ape..to pretend..
to steal others' qualities as one's own.

as drew says, there is no "i".
not really.but there yet is..and it is an amalgram
of stolen voices from the past...............................

Rimbaud: “ I is an other.”
Lots of them! So many, I lost count……

i gotta try to be All at once, i think. i dunno.......

Yeah, it w as a stupid remark. And, no, women who have sex are not whores (your description by the way). But why in hell should other people have to pay for women's birth control or, for that matter, for that used by men? You want a product? Go ahead and buy it.

"why in hell should other people have to pay for women's birth control"

Ah Barbara, spoken like a classic conservatroid. That's the thing about most Righties; tbey're OK at checkers but they don't know how to play chess. Why pay? I suppose it all depends on if you're willing to concede that unwanted children are more of a drain on our society than subsidizing a little contraception is.


Just remember, James; there's no "I" in Taoism. Well, OK, there is actually, but it's a lower case "i" and there's probably some significance in that.

This is a scene straight out of Arthur Miller's 'The Crucible". With this level of insight, it's just galling that most men do not get it. The women have indulged these neanderthals for far too long. They do not have the understanding to feel the most outer membrane of shame and decency.
And it is wrong on so many levels: the things that the churches stolidly purport here, relating women's medical issues to some plot of our government to render pure evil, is absolute nonsense. Don't people know that they are being manipulated, cajoled and urged to this nauseating degree? We are not the leader of civilization that we may like to think ourselves.

Damn straight!

i must respectfully disagree w/ indeepcalm
and agree w/ u drew. no i. nor I. just good fluctuation.
taoism is cool. go flow.
flow is reached in a sort of hynogogic self-hynotizing state
wherein one trusts the Animal Body
or Unconscious to do some habits,
like brush yer teeth or put on
yer tanktop or whanot.

then............rationality, i , comes on the scene and say,
goodness, there is some imbedded intelligence there.
but
whaaaaat about The Will?
huh.
who cares.
My animal body knows its shit.

my soul is a tag along,
a passenger,an
i.

what i disagree with In is:
tis a plot. these fuckers couldnt plot a vote on the senate floor
re. the retroactive constituionally-granted
reproductive rights of the chicks who
miraculaously are still fertile and
able to create maybe a life or at
least some protoplasm maybe someday gonna be a man
or a woman once the 4th or 14th week of swimming there
without any damn thing to do in the womb
is over and he/she gotta man up. haw.
uh.

they got no clue.
none.

we smartie pants gotta stop hiding away in bungalows
and mansions and middle class divorce
and miserable poverty (me, _ay)
and get a voice from the Voice Factory. or something. i dunno.

i am wondering what mz. keira knightley gonna wear.also
mz.george clooney.

I have been pondering shit, after the Oscars. A damn silent film won.
I love silence. Allows me to shed my i.
Groove on the currents.
The i is always there to fall
down
back into…

just a silly construction, an art project for school, where the teacher is insane.

Still…gotta get her approval to ha matriculate………..

Matriculate? You'll kindly not use that sort of language on my blog again unless you're into being publicly castigated. Snip snip...

Matriculate! Matriculate!
Haw I dare u.
To uh, what/?
Be ‘castigated’?

No I am far too cute and sweet for any of yer galpals to get behind ya on that one. Ha.

I shall quote a mighty quote atcha..

The pride of the peacock is the glory of God.
The lust of the goat is the bounty of God.
The wrath of the lion is the wisdom of God.
The nakedness of woman is the work of God.
 Line 22
Blake. Marriage of heaven & hell.

Plus!
Just to put the final nails in yer coffin:

“Got a home on high
Ain't nothing but a stranger in this world
I'm nothing but a stranger in this world
I got a home on high
In another land
So far away
 Astral Weeks
Van Morrison.

Also, uh..
Van again cuz he in my Ear:

“Let go into the mystery
Let yourself go
You've got to open up your heart
That's all I know
Trust what I say and do what you're told
Baby, and all your dirt will turn
Into gold.
 The Mystery


Ha thatll flatten you down. I dunno whether it will or not, but I hope I got an upper hand .

Upper hands are cool to get.

Upper hand or lower, you can never go wrong with Van Morrison.

i personally am sick of this upper hand, not only in me
but all these other people too, especially the politicians.
so i shall devote the rest of the easter season to
the lower hand. i hope it is, ha, up for it.
van will certainly help.
i hear that in person he is a miserable s.o.b.

From Barbara's comments - "why in hell should other people have to pay for women's birth control"

The author responded, "Ah Barbara, spoken like a classic conservatroid. That's the thing about most Righties; tbey're OK at checkers but they don't know how to play chess. Why pay? I suppose it all depends on if you're willing to concede that unwanted children are more of a drain on our society than subsidizing a little contraception is. "

No, sorry, not willing to concede that unwanted.... etc.

You don't want a kid, buy contraception. Stay out of my life and really, I'll stay out of yours. Fascism IS, in part, trying to make people do what they do not want to do for the sake of the whole group. (Everything inside the state, nothing outside of it.) You may do what you like with contraception, just don't pull me into your group. I get to stay outside. Sorry.

"You may do what you like with contraception, just don't pull me into your group. I get to stay outside. Sorry."

Nah, Babs, you don't get to stay outside. Sorry. Whether your pea-brain wants to admit it or not, human beings live in these groupings of individuals known as *nations* and in nations (or any other unit of societal organization you care to name), what happens to other folks in the group affects us directly. Now, I know this is challenging for you to understand, but if something bad happens to someone in a *nation* and they aren't personally able to bear the economic and other costs of that bad thing, then others must pay for it one way or another, via taxes or any of numerous other onerous burdens, so it's not just in the group's self interest to prevent those bad things from happening, but in yours personally as well. I realize you're too dimwitted to understand such basic socio-economic facts, but your rather astonishing lack of intelligence doesn't make them any less factual.

Sorry Drew. Stay out of my house and my bedroom. Our nation is one of individuals, not one of members of groups as in "everything inside the group, nothing outside." That, my friend , is fascism. I'm not having it. I won't have it. And, sorry, I won't pay for your contraception and I won't ask you to pay any of my private bills either. I don't think you should even have to be taxed for for my kids' education. (Our constitution, by the way, LIMITS what the government provides for us. Medical is not one of those things delineated. You may wish to live differently, but it probably won't happen in America.) And you need to learn about the history of the word - I mean check the root - fascism. No, I am NOT in your group. Thank GOD!

Yes, baby, things are paid for one way or another, but it is HOW they are paid for - via force, charity, taxes, or my own pocket, that you don't get. That is the argument. I won't pay for your contraception and I'll not ask you to pay for my bills. But if you insist, I can send you a list of things I'd like.

Drew - bone up, bonehead, on economics, competing economic theories, philosophy, government, and such. I know it is hard with your simplistic view of the world, but give it a go.

Bye babe.

If you can't' pay for your contraception, hello, PLANNED PARENTHOOD???? CHARITIES???? It is not the government's problem. Or do you all want to pay for everything I can't pay for and feel I need?

Sorry, it is not in my self-interest to keep you from having a kid. I can't read the future. I can't decide for you. I am not part of your family and I am not someone who wants to go in your bedroom. If you want freedom, it is yours. Do not force me into your decisions. Do not force me into your bedroom and, I promise, I won't try to control what you do there.

@Barbara Joanne

You ignorant slut. I don't care what you are having or not having the law at this point is birth control pills will provided by health care insurance at no premium cost to the beneficiary. If that doesn't work for you perhaps you would like to suck on a shotgun.

I am curious BJ on your thoughts and am trying to understand where your type of thinking is going:
Why do you oppose a system of healthcare that everyone could afford to participate in, why do you oppose using some of the plentiful tax dollars to be used to better the health of our people?
Do you have a model country you can point to where they only have health care for the upper class ( people that can afford to pay out of pocket for healthcare) that it works? that is in the upper portion of longevity and living conditions ?
How are people who work minimum wage jobs or even middle and lower middle class people who can not afford to pay out of pocket for healthcare to be handled ? Are they sent home to die? And what if they have no family to care for them? Where do all these sick people go? Currently they use clinics that are funded by the govt such as PP or the ER which drives up the costs of everyone who can afford to pay into a health care fund.
Wouldn't it make more sense to make an affordable plan for everyone to join?
I am in medical diagnostics, the cardiac ultrasound I perform costs about four thousand dollars, who could afford to pay for that?
Both my college graduate children have had extremely difficult time finding jobs that offer health care benefits, and the ones they offer are so expensive or cover so little, how would they ever recover if they get sick? Are they never to have children?
Perhaps mass sterilization of woman and men who cannot afford healthcare or contraception?
Is this the type of society you think is progressive? Again, what do you model your ideal society on.
Planned Parenthood is on the chopping block of all Republican agendas, if poor woman cant' get gyno care, or contraceptives there, through insurance and they are not available over the counter how do they pay for it themselves? Condoms are also provided at PP, so without any contraception or abortion in a country how do you take care of this population growth without healthcare? Where do all these babies go? Where are they born and who covers that? Woman just die in childbirth like in underdeveloped nations?
Currently, major insurance companies and religious institutions alike cover male impotence medications and prescribe for men the entire length of their lives. No questions asked and no one forces them to prove why they are using these meds, they are used purely for sexual reasons, having nothing to do with the health of the male, are you also advocating we can stop paying for these unnecessary adjuncts to sexual behavior if we choose? I certainly don't think men in their eighties need these meds, can I choose to not cover them if I want, following your dictate that we should all be allowed to choose the healthcare we pay into. How about if I don't believe in blood transfusions, I am a Jehovah Witness, do I have to pay for that too?
How does this make any sense?

Oh my goodness, I've elicited a grand mal OCD-induced series of comments from Barbara Joanne; yay me!

Barbara, you blithering harpy; I can, without Googling or otherwise *checking the root* tell you that the term fascism derives from the Latin "fasces" which means "bundle" and more specifically the ceremonial bundle of rods with an axe in the center carried by lictors in ancient Rome. I could also tell you the definition of fascism itself if I was so inclined, but I don't have time to teach Political Ideologies Made Understandable For Mongoloids. I will however note that publicly subsidized birth control doesn't qualify as fascism or Nazism or totalitarianism or whatever other scary little tag you tend to throw out there when you get your knickers in a wad. Regarding "No, I am NOT in your group. Thank GOD!" you can flail your arms and stomp your feet all you want, but if you're a US citizen you are by definition in my group. It's hilarious the way pinheads of your stripe think that if a fallacy is repeated often enough and with enough vehemence it somehow becomes fact. Even more hilarious is that you apparently think a discussion about public funding of contraception is somehow relevant to what goes on in your dank little bedroom.

Anthony, Rita; I know, right?

well put! re fascism. bundle of sticks.
meaning: the Individual,the most Holy F-ing thing
the Universe has created,
in conscious homo sapiens sapiens,
is part of some ugly sticky misery -inducing Group Mind
which is just
the top echelon of the rich successful f-er's cancerous
idiot ideology.

Dammit Jim, there's no need to censor out the you and the see.

Sorry I hijacked your post Drew, I was seeking clarity from a muddy pond there.
I realize now that an attempt to follow through on some of the blustery statements made above is futile as she resorts to name calling immediately without expounding on just how her plans to only pay for what she wants to would work if we all did that. Someday someone close to her or she herself, will have to get medical care and she will thank her lucky stars no one is sitting in judgement of her "lifestyle" choices and withholding care for that very reason. You can delete my overlong comment if you want..

Someone needs to figure out a new way to piss you off so you'll write something again. There's gotta be a way. Don't worry..I'll get working on it.