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Free thinking 40-something, Psych BA, and "professional English major" turned RN. Long married and mother of 2 above average children, and 3 cats. Blog "pimping" friendly. ____________________________________ "'Course I never did care much for dictators none, myself, but then I think the whole country oughtta be run by electricity" Bright idea courtesy of Oklahoma's best man, Woody Guthrie.

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MAY 27, 2009 12:54PM

Thinking about sons and daughters

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 "Teach your children well,
Their father's hell did slowly go by.
And feed them on your dreams,
The one they picks, the one you'll know by."

(Crosby, Stills, and Nash)

There have been quite a few posts recently about men and women, and I've been thinking about gender differences/similarities. On Fireeyes' post "Men, What Do You Really Want?",  I asserted that in my experience there were at least 10 assholes for every "decent" guy. Then I looked at my son and felt a sharp pang of guilt. My son is almost 13 and just entering puberty. He is all awkward limbs, peach fuzz, puppy dog eyes, and tender heart. He is incapable of hurting anyone intentionally. It feels horribly disloyal to make such sweeping generalizations about men the way I did on FE's blog, and the way I have many times in the past. What does it say to him that I would make such a remark (although I would not have said this out loud in his presence). What does it say about me as a mother?  

In all honesty, I have known many outstanding men. My husband, my father and his brother, countless male friends gay and straight. All these men have enriched my life immeasurably and brought me great love and companionship. I know I am being very unfair to judge men so harshly.

But then, I think about my grandfather who - in a rage - beat a cow to death with a two-by-four, who tormented my father as a boy, and who molested me as a young teen. I think about my sister and the many other women and girls who suffer verbal and physical abuse at the hands of their boyfriends and husbands. I think of the man in a nearby town who recently murdered his wife and their four children and shows no remorse. And I wonder - is my view of men really all that skewed?

Then I think of my daughter - 10 years old and so full of life that her small body can scarcely contain her. I hope that the men in her future treat her with the respect and dignity she deserves, and that she responds in kind. I pray that I can teach both her and her brother well.

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I wish you peace... and smile knowing your father, husband and children ease your pain. --rated--
"I pray that I can teach both her and her brother well."

i only know you through OS, but i've got a strong enough sense of who you are that i've no doubt you can and are.
Ten for one is about right. People here will argue that is not true, but just reading the news proves them wrong.
I think just having that kind of awareness is most of the battle :)
Mustard - thank you - they do bring me great joy.

Nanate - deeply appreciate your vote of confidence. There are days when I am anything but sure about my parenting.

ChangeAgent - I know what you mean. IMHO that ratio seems pretty accurate, but it gives me great hope to hear from people whose experience with men is different from mine.
About the media - don't believe everything you read. Just a reminder.
Also, don't forget that the news we are fed by the mainstream media is the news they think will garner the most ratings - murders, rapes, kidnappings, driveby shootings, etc. My point is that it is a mistake to make a generalization about men or women based on what you hear or read from the "Bad Newz."
"I pray that I can teach both her and her brother well. "
Diva,
Your's is the prayer of all parents. Followed when they're older by "I pray that I taught them well" and ultimately followed by "Thank you Lord for the wonderful people who are my children."
They'll be grand, they will. Many blessings to you in your journey of motherhood, and much grace to your kids through you.
Your reflection on what you have occasionally said about men having a son is so valuable... excellent post; rated for making me think of all these comments which may bring consequences to our children.
You have some good points here, but as you say, whatever may be our personal experiences it is down to us to teach the next generation.
1_im - thank you. I try to be aware, but I can often be very dense. Parenting is a humbling business.

littlewillie - I couldn't agree with you more about the sensationalization of the media. Unfortunately, most of my issues result from personal experiences, and I have to work at not letting them get the better of me.

Walter - thanks for coming by. I can think of nothing better to ask for than that I live long enough to utter that last prayer.

yekdeli - thank you for your kind words. Motherhood is quite a journey. I should have posted the other verse of the CSN song about "teaching your parents well", because my children teach me every day, as I imagine your students teach you.

Marcela - always appreciate your thoughts. I try hard to be mindful of what I say to my children, but there is always room for improvement.
You will. About 5 years ago I visited my children for a weekend on a trip through the Midwest. Mike was 21 at the time and Susan was 19. We had dinner at Mike's apartment with his fiance. The thing that has stayed in my mind and heart as a result of that evening was how much I actually LIKED my children. How much I liked the young adults they had become and how much I admired them.
That's the answer to the 3rd prayer. You too will experience that.
I agree with Irritated-Mom. You are aware. You will have passed on to both your son and daughter your ideas and ideals on many subjects, not least of which will include lessons on respect, dignity, and responsibility.
I think your children are blessed to have you as a mother - and I think they will grow up to be outstanding human beings. Both of them. xoxoxo
Jon - we are certainly responsible regardless of past experience. I definitely want my children to see people as individuals not members of any group.

Walter - what a gift to be able to truly enjoy the company of your adult children. I hope for that too.

m.a.h. - thank you so much. I do think I am much more aware than I was when I was younger. One thing I think I have realized is how much children pick up practically by osmosis - by tuning into a parent's unspoken words and actions.

screamin' - always appreciate your kind words. I hope you are right.
I'm well...what 1IM and screamin'mama both said!
Gracielou - that means a lot. Your good thoughts are much appreciated.

JK Brady - you are one wise woman. Each abusive individual male or female is the product of such a complex web of familial and societal dysfunction. I love this - "I've never heard a five year old say I want to beat my wife when I grow up or I want to be a beaten wife when I grow up. What happens between 5 and whenever..." That is indeed the million dollar question.
Hey there my Okie Friend. Great to see a new post from you.

It's damned scary raising children. You sweat blood 24/7 from the minute thy're born until you die and probably even after death.

With you as their mother, I'd be willing to bet that the outcome of kindness and humanity will be in their favor.

Rated for the shared angst - Bob Conner
Hey Bob! Great to see you - hope you are well and enjoying working on your book. Parenting sure produces its share of angst doesn't it? Seems like it becomes more mentally challenging as the physical demands decrease.
I've been thinking about this issue a lot, too. I see my grandsons & their sweetness & generosity & their sense of wonder & I can't imagine either of them ever ever abusing anyone. I think most abusive men had abusive fathers (and/or mothers) and never got out of the cycle. I know far more good men than abusive men, but I think, in the way that bad memories stick with you, abusers leave a legacy of pain & misery that's hard to get past. Evil makes a strong impression.

I appreciate this post, and the way you write so beautifully of your son and daughter -- the love comes out in your words. I think they're going to be fine!
Suzie - "abusers leave a legacy of pain & misery that's hard to get past". Yes, sadly they do. I know I have to monitor my gut reaction sometimes and realize that I have blind spots and issues galore to deal with. So glad you came by. Thanks for your supportive words.