Ellie Lumpesse

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Ellie Lumpesse

Ellie Lumpesse
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Ellie Lumpesse writes about sex, BDSM, relationships, non-monogamy, feminism, and rhetoric. In addition to blogging, she produces the Bedroom Radio sex podcast and is a phone slut for hire.

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OCTOBER 24, 2008 10:05AM

Loose Woman

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This post originally appeared on my blog at lumpesse.com in February of 2007.

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Character
by Taslima Nasrin

You’re a girl
and you’d better not forget
that when you step over the threshold of your house
men will look askance at you.
When you keep walking down the lane
men will follow you and whistle.
When you cross the lane and step onto the main road
men will revile you and call you a loose woman.

If you’ve got no character
you’ll turn back,
and if not
you’ll keep on going,
as you’re going now.

I read this poem with my students today and asked them to think about the phrase “loose woman”. They brainstormed synonyms on the board - promiscuous, slut. I asked them if it was a positive or negative phrase - negative, definitely. I asked them to read the poem again and imagine that “loose woman” was neutral and without any particularly loaded connotation.

They looked at me blankly.

I read it aloud another time.

“How did that feel? How is it different?”

More blank stares.

“What if a woman called herself ‘loose’? Does the phrase lose any power then?”

They would think that she was a slut and wonder about her character.

“What if all women looked at this phrase as neutral, then what?”

The promising one raises her hand and volunteers that the poem is irrelevant without that phrase being negative. That it defines the experience of the poem and the message.

I ask her what it would say about one’s character to not just ignore the insult but to refuse to see it as one? “What happens,” I ask, “to the second stanza when being a loose woman is neutral?”

But it isn’t neutral and my moment of instruction failed.

Why? Because I am a coward. The woman I reference, who doesn’t pass judgment on this term, who embraces it or at least tolerates it is only an abstraction to them. I deftly avoided the opportunity to out myself, and for that reason my question must have seemed nonsensical and without grounding.

Now, all I feel is a sense of mild shame. Here I have judged this room full of 18-year-olds as being prudish and judgemental when I, too, conform to this standard. Indeed, I am not the mythical loose woman. It is not neutral. But I’ve called myself out and I will keep walking so perhaps I’ve at least maintained my character.

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It is hard to go against everything you have ever been taught. Sex and shame are wound together in disturbing ways for women and it all comes down to fear and control.

At least you are aware.

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What an interesting person you are.
"loose women" the uber terrorists of times past and present ! Jezebels! Harlots! Whores! Cortisans! How many ways !
It's clear you are a person who will find their way to the front of the room not matter what. Today it's your sexuality tomorrow it could be your literary or acting skills as they develop, and later in life your psychic abilities. I know, I'm the same way and have been all my life. The vehicle changes but the intent is the same if it's as strong as it is in you.
The problem with your students is life has not happened to them yet. We are a sum of our teachings and experiences. So far they have had little of either.

When I was their age. I grew up in a small county not far from Virginia Tech. During that time and era if a white girl dated a black boy, she never got the chance to date a white boy again. By todays standards that is silly, but not in 1975, not there. When I was 18 I had enough teaching and experience to see that was not the way I wanted to live and moved to Las Vegas. The other side of the coin is I knew the black/white dating rule was wrong, but would not have put the same decision on loose women.

Fast forward lots of years and life. Today a loose woman is someone who understands her sexuality and knows how to enjoy it. Now, as opposed to then, if I met a lady who I was sexually attracted to I could/would have sex with her if we wanted. The terms loose, slut, whore would not enter my mind.

Life happened and my education now makes sense. Give them the education, you thoughts and experiences, and when life happens they will then have both parts of the problem so they can add it up.
Years ago, a man I loved called me a loose woman rather affectionately, and publicly. I realized he was not husband material in the way he said it, with admiration & affection for someting he didn't really understand beyond what he got out of it. He said it the way people now say 'friends with benefits.' Bullshit. Those guys are rarely your friend. It's as if you are a 'brand.'
Susanne, You said "He said it the way people now say 'friends with benefits.' Bullshit." Why is it a HE that is not a friend? I was the friend for HER.

Don't point the finger just one way.
Catnlion, I wasn't in any way addressing your experience, only my own. I didn't know anyone like you, and I think you miss my point.

While I was able to love him, he didn't really see me. He saw a 'loose woman' that he admired and was attached to at the time. He loved me in his limited way. He didn't really know me at all. He knew what I was like sexually, which he liked very much, but his knowledge was devoid of what it would be like to be fully engaged and vulnerable with me. He didn't have anything at stake in the relationship. I was something that belonged to him, and that was really all I could be, a hot brand of loose woman, as far as he was concerned. That would never be enough for me.
Susanne,

I think you have a point, and if this is right, yes I missed it. So try this on for size and let me know if I'm on the right track.

You wanted more of a relationship than he did. He was wanting to stop at fun and to keep you around. However, you wanted the whole package. Is that correct?

Also as I reread it he would have to be somewhat of a jerk. He called you a loose woman publicly. I don't care how much affection he put in it, or how he put it, saying that in public would make him a jerk.

Now the statement that makes my mind go. You said you don't know anybody like me. Okay but what makes you say that? What kind of people am I?

BTW, you can't hurt my feelings, but you can make me wonder.
You show some concern and respect Catnlion, and that, is so much more.
Ellie, please don't feel shame. It takes an extraordinary effort, a never-ending series of small and large acts of will, to refuse to ever give into the programming that we all receive as children. I have read your posts and your other blog and find you tremendously brave in your continuing quest to destroy a system that still attempts to control us by separating us into "good" and "bad" women based on how we decide to act on our sexual desires. Rated!