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JULY 18, 2008 11:51PM

Point/Counterpoint: Rachel Ray

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 Being Rachel Ray is a feminist act. 

The current average American can name maybe 10 famous women who are not performers or musicians:  Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony, Sacajawea, Sandra Day O'Conner, Hillary Clinton, Oprah Winfrey, Barbara Walters, Martha Stewart, Julia Child, and Rachel Ray.

Three of them are cooks.  And the SCOTUS Justice in the list would most frequently be mistaken for John Conner's mom in the Terminater Movies.  Being a commonly known woman in American history is not a trivial thing.

Being named in FHM's hottest women for two different years is no small feat either.  Especially when you are a chunky monkey with a funny smile and tiny tits.   And yet, #92 in 2004 and #71 in 2006.  That big easy grin is a lot of that mojo.  What you call too perky may be someone else's hot cheerleader.  

For that is what Rachel is, a food cheerleader.  She is not a cook of any great accomplishment.  She is a woman who can get a meal in front of you in 30 minutes or less and do it without breaking down or throwing things.  She is a role model for housewifes everywhere and a cute one at that. 

Being on TV is difficult and she does it well.  She creates the illusion that you can do those quickie meals too.  All tv is an illusion, so critics who talk about the swaps and the poor presentation of the food may not realize that all tv uses swaps because virtually no one films in straight rolls.  The poor presentation of the food is on purpose.  She can afford food stylists to turn her slop into food porn and swap that out too.  But she is giving you a fighting chance at meeting her challenge.  You should thank her for that, as most of the food presented on television in the beauty shot at the end is not something you could eat in its construction and composition.  So for that I am grateful rather than scornful.

So I will dismiss with her food accomplishments and move on to other things to admire her for.  She has a sense of humor that is common and easy.  You have to be a WASP to really get Martha Stewart and Julia Child was hilarious, but only once you got to know her.  I like funny approachable people.  They make me feel relaxed. 

Her frenetic behavior is frequently due to the rush of getting the food out.  As a former line cook, I can tell you that that part is not an act.  Her speed and walk and talk attitude is necessary in a fast service kitchen.  With no one riding you to do it faster faster, you would seem placid and relaxed too.  But in a kitchen with a lot of kids waiting for dinner or a restaurant pace or a camera crew needing to get it done, her pacing would be a good model for how to crank the shit out and be done with it.  It is how most dinners land on American tables at night.  They may not be pretty food porn, but they will fill your belly and not cost a fortune.  I like that.  I also like the food porn shows, like Gourmet and such, but I cook like Rachel most nights.  It's good to be able to do both.

She shows you how to use the ingredients in a normal supermarket.  Out in the hinterlands where I might be shopping at the Piggly Wiggly instead of the Whole Foods, I need knowledge of how to use common ingredients, not exotics. Yes, I will fault her for making up words like sammie, EVOO, stoup, GB, and Yum-O.  But on the other hand, I have always considered myself a qualified speaker of the language and if I want to play with my words, I do.  Culinaria is not a word recognized in Websters but it ought to be, so I use it.  I grant her the same priveledge.  I am generous that way, crazy wing-nut freedom of speech creature that I am.

 She is enormously wealthy and inherited none of it.  That means she is living the American Dream.  I admire that.  She gives back to charity and her chosen charity is teaching children about nutrition.  I like that too.  I just can't find the criticism for giving kids excitement and information about something that is a huge part of their and all of our lives.

She is a publishing Brand.  Magazine and cookbooks alone sell in millions of copies.  This is phenomenal for a woman who is not a chef.  But neither was Martha.  She catered but she sold us a lifestyle.  When the marketplace figured out that that lifestyle was not possible, that her husband and child and homes were props and that her life just didn't function like she portrayed, we all revolted.  And there was a void left in the American homekeepers psyche.  We wanted a role model that was more real.  And we got her, Rachel Ray.

She has authored all of these books:

0 Minute Meals (1999)
Rachael Ray's Open House Cookbook (2000)
Comfort Foods (2001)
Veggie Meals (2001)
30-Minute Meals 2 (2003)
Get Togethers: Rachael Ray 30 Minute Meals (2003)
$40 a Day: Best Eats in Town (2004)
Rachael Ray's 30-Minute Meals: Cooking 'Round the Clock (2004)
Rachael Ray's 30-Minute Meals for Kids: Cooking Rocks! (2004)
Rachael Ray's 30-Minute Get Real Meals : Eat Healthy Without Going to Extremes (2005)
Rachael Ray 365: No Repeats: A Year of Deliciously Different Dinners (2005)
Rachael Ray 2, 4, 6, 8: Great Meals for Couples or Crowds (2006)
Rachael Ray's Express Lane Meals (2006)

And that list stops two years ago.

She is and has been the star of 5 Food Network shows that were popular and are now in syndication.  That means, that like Sally Field, people like her, they really like her.  She even has that same kind of girl next door appeal.  That may be the key to her success.  She is good clean all american fun without the pretension.  She is possible to be emulated. 

And that is why I am convinced that so many people hate her so.  She is famous without being extraordinary.  But the thing about that is, maybe we aren't acknowledging her biggest asset, her business accumen.  As a radical uppity woman in modern culture, you just got a love her for her success.  She has won the game.

And I will point out that she does it while being a woman who does not fit the corporate suit, who is a chunky monkey with adorable looks, and that did it all without a penis or a net.  And that counts.  That makes her a feminist even as she promotes being a homemaker.  And that is a hat trick if I have ever seen one.

Counterpoint at:  http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=5089

 

 

 

 

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As a radical uppity woman in modern culture, you just got a love her for her success.

No, actually, I don't. Her success is manufactured. Not earned.

And I don't see what is so terribly feminist about bathing in the sink in a daisy duke outfit.

Also, she's not chunky. Not unless the universe has changed and been replaced by some odd one where a size 6 is chunky. She says she is a size six.

Plus, perky and cute are accidents of birth. Nothing to admire there.

I'll give you that she is accessible but so what? I'm a snob. I prefer the women I admire to have some depth to them.

It wouldn't be hard to be Rachel Ray with the right genes and a good publicist and agent.

I wasn't crazy about Martha Stewart, either. But at least I get the feeling she could hold her own elsewhere and isn't just a bit of fluff who happens to have taken off as a brand.

Finally, if the ability to make money was what turned my crank...I would be in love with Bill Gates.
How can you say that Rachel Ray did not earn her success? It took work to get to the point that a Lifetime Channel or Food Network would take a risk on her - very hard work. Those channels don't just say "gee, we'll do a cooking show and identify just any old woman." It takes something special and a willingness to work hard to get the nod from the big boys who pay the big bucks. It's comparable to getting a high level job at a Fortune 50 company - they aren't juts handing those babies out. They are paying big money to the folks in those jobs, and put the real stars in them - the joke of Dilbert's boss is not a common sight in the large companies I worked for. At the executive level I reached, 80+ hour weeks were the norm, being on call for travel to clients to solve problems was something you expected to regularly interrupt your personal life, and constantly having to identify fresh ways to show you were competitive in this job, and a clear contributor to advancing the company's interests, was a must. I'm sure lots of people thought that getting a job like that at a company like that was 'lucky' but I assure you for the great majority of people in those jobs, luck had nothing ot do with it, and hard work and perseverance had everything to do with it.

Regardless of what size Rachel says she is, she is definitely larger than the standard typically met by women in broadcasting. Chunky is not too far off. The point being, it's fairly unusual for a woman who doesn't fit mainstream media's idea of beauty to be a raging success. Cultural factors are against someone like her succeeding - Oprah has gone a long way towards changing that, but all you have to do is spend a day watching news channels and commercials to see that Rachel Ray does not fit an entirely identifiable, dominant mold for female beauty in entertainment.

Perky is not necessarily an accident of birth - for many, it's a choice to be high energy about their work, and maintain the optimism and work ethic that this requires. To do so over a long period of time requiring 12-18 hour days is an accomplishment deserving of high pay - if it were an easy thing to do the airwaves would be packed with Rachel Rays, and they simply aren't. It's a field that only has room for a few big stars, and becoming one and maintaining it are not givens, no one hands it to you. Emeril LaGasse miscalculated his appeal - the sit com based on him went belly up very quickly. In contrast, Rachel Ray has been very successful in performing her shows at a level that consistently delivers an audience, and thus has won her more exposure through additional shows.

Early in her career Rachel Ray did a cooking show in local cable - a show she developed in her job at a grocery chain. She did this show without pay, in addition to her regular, full-time job, for years - this took some ambition, effort, willingness to sacrifice personal time for an ambition, and a real personal responsibility in at least partially engineering her own success by willing to do what others would consider being taken advantage of.

Rachel Ray offers a service that many people want, and it is no small thing that she has continued to find a way to deliver that service in a manner that is popular because it consistently remains unique, compelling and valuable among competitive offerings.

I don't personally watch her show but have found myself shocked at the animus I see regularly displayed toward her and her success.
Might I suggest that you and pretend_farmer edit your posts so that they link to each other? That way, people looking for the counterpoint to your article can easily jump over and see the other side of the coin.
I don't expect a book to come about Rachael Ray like it did for Martha Stewart that exposes her for a lot of negative and underhanded actions on her way to success. The book I'm referring to is "Just Desserts: The Unauthorized Biography" by Jerry Oppenheimer. Despite all of the questionable things Martha may have done here and there in the past I still think the benefits she has brought to society outweigh the negatives. My impression of Rachael Ray is that she has hardly any or no skeletons at all in her closet due to what I consider her innate ethical character.
Arlene, why you hatin?

Sandra, why didn't you do the work I did last night?!??!?!?
You already knew.

Mad_Typist. I forgot, I will add it now.

Designanator, I wanted to be the Rachel/Marthat of pottery before I got derailed...and I would have done it too if it hadn't been for that meddling kid....i had even already been on PBS with a show and had begun marketing myself.

I get her. I just wanted all those high stress people to begin making paottery becasue I find it relaxing and mentally challenging and completely antithetical to technology that surrounds us all day every day. She just wants us to eat in instead of out. I get that.

And anybody else: a good argument can be made for any side of any argument, you just have to find an angle that you can get behind and go for it.
Rachel difeinitely is a chunky monkey in the best way. She is really short to begin with and she has generous hips and legs. She is not "slender" or "model-like" and as Sandra said, not fitting the suit that they all want you to be able to wear on TV is a death nell that she has avoided. That perkiness is how she did that.

If you want to see a creepy smile, look to Giada De Laurentis.

But I did not praise her for her looks especially. I praised her because she could buy and sell most of us and she started out in a normal middle class working family and did it all on her own.

She is married with dogs.

For the record, I could have written the other side of this, becasue there is enough material out there to do it with even if i don't buy into it.

I am genuinely impressed with this woman.

(And the FHM shots don't hurt. I think they show a sense of humor about it all)
As someone who worked in the restaurant business (as I did for 20+ years), you neglected to address her abyssmal tipping. For someone wealthy and charitable, you'd think she could do better.

Also, the photo shoot you excerpted from contains some very unfeminine, some would say sexist, shots of her, one spread-eagled licking the chocolate off a spatula.

Never once did I say she doesn't work hard, I know she does. Personally, I find her grating and obnoxious as do many others, witnessed in droves in the tubes.

And I still don't like perky.
And I linked to your post, Ms. Priddy.
Oh no, I like Giada de Laurentis, a lot. David likes her more.
Giada has a creepy FAKE looking smile that makes her look strained all the time and was a DeLaurentis, as in movies. She is in fact a manufactured celebrity who became famous as a chef because of family connections and that some men get wood when they watch her cook. She went to extremely high end cooking scholls and still came out unable to cook in a pinch.

She has never done anything I haven't seen Jacques Pepin do better. She has no original ideas.

Rachel and Batali made Bobby Flay and Giada look like chumps in the Iron Chef Cook off between them and Giada's inability to cook in a crunch is precisely why they lost.

Giada sucks. I could write that one with no research.
And listen sister, I got spread eagle shots of ME licking chocolate off a spoon but I don't see anybody willing to buy them.

A feminist woman can do waht she wants with her body. Maybe it was amarketing move for her.

Everybody who is in entertainment and achieves common notoriety will eventually jump the shark. They sent Martha to jail about the time se did. maybe if they trumped up some bullshit about Rachel and sent her to jail she could get a second chance.

I hate her talk show and find it unwatchable, but she is good at what she does well.

And I will remind you that Giada has no skills that a second year culinary school candidate doesn't except that her uncle has connections.
And you know that I am just arguing for "fun", right. Do not take any of this personally unless you, too, are related to Giada or Rachel.
I know she's a di Laurentis as in the movies. Dino di Laurentis single-handedly ruined Wrightsvilld Beach for the locals when he builts his gianormous mausoleum on the dunes. Prices went through the roof and David and I could no longer afford to buy there. We even had a little bungalow picked out near the channel and had his GI Bill/VA benefits to use.

But we'll agree to diagree on Giada.

Mario Batali I love, even though he wears orange crocs. I want to see his Spanish travel show with Gwyneth Paltrow.
We can agree there. I love how Batali cooks and if the Iron Chef judges can be trusted, everything he cooks tastes delicious. I read a biography of him and a couple of his books and I knowhis secret, but I ain't tellin for free.
If you can come up with about 180,000, you could live across from me and I live nine miles from the beach. You would live across from the marsh in my post on 100 yards from home. You could use my kilns and studio if I could use your glory hole.

And if you would like trailer getaway, I know someone with one in a very ice place over directly on Atlantic Beach for about $16,000 with yearly dues of $2800.

I am not a Realtor, but I could hook you up with some property that I know is for sale but not being marketed heavily. They are for sale by owner places, but I know the owners.

I would do that just to balance the DiLaurentis karma at Wrightsville beach.
There are a couple of things we have noticed about tv cooking shows the first of which is nearly everyone uses the sharp end of their large heavy knives to scrape up an ingredient that has been chopped. The knife together with the other hand is then used to transport the ingredient to the bowl or pot, etc. Rick Bayless is the only chef we have seen not to use the knife as a scraper and scooper on any of the shows we have watched of his. We feel using a knife this way dulls the blade and risks cutting your other hand in the scooping process. That seems like a bad idea to show the inexperienced home chef.

The second thing we have noticed is loose, flowing clothing used in the kitchen by a variety of tv chefs. Again, a hazard, particularly with stoves or grilles using gas.
Yes, I know it's all in fun. I'm having fun; how 'bout you?

BTW, I betcha JD would buy those spread-eagled chocolate-licking shots. You've developed a fan club.
The knife I use would frighten most home cooks and I do everything with it, including sharpening it. I cut on a small cutting board that I can lift and dump from. I never use my blade for transport.
I like arguing when I am not angry.

A fan club of one is called a stalker. Lucky for me I keep my stalker close. I love JD. But he ain't getting the pictures.
We have two scraper devices here that are specifically for scraping and transporting, yet I rarely see them used. One of them has "The Galloping Gourmet, Graham Kerr" etched into the metal so he may have been like Rick Bayless in avoiding the knife as transport routine on his shows from years ago.
My point should have been clearer and said I haven't seen much use of scrapers on tv shows--however, they get plenty of use in my kitchen.
Another pet peeve we have of certain cooking shows is the lack of ingredient amounts given to the viewer. Sometimes the answer lies in the companion cookbook they are hawking. When this happens on PBS we feel the public is being ripped off as we helped to pay for the programming through tax dollars. By contrast, I have seen some shows that amount of each ingredient on the screen in addition to the chef verbalizing it. These shows rise to a high level of professionalism in our minds.
"A fan club of one is called a stalker. Lucky for me I keep my stalker close. I love JD. But he ain't getting the pictures."

Oh, so now I'm a stalker? I didn't ask you for your freakin' chocolate covered Georgia O'Keeffe pics! Jeez.

And here I was about to send you the out-takes of my calves photo shoot. Well, fat chance of that now! I'm going to go pout.
This post is like crack to a lurker.
BTW, to all: I am as much irritated by "Yummo" as the next person, but Rachel Ray did that sexy photo shoot as a self-deprecating lark. I guess she should have known she would be hated for doing it just like people love to hate her for everything else.

I saw a bio documentary on her career somewhere on the cable channels a while back and just like Sandra said, she worked her ass off for free for many years. Rarely are there overnight successes unearned in American life. Ray herself didn't know that she would get to where she is. Fate and luck have something to do with it, but behind the scenes, she did the work, she paid her dues.

So she squirts a little lemon juice into her Kraft Mac and Cheese and calls it "zesty macaroni." Eh. Big deal. Cooking shows are more boring than watching a "flip this house" show. Cable is a vast wasteland with more commercials than content. Go outside. Ride a bike.
Better to be "like" crack than to show actual crack, Lonnie.
That's why my chocolate O'Keefe's are staying under wraps.

She posed for them and signed the release, I am just sharing her largess, or large ass as it were, with friends. Cause I'm nice like that.
You are one wise cracker, Priddy. And I mean that in a good way.

And if I might weigh in on the RR chunky/creamy debate, I kinda think she seems like a ripe plum.
Priddy, if I coud return to the Outer Banks, I would, If I could move to the Boulder vicinity, I would. Hell, if I could move to Mendocino, CA, I would. Unfortunately, barring a huge financial windfall, we can't do any of those things. David has a good job and golden handcuffs. I'd have to become a very lucrative writer and/or glass/fiber artist to make up for his financial contribution.
I know...I am keeping my man, too.

Good thing I like him "like that"!
I purposely did not enter into the body issue when it came to RR. I found poisonous websites that described her as flat-chested and huge-assed. I could care less about her figure though, from an aesthetic point of view, I don't find her proportional but good on her for not augmenting her breasts (knock on wood) to even her out. I don't think she's all that chunky, though I suppose by TV standards, she is. Body size/style never stopped Oprah but she is a whole other ball of television personality.
Oprah is black and black women are allowed to be fat and fabulous. I am fat and fabulous, but there is no market for me. White women have to be skinny. I almost mentioned in my post that she crossed the racial barrier of having a fat ass be ok. I love that about her. And I know she may be asize 6 and that is not large, but if your ass is a 6 and your top is a 2, you have a fat ass. It's a good thing. Own it, and let others love it. They will.

I chose the sudsy sink shot because she genuinely looks like she's having fun in the picture and she is just good clean fun. I liked the visual confirmation of my point.

And it is kinda hot and Sally said sex sells, so I am working that angle on this.
Flat-chested? I thought that's what everybody's been referring to as "perky," and I couldn't figure it out, cause, to me, "perky" is a good thing...
elizabeth-

Cuz I can.

Sandra, you are taking this far too seriously.

Those channels don't just say "gee, we'll do a cooking show and identify just any old woman." It takes something special and a willingness to work hard to get the nod from the big boys who pay the big bucks.

Yes they do. She was teaching a class for her job as a holiday promotion. She was approached by a CBS news affiliate to do a show. Then she was approached by the Food Network and given 360, 000 dollars.

She didn't plan for that. It just happened. There was no slogging through the public access channels involved. The big boys like perky little cheerleader types. And that is exactly what she is.

Which brings me to perky. When perky is a choice, it is worse.

Besides, this is an irrational hate on I have for her. I don't have to explain it.
That's funny, Lonnie. It's been so long since my tits were perky, if ever. My daughter's breasts are too huge to be perky (but the men seem to have no problem with that). I had completely forgotten that use of the word.
so what the hell is wrong with being perky? I dont' get the hate for this.

I am often accused of being perky. I don't like the word but if you are high energy and under 5'5" it appears you are stuck with it. For some reason no one ever accuses a six footer of being perky.

So I guess there are people here on OS that would hate me if they met me.
I don't know why my picture is gone.

I included the FHM and the author's credit at the bottom. I don't get it.

Someone please explain.
momentary glitch. This is intellectual/educational use, isn't it?
Good. You look at that picture next time you start your trash talk about The Rach.

(It just went away for aminute with the little x in the corner and I feared I had infringed or something and would need to go and get a new picture. I have been careful to only post my own pictures for te most part and in the winners post, I figured if you put your nekkid ass out there in the competition, it was fair game for the awards ceremony. Ah..good times. It seems like only last week...oh yeah, it was two days ago. Internets time is fast.)
Sandra, nawww. You'd also have to be chirpy, endorse every product that they throw at you and achieve market saturation, name your dog Isaboo and say thing like "de-lish" or "EVOO" before you'd get hated.
e : Sorry, I can't take this lying down, calling Julia Child a "cook" is like calling Eric Clapton a "guitar plunker", the woman was a goddess. But I do like your knives though, most people would be intimidated by a 10" chef's knife. I couldn't live without mine, but I did weaken and get stainless, because high-carbon can leave grey residue on some foods. Oh, and JD beat me to the request for the request for the spatula snaps.

Sandra: Nobody calls tall women "perky", because the same behavior in anyone, regardless of gender, over 5'6" is scary.

P-F: To paraphrase whomever: "When I hear perky, I reach for my revolver".

JD: There's at least two of us, so you can retire your "Stalker" t-shirt.
Julia Child is a whole nuther post for me. She is why I am not a redneck from the sticks in NC with five or six illegitiamate kids.

She made me know there was something better out there and that if I educated myself, I didn't have to live that life. Her and PBS, TV.

My 10 ich is cleaned after each use and put into a wooden block dry. It only leaves the marks I want it to.

Stainless....we don't need no stinkin' stainless.
Rachel Ray certainly has something. My BF, who generally could care less about any cooking show (though he's learned to like Alton Brown because of the science and gadgets), actually likes RR. He's even been known to adopt some of her household tips.

She is cheerful and uncomplicated, so I can understand the appeal, since she's not much like me. ;~) I do make him laugh; I'm just more complicated and not quite so perky, personality-wise.
I idolize Julia Child, cried when she died. None of these celebrity chefs, good or bad, annoying or loveable, would be here without her. And she had a full life outside of cooking. I read her biography and was impressed beyond what emtions can convey.

I think you'd have a hard time finding someone to take the counterpoint on the grand dame. If they did, they'd be flambe-ed to oblivion.
A counter-point on Julia Child!?

Impossible!
I haven't heard anybody else offer to be part of a Priddy samwich. I want a stalker t-shirt, dammit!
SNL already did the only counterpoint possible on Julia Child, and it rocked.

I can't figure out how to post it other than this way:
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=23497311
e - I wasn't referring to rust, I was referring to the grey left behind when even a perfectly maintained carbon-steel knife comes into contact with an acidic food. It's normally invisible and doesn't leave a taste, but can show up if the food is very light colored, e.g. a white (not pale yellow) cheese.

And if somebody did a counterpoint on Julia, I wouldn't flame - I'd just "pity da fool", cluck my tongue sadly, and be embarrassed for them.
She's popular because she's unchallenging. I think that if you want challenging, or discerning, or whatever, then she's going to be irritating - but she's not for you, if that's the case. I think that she's for the people who grew up on frozen and other pre-fab foods and who are getting crap food in multiple nights a week because they really have no idea how to cook. And there's no sin in that, if anything, it's a good thing. [/Martha]

The challenge of being like Rachel Ray, though, is that when you pitch yourself as an everywoman, the fame and millions and adoring fans accosting you in the street dent it a bit - and eventually it becomes a schtick.

The only things I find objectionable about her is the short tipping and the inane prattle. It's got nothing to do with being "high energy" and everything to do with verbal quantity over quality. I know that having a television show about food is like having a podcast about art, but take a crack at describing the taste for heaven's sake.

I am mystified by the animus some people have about her appearance, but - at the risk of over-sharing - as a long-time fan of the big ass / small chest look, I find her quite alluring on mute. She's no Nigella Lawson, but that's a separate issue...
John, I use the little one with the wavy blade for cheese. It is stainless. I was just teasing. Stainless is good for some things. If I can ever get to a store where i can try one first, I want a ceramic blade just for the type of thing you are describing. I taste metal with even the finest trace of it and I want a ceramic knife just for tomatoes.

I think that puts me somewhere beyond foodie in the spectrum of too into your culinary art...
What kind of "sammie "are you talkin about Lonnie, cause I am only seeing the two of us here unless you have a serious inclination for bears as my husband is a real bear.

You said you were looking for work, but it won't pay much...
haggis-

Being a tall/blonde/big chest/small ass version myself, the opposite attracts me. And that would be her. So I am partial.
e, I have a ceramic paring knife. Wouldn't cut fruit without it, although a 6" chef's works in a pinch.

Yeah, way back in my misspent youth, I spent a few (7) years in kitchens as well. It really was like Bourdain wrote in "Kitchen Confessions", but I managed to avoid the drug habit. But sometimes, in my crazier moods, I think you could talk me into going back.
I would work in a kitchen in a heartbeat. I was a saucier at my best and a line cook when necessary.
Well, crap... i made an offer on a different thread yesterday or the day before to be the meat in a Priddy-LeCastor sammich, but I can't remember what post or what the hell got into me to make such a gesture. I must have had a particularly full-heart moment.

Between your hub and AZDavid I'm probably skating on really thin ice around here now. How come this doesn't happen to JD?
My husband has seen my knives and me using them. He doesn't worry about me much.

I was just letting you in on what you were getting yourself into. He wasn't gonna best the crap out of you, you were being relegated to the meat!

Funny how men never think they might be the meat in a threesome...I told you to watch that soap!
Lonnie, once I remarked to my husband how I had never had a threesome (as in been with two guys, I'm not into sharing) and he said go ahead if that's what you really want to do. But I didn't because deep inside I'm a good girl, I am.

And I'm the large breast, small waist, larger hip shape. Once upon a time, I was the medium chest, tiny waist, large hip type. To each his own but I'd like smaller breasts to tell you the truth.
"How come this doesn't happen to JD?"

1. Because their husbands know I'm just kidding -- a little harmless flirting.
2. Because to the best of my knowledge I have not suggested a manage-a-trois or a "Sammy" as you put it with anyone here. That's as icky as naked butt.

3. And most importantly, I guess married men (and women) see me as harmless since I'm officially a senior citizen whereas you appear to be able to back up your talk with action (see butt picture again).

I'm just a little old harmless guy who wouldn't dare stray from his vows lest I be able to go from tenor to soprano C6, two octaves above middle C almost overnight, if you get my drift.
But I have to say that if Rachel Ray ever asked me to play "this little piggie" with her and some EVOO, well I guess I'd just have to risk becoming a steer for that.
"I remarked to my husband how I had never had a threesome (as in been with two guys, I'm not into sharing) " -- PF

But it wouldn't be you who was doing the sharing in that case, it would be the two guys. Two guys, I might add, whose necks David would snap like chickens. Who are you kidding?

Since I'm feeling foolish this afternoon, I guess I'll just go ahead and confess that in my hippy youth, my best male friend and I did indeed share a "sammy" with a girl in the middle and neither one of us felt the least bit funny about it. In fact, if you really think about it, which you shouldn't, you'd have to conclude that the parts all fit together better that way anyway. :-)
That's the thing, JD and I are awful flirts. But deep inside we are loyal to a fault and would not stry given the opportunity.

Look, I do like to argue with strange men. You pick a topic and as long as it is not sports, I will spar with you. I do not want to do that kind of indepth research as I start from nothing on sports.

Point/Counterpoint?
Yes, J.D., that's exactly what I was thinking. And am trying to stop thinking about now.
"I'm just a little old harmless guy"

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH OUR FRIEND J.D.????
Am I not harmless? Am I not flirting? Jeez, just because a guy has bright glutes, people assume all kinds of things about him...
Shhhh, Sandra. I'm trying to look innocuous and innocent here. You know us Southern Illinois boys better than that.
Well, sex does sell, obviously.

See how this thread has gone from a RRRant to 3-somes with JD and Lonnie. I am in love with Lonnie, btw, in a seriously stalker kinda way, good thing we're on opposite coasts and JD has forbidden me to stray with any other. (And it's not the moon it's the humor. I'm a sucker for a guy who makes me laugh. A tight, strong ass doesn't hurt, but my guy has one of those too).

I can't contribute to the RR debate anyway since I'm a Jewish Princess and as you ALL know, we don't cook. Like hell. I cook my size 6 or 8 ass off, I just can't follow recipes, it's like trying to keep up in Chemistry Class. Hopeless.

I do feel as though I should describe my breasts and other parts now but it would be too hard on JD and Lonnie. (Yes, I meant to oops that way).

And boys... I loooove chocolate....
But do you have pictures?

Cause if you do, we could share them in innocent artisticinterestes while they (and I mean Lonnie and JD) bite their lower lips and cry just a little.

Sometimes just being a woman in full bloom is enough in and of itself...
What I just posted was EXACTLY the 69 th comment.

DINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDINGDING

confetti, et al.
Sally, you shameless hussy. We need to form a club.
I have pictures and I'm not afraid to use them. I'm medium petite but very well rounded... as my husband says, lush. Since you are medium large and also very well rounded (plus, I've seen, also lush), I think we'd make a great point/counterpoint photo duo, Prid. You're the Artiste, where should I send my shots?
Okay, Lauren, you're in too... we will make them SOB!
You realize that I will do this. No kidding.

And tastefully. I could make it beautiful, like the "three muses" or some other highbrow shit like that!

my regular email for things of this nature is epriddyclay@yahoo.com.
Jeez Guys, when I left this was a nice, innocent cooking thread.

I suppose I should have know sex. sex, sex, that's all women think about. You all have one-track minds! I, for one, am saving it for marriage, no ring, no nookie. OH, and it had better be a church wedding, no Las Vegas drive throughs, thank you very much.

So there! (He says, flouncing off stage left)
You were so distracted that you forgot to mention what you had come back in the room for. I thought that only happened to old people like me!

Really. What was on your mind. I envy your ceramic knife.
Okay, remember that old commercial for some perfume, a woman is lying on a chaise lounge by a pool, legs bent at the knee but you only see her as if you're standing at her head, just the torso and thighs. I have a shot of me like that. (Shush, Lonnie, stop whimpering). Or do you want standing, sitting, what?
This blog is MUCH more fun than mine!
My intention would be to take any shapely shapes and take them into photoshop, join them in some interesting way and then change it so that you wouldn't really know who is who or what is what.

It would be beautiful, but that description is not the best way of conveying that.

You would have to just trust me to be discrete. Send a couple and I will possibly use you as twins and really make them suffer.

And now.......I will describe how to make sausage....
I'm thinking a Faith Hill-esque pose, wrapped (sort of) in sheets and with wavy hair cascading over the pillow behind me and a leg and arms exposed, maybe some cleavage. Suggestions?

Man, we've gotten off topic here.
And I will post it all, like flamingos or pomegranates.

Send me something. It'll be fun! You to Lauren.

Lonnie, you hold up. This is a feminist art project. No men. The very thought of what might be in my inbox disturbs me. I'll do all the men later. Or whatever.

Just ladies. Something with nice shapes, don't worry about color or contrast or any other distracting inclusion in the photograph. I can change all of that at will.

Isn't that kind of scary and exciting at the same time. My sisters were watching me do somethinglike this once and I found out in detail every little thing they disliked about their bodies. By the time I "corrected" all the things they wanted to change, there was nothing of them left.
We could even do a women of OS calendar (and a male one also) to raise money for the convention!
Roger, welcome into the muddy waters of free association among friends. It's very jazzy here. And we're SO into your post, go see. And help us grow.

Prid, I will send a few. I trust you implicitly.
Lauren, that Faith Hill shot from breathe would be an excellent base layer. Just have David take it and send it to me.
Good morning e, the ceramic knife is made by Kyocera and it's the yellow-handles one here . They're not expensive and I really recommend them.
I'm sure I speak for Lonnie when I say that we both are "up" to the challenge.
I've got more of Sally than I needed to know!

Anybodye else?
Lauren?
Arlene?
Lurkella?

You can have til tomorrow to get them to me and I will post on monday.
Bah.

Robin Miller puts her to shame.