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SEPTEMBER 5, 2008 9:41AM

Passing for Black in 1978, White in 2008

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This was a comment in another thread and got kind of long and complicated.  So I am posting it here so as to not high-jack  his post with the vitriol that may come my way for saying this "out loud".  I expanded only slightly here.  For some reason, this post really makes me nervous.  It brings up fears that whites will not understand me as one of them and that blacks will resent me because I feel that I understand them but have had none of the social ramifications of being black.  Until 5th grade, I did.  I remember what that was like and yes, it is easier to pass.  But inside, I am no different from Amanda and Vornetta.  And I dedicate this post to Amanda, Yolanda, Vornetta, Carl, and Chris, my childhood friends.

Since Obama won't talk about this now that the real election has started, I will. 

In the 30 years in between 78 and 08, I have had some very strange racial journey.  I am trying to describe it below.

Let's define a few terms.  A "nigger" is an uneducated, powerless, socially uncouth, demeaned member of an underclass.  A "white nigger" is the same person, only white, (I can say that as I was perceived as such and called that for the first 15 years of my life.)  A white nigger is differentiated from trailer trash, because trailer trash is still considered purely white, and is sterotypically racist.  I moved out of my comfortable black/white/poor community and into a trailer park when I was very young, then moved off the grid into the deep country and worked fields and lived in extreme poverty.  I got out of all of it when I was 16 and accepted to NCSSM, a charter boarding school for 11-12 graders gifted in Math and Science.  That experience is another story.  I self-identify, according to a Harvard study on Race as a middle class black woman.  I am a middle class white woman, in actual fact.  But I sometimes don't agree with or understand white people.  Just like a lot of blacks do not understand or identify with media-induced stereotypes of blacks.

Bill Cosby is a PhD, powerful, socially smooth, beloved member of the middle and upperclass. The reason his remarks, several years ago now, about niggers sting is because he is not a lot different than a "white lady" trying to help at this point in his career.

He is so far removed from the problems of blacks, that he is not one of "them" anymore.  And his remarks distanced him even further.

He is clearly black, but not treated as such by society.  As far as his lifestyle is concerned, he has been part of the wealthy elite since the early days of the Cosby show, over 30 years ago.  Even in his early comedy career, he differentiated himself from the black community.

So if I were black, I might not listen to him with the same energy as I would from....I don't know who, because I am not black.

The leader black people need has to come from within. Charles Barkley is an example of someone out to institute change from within and is getting into politics.  He would be one to look to.

Spike Lee has problems, because while he profiles and exposes some aspects of black life and culture, it is filtered to get through to a generic audience for profit in the industry, which means that it is sanitized and removed from its source material.  The "Kings of Comedy" is his best work in terms of bringing the voice of black culture into the mainstream.

Bernie Mac was the most authentic voice to my ear, a white woman raised among blacks in rural NC.  He sounded the most like the "normal" black people I have known and loved. 

As to the rest of the Kings:  Hughley is a very angry man, so much so that his voice gets lost in his anger, too "urban" for me to understand.  Cedric is so "black" that white people can't understand him, he also is usually "in persona" which makes him hard to guage.  And Steve Harvey is so religious that he is not a person that I can understand.

Bernie Mac was a hero of mine.  I loved him because as he said himself, he was never going to pass, ever, but he was going to be a man and talk about reality, not some made-up dream world of black life.

Chris Rock is also acceptable to whites but I am not sure how accepted he is to blacks.  I could see his attitudes as somewhat grating to blacks, and he is kinda scary to a lot of white people, because he also is very "angry".

So who is left to provide roll models, music industry people? They are not real people.  They are people who fit the suit and entertain for a living.  Even when they do good, it seems weird.  Look at Brangelina, a good-doing team, yet really weird to white people.  I would imagine that many black artist/entertainers are as far removed from their communities as Brad and Angie are to whites.

It takes normal people to foment a radical uprising within a community, radicals are too easily taken down for being radical.

The trouble for Cosby is that he was radicalized for blacks.  He passed a little too long and a little too hard to be "one of their own",  and yet he is too black for many whites, as well.  Result: racial limbo.

Which brings us all round to Obama.  Same problem as Cosby, as I see it.

I am not some racist old white lady.  My upbringing was to have been raised alongside my mother's friends' children.  She worked in a sewing factory in a small town.  She had a lot of kids from different men and was seen as a sister by the whites.  She was part of the black community and I didn't know I was different from any of the other kids taken care of before and after school by Aunt Gert and Miss Nettie until I got to 5th grade.  On the bus one afternoon, an older black girl beat me up for playing with her sister and causing her problems ( making others dislike her even more than they did because she was very light skinned with freckles and "good" hair.  This was 35 years ago in a very small town in the south ).  A middle school segregationist. 

She was really just trying to avert grief her sister was getting for associating with a white girl, something that had not happened until middle school.  I imagine she told her about it at home and then decided to solve it for her.  I got the better of her in fight number two on the bus, but I knew when I had it literally beat into me that I could never be a sister with my blonde hair and super white skin. 

My friends, two black guys (twins) who were also in all of my art classes, were very dark.  I got seriously hostile vibes off the white kids when we sat together on the bus and drew together on the long ride home.  I heard them hiss, "nigger-lover" and "white nigger bitch".  Carl asked me once if I was a 'sister" when I was about 13.  I said, "Yeah, I guess so, I have three sisters."    He laughed at me and it took me another few years to put it together and understand what he was talking about.  His father made it clear that I was not to contact him again and that I should just find myself one of my own kind when I looked him up during one summer visit home from college.  I just wanted to talk to an old friend, but at least I understood what I was being told.  It hurt, but I was not going to cause him problems with his father.  He found out I had stopped by, and so he came over to visit me and he's doing well.

Funny how in the summer when my mother and I cropped tobacco alongside blacks and mexican migrants, we were all the same.  But as soon as we went to school, I had no friends because socio-economically, I was black.  But all the white kids thought I was one of them, so blacks didn't see me as an option.  As I have percolated up from poverty into the middle class, my "white-cred" has gone up and I am no longer in touch with the black community, although I have many friends of all ilks. 

I taught parks and rec classes for 10 years and the director of the program is black.  We are friends, but Beaufort is very segregated and so I am also in racial limbo.  I put my son into the local More at 4 preschool program instead of the local white church daycare so that he will get to know black kids in the neighborhood.  In the other program, he would never meet black people.  But I know this community and as soon as the pressure starts, he will be segregated with the white kids.  Not much has changed in 30 years.

But I still don't feel there is any difference between me and black people.  Bernie Mac was the most normal sounding man I heard coming from any arena of public discourse, bar none. 

Now that he is dead, who can take his place?

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This post has a lot to do with why I started my blog a few months ago.

Check this link out:

http://simplifythepositive.blogspot.com/2008/07/series-promo-page.html

Its a five part series I ran entitled "What Do We Want?" that addresses some of the issues you raised here.

If I get around to it I might post one or two of them here.
Thank you Stella. I just want people to actually start talking.

Brown Man,
I went and read the 5 part series. I hope you post all of them.
Your graphics are awesome, by the way.
That is really nice of you. The feed is completely too fast now for anything to matter or get read.
I'm not attacking you Elizabeth. And it may be that I am reading more into what you wrote than was there.

I think that successful people can often forget where they came from as they get older. But really, its more like the game has changed on them. My dad very vividly remembers what it was like to grow up on the Southside of Chicago, very poor, without parents. But what he doesn't understand is that growing up very poor, on the southside of Chicago, without parents, looks a lot different in 2008 than it did in 1939. He understands what it is like to try and raise a family on a middle class income. What he doesn't understand is that raising a family on a middle class income looks a lot different in 2008 than it did in 1970.
Then we can start over from here. your other comment was so offbase and bizarre considering what you know of me that I am just taking yours and my response out.
The point of this post seems to be "Who can take the place of Bernie Mac?" I have to say that I did not realize Bernie Mac had such a place of importance in American culture, and this post doesn't really convince me that he did. But as a statement of the author's cultural identity it *is* a very powerful essay, rooted in genuine experience and told in a direct, unpretentious way.
It would be so great if everyone recognized that the experiences you had as a child are not extinct. Not by a long shot. They're just out of sight, and for some of us, out of mind.

A roommate who was a sociology student once said to me, "Whether you personally hold prejudices against minorities or not, as a white person, you are still contributing to racial prejudice and you always will be."

She didn't say it angrily, just in a matter-of-fact way. I utterly disagree with her, and find that remark unfair. Does this make any sense to you?
thoughtful and thought-provoking post. I agree w/ Stellaa's point about how class can often subsume race. I am interested in the answer to why people don't want to talk about it....
Spoons,
She's only correct inasmuch as the existence of whites is necessary for "non-whites" to exist. Maybe more directly she could say that any distinctions between one ethnic group and another will perpetuate comparisons simply by their existence. But that is not really what she was saying, I think.

I think what she meant was that any overclass that oppresses another class or group of people will perpetuate the oppression as long as they exist, even when the oppression has ceased in real time, it still has an overall effect that is reinforced by the continuing presence of the overclass.

No. She was wrong. I am pretty good with twisting an argument to make it make sense, and even I cannot make her premise work.

Your simple existence doesn't oppress anyone.

And thank you, Mark. I wasn't sure exactly what I was writing about, so it is fair to say that the piece misdirects at the end. But Mac was who I was thinking about when I started remembering how things went for me. I hope the essay gets people to think about who they are in a bigger sense of all of us instead of insular groups.
Thanks ePriddy, for venturing to speculate on that. You express yourself much more clearly and eloquently than my erstwhile roommate did. I suspect your interpretation is probably correct.
I happen to be in the middle of reading The Secret Life of Bees at the moment, Elizabeth, and although the character's life was hardly like yours, I think she's experiencing a little recognition of identifying with being black. Not quite, just a little...

Thanks for this post.
Just to clarify, I was never confused about my race, I just didn't think it meant anything. I was a kid. Aunt Gert loved me, played hyms on her piano and had us sing, Miss Nettie would let me try to cross stitch. We girls did each other's hair, played dress up. ALl normal stuff that you do when you play as a kid. Vornetta and I debated the proper way to color with crayolas. I always thought hers looked better than mine, but I could do it faster. She always colored in very tight little rows of circles like a computer filling an area with pixels on a slow machine.

Carl and chris were twins, but Chris was very shy. Carl and i drew pictures. He was very religious and drew the fantastical creatures from revelations. My friend Kevin, white, drew race cars. I drew people.

Because my mother never taught me any different, there were no adult white men around, and the term "nigger" was never used anywhere near me, I just didn't think we were different. It took school to make that happen, and racists, and just plain evil coming in and touching me for the first time in my life.

Being isolated was good in many ways. It was the people that were the problem. After I moved to the trailer park, I got to know real evil. And it was something of a relief to move way out in the country. It was more isolated, again, but better than the things in that trailer park.

Brown Man said in another post comments that I made him "hot" because I equated being poor with being black. I did not mean to imply that. We were all poor in Nash County. Even the farmer that owned the fields that I worked in was poor. When we lived in town, it had about 400 people. Now it has about 600. And just as poor and just as segregated.

Aunt Gert's house was torn down to make room for a car dealership. It was next to the train overpass. Man it was exciting when the train would come by. It shook that little house. I think it made Gert nervous in retrospect, because she wuold start playing the piano really loud as it came by. I loved her. She made me feel special.

Miss Nettie's house was different, more like a garden that happened to have a house stuck in the middle of it. Most of the time was spent on the porch, shelling beans, playing, coloring. Until my mother would come and pick me up after dropping JuneBug, her friend, and Amanda, my friend, off after work. Barbara drove and I got childcare, a good barter.

It just occurred to me why my sisters didn't remember much of this. It was after my grandmother died. She had taken care of them, but there was a year or so there after she died and before I could go to school that I had different caretakers than them.

I am glad I wrote this, just for the opportunity of figuring that out.
Cool.
Blatantly honest and daring , priddE, out there in the mine fields of overt race and class analysis. I admire and eny you. I am white and have suffered greatly from the segragation of white people. I so wanted to play with the black girls on the playground when I was a kid. I was accepted for about a week. But I blew it when I started to talk like them. I loved how they talked. I have been too shy since then and have resisted reaching out in most cases except to those people of color very obviously in my socio-economic and educational class. I qualify as poverty stricken for a white San Franciscan, but I don't live like a poor person. And I have all the advantages of my race and education and situation. No excuses. Its just that it is my experience which informs me that we can not will away our racial divide with sheer hope and good intentions. But we can keep trying. I was a fan of Bernie Mac as well. Truly black. Truly open to crossing the racial divide and communicating with me, a white person, albeit through a television screen. Obama has communicated to me via a televsion screen too since his first national speech. But then Obama is a lot closer to me. He has never really claimed to be anything other that the child of an absentee African father raised by his whites. I think the fact that he grew up in Hawaii and Jakarta really removed him from the African American experience. And I think he is totally honest about that. Though he surely has enough cred, dark enough skin, clear enough vision, a big enough heart, the track record, experience in the coummunity and the wisdom to lead blacks and whites towards a better racial harmony. Even if Bernie Mac is dead.

(This is probably a ridiculous thing to admit, but noone is still reading anyway, so here goes: I have recognized that I have begun to be perceptibly more outgoing, friendly and comfortable with a broader range of black people in my larger community, at the Grocery Outlet, on the bus, and the like, since Obama has been reigning over the hearts and minds of my part of the world. Anyone else feeling the love?
Obama rejected the race and ethnicity of his loving white mother and grandparents in favor of "blackness" and is lionized for it. Hispanics and Arabs were willing to go to court to demand that they be called "white" regardless of looks and ancestry. Liberal whites who whine about racism will not stand up to the blacks (like Henry Louis Gates, Jr.) who demonize the late Anatole Broyard for "passing" for a white race that was his biological and cultural reality. Blacks have no right to claim anyone who "looks white" or otherwise nonblack for their "race." That is a "right" they claim which no one should respect.

http://multiracial.com/site/content/view/38/54/

http://multiracial.com/site/content/view/417/27/

http://multiracial.com/site/content/view/460/27/
I have sympathy for what you have been through and applaud the talent and tenacity that have helped you succeed in life. If only we could help everyone be successful in some small way.
Hi Elizabeth - this is one of those posts I rated but didn't have anything useful to add. After the discussion today on Kerr's thread about simple reponses, i decided to come back and say

Thanks for sharing. This experience is illuminating.

Note: I only have one outdated post on my blog so do not feel obligated to go look.