DECEMBER 28, 2008 9:53PM

A Composed Salad: 25 ingredients

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 An OS melange.

This is a list composed of two previous lists prepared when we were all betas and a new list of observations gleaned from the truly open OS.

The first ten are about me then.
The second ten are about fat chicks, of which I am currently one.
The last 5 are about me now and how OS has changed my online experience.

1.  I can throw 30 pots in one hour and can easily throw one 50 lb pot in one hour.  I fire wood, electric, raku, and chimney kilns that I have designed, built, and repaired myself.

2.  I went to a special high school for science and math but I do not care to do or deal with math and my interest in science is largely involving practical or Newtonian physics.

3.  I think that atheism and daoism are religious philosophies and that adherants are believers.

4.  I think that I am equally human to any other human but that our diversity within our equality is the most essential quality of our natures.

5.  I think that light and color shows and devices are the coolest things that you can have as long as the power supply holds up.

6.  I think that people who cannot find anything on cable that is interesting or worth watching show a stunning lack of curiosity about the world.

7.  I can drop a VW microbus engine, rebuild a starter motor, and have used a gear puller successfully.

8.  I cook at a professional level and can make the best soul food you will ever eat.

9.  My interests and passions are so well compartmentalized that debatable topics rarely get me upset and this bothers a lot of people that I argue with.

10. My skills as a designer are better than my skills as an artist but I am known mainly for the latter.

1-There are no significant health risks that I have that I would not have if I were not fat.  I am an insulin dependent diabetic that was diagnosed at a period of my life when I was athletic and fit.  Injecting insulin makes you fatter.  It is how the hormone works in insulin resistant people.  There are some diabetics who get skinny because of it.  Genetic lottery on that one.  I have chronic pancreatitis that was the result of injury in an auto accident.  I have degenerative disc disease that has caused two back surgeries, just bad discs-no trauma, not weight-related.  I am otherwise healthy, mentally and physically.

2-Fatness is a feature of people that they own.  You are never fat and not know it.  You know how to diet and exercise.  And you are choosing not to do it at a rate to effect change.  That is a freedom and a responsibility.  I do not eat like a bird.  That is what I did when no insulin worked for me.  I now eat like a normal hungry person who loves food.  And I do not have high blood sugars, just fat, to show for it.  It is a release from constant worry and vigilence.  I am embracing it.

 3-I have nice clothes.  I had to find them.  And I have to stay within a reasonable range of fatness to wear them.  Unlike chronic dieters, though, I stay a consistent size and do not yo-yo.  It is healthier and less strain on my heart, or so my doctor says.  But just like you, I have to notice when things are getting tight and cut back to maintain my wardrobe.  Although I cannot say that I have "fat clothes" as it is a distinction with no meaning in my wardrobe.  "Too fat" exists for me, it is when my clothes do not look good.  I am vain that way. (Yes, fat people can be vain.)

4-Deprivation does not give me a good feeing of control.  It makes me feel deprived.  I have not got that thing that makes me feel virtuous when I am giving up something.  Maybe it is a common trait in fat people.  I don't know, but I am guessing it might be a factor.

5-I don't like fake food.  I had to eat it for a long time just to get a reasonable A1c, but I hated it.  That leaves me feeling kind of smug now that real butter and eggs are back on the menu, trans-fats are being banned, and non-calorie-non-sweet drinks are popular.

6-Skinny people don't frighten me, but they make me sad.  I, being about a size 16-18, look at them and wonder what effort it takes for them to remain thin and if they have to give up a lot of good things in order to maintain it.  They look stressed to me, as thinness was only a fleeting part of my life and when it was with me, I was very very sick.  This is a pshychological phenomena called projection.  It is normal.  Just like when thin people imagine how unhappy they would be if they were ever "that fat".  In reverse.

7-Having been both thin and fat, I like fat better.  People don't cozy up to you and be nice to you just to be "with the skinny girl".  This happened to me when I got really skinny really fast.  I went to the same stores and public places and was treated like a completely different person.  No dirty looks, a rather obsequeous friendliness was the note of the day.  It was creepy.  I rather prefer to be an anonymous fat chick to being an object of desire.

8-There is a whole subculture of people who PREFER fat chicks, the fatter the better.  They are affectionately known as chubby chasers.  They creep me out, too.  I think objectifying a person based on their weight is like looking at an iceberg and deciding you know all about it.  There is a lot there that you can't know by looking.  The skinny chick you might like to drape on your arm could be a psycho from hell.  The chubby chick you don't consider could be exactly like your mom in every good way there is to be.  And vice versa.

9-I am a belly dancer.  I am good at it.  It requires a non six packed belly.  And fitness.  And a sense of your own attractiveness.  Belly dancers know the sensuous appeal of soft flesh.  They work it.  They own it.

10-I don't eat all the time.  I eat a lot three times a day.  And not as much as you think, as it is a metabolic thing.  A lot of fat people are pre-diabetic and insulin-resistant.  They don't know it, as they are not tested for it commonly.  That is a medical crime.  Diabetes can be avoided, usually with medication, but also with constant severe dieting and 7-day a week exercise.  Think about how you eat, how often you do 45 minutes of continuous aerobic exercise each day,  and decide whether you would be able to do it before you judge those who need drugs to stay alive.

1)  I have become less tolerant of intolerance as time passes.  The internet has shown me that there is a vast array of personality behind the opinions out there and just as much fakery.  But the truth will out.

2)  When you get to know people only by what they blog, you both don't have the first clue about who they really are and have more truth about them than most of their closest friends and family have access to.

3)  Blogging is an essentially narcississtic act.  Any attempts to save the world through blogging are doomed.  Blog as if no one is reading!

4)  I do not trust pseudonominous people.  All internet people are pseudonominous people until you meet them in person or have irrefutable verifiable 3rd party information about them.

5)  You can't be "friends" with people you don't know, but you have to go with what you've got access to.

 In some cranky, some fun, some serious, and some playful moments on OS, I have discovered that I like people more than I thought I did and less.  OS has decreased my desire to be a hermit and increased my desire to remain a skeptic of human nature.  It is like the tao, filled with the great variety of human experience.  Like an excellent dish, it hits all points on the palate.

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3) Blogging is an essentially narcississtic act. Any attempts to save the world through blogging are doomed. Blog as if no one is reading!

Amen.
So much to digest in your salad. Much food for thought and most of it wise and honest. Thanks.
I don't really know what's going on about the 25 things, but I'm happy to know 25 things about you.
As usual, E, you are wise and honest and thought-provoking. I wish that I could be half as comfortable in my own skin as you are in yours, but I'll keep working on it. Thanks for letting us get to know you better.
I love your list in 3 sections. And I love it that you are comfortable in your skin too .

List 1) I so want to know how to fix my cars! That is one thing I can't fix - unless it's something purely electronic.

List 2) don't be too sad for all skinny people. I just don't eat that much - one big meal a day and then healthy snacks. I eat when I'm hungry and don't when I'm not. When I was younger my metabolism was faster and I ate a lot. When it slowed down I just ate whenever my body told me too. I never diet , I love real butter and whole non homogenized milk. mmmm! And dark chocolate!

List 3) I'm a social creature by nature, I am happiest when I have people to collaborate and generally pal around with. Before the kids, this was fulfilled by my theater work - now it is filled by OS. Yes, not quite the same, but not bad either.

Thanks Elizabeth
"I have nice clothes. I had to find them. "

Where I used to work one of the most attractive ladies around was a "large" woman who had a beautiful wardrobe. She always looked great. Add to that intelligence and a sense of humor. The total effect was really quite striking. Body size alone doesn't mean that much.
I looked at old lists to see if any of them were still relevant and found that they all were.

And then 5 new ones emerged. So I decided to spill all the beans at once, consolidating the data.

I like these lists because they are concise and force the writers to edit and get specific. Which is the most interesting in terms of what to leave in and what to leave out!
Very interesting Elizabeth, and thanks for the insight.

You and I seem to be about the same size, and I understand all that you wrote about that.

I am sorry about the "pseudonominous "-ness I use. I have been live in the internet for 13 years and I have always protected my identity. But I don't hide it once I make a real acquatiance here that I trust back :-)
Excellent post. I think I cannot do a list like this yet and I really need to sit down and think about why. Its not that I think they are silly; its more that I have never done a list like this for me, let alone to share with anyone else.

I have some thinking to do. And you are the cause, Elizabeth.

;-)

Monte
The salad look interesting...
Oh Lordy..... Do I love this list...as usual, you not only hit it perfectly on the head, but you do it in a way that's self confident, cool and wise.

Fantastic!

-Jhone -
It's also a terrific....response, if ya get my meaning.
I do, I do get your meaning. And yes, it was.
Good to see you are still here in spirit if not the blog!
I wish I could be as cool about being a fat chick as you. It's strange; I've been fat forever. Once, through starvation dieting, I wasn't for about a year, and yeah, people treat you better, in a way that only feels good for an instant, and then feels really, really nasty and creepy. The thing is, my husband has gained weight, and I swear to holy God, I don't care -- he's as sexy to me as he was when we met, and he was much slimmer. And yet, knowing this and knowing that sexiness is not really tethered to weight, I still feel unsexy routinely -- I'm jealous of girls I see who are clearly unhealthily thin; I know they're unhealthy, but still -- how great to take up so little space! This is fucked up. But I can't seem to shake it.

Anyway, you set a great example. Thanks.
I think your honesty is one of your most admirable qualities. It is difficult for most of us to be as frank about ourselves as you always seem willing to be.
Love the honesty. I really like the weight/dieting points. I was chubby for a while and then got quite thin, but it is not easy for me to stay this way. I can only do it by eating less than what feels natural to me. I often do wonder if it's worth it and why I bother. Clothes fit better now, but I don't know that I am a happier person than when I was chubby.
Ah!....something I forgot to add...."chubby chaser" is a gay term. "Fat Admirer" is the "preferred" term by heterosexuals....

And whilst there certainly are creeps there.....I know quite a few classy, kind, smart and handsome ones...I swear!

Kisses!
As always, thought provoking, insightful, and intelligently written. You'd think I'd been reading you for a lifetime instead of a month! junk1
You are a feast unto yourself, elizabeth. I could sit at your table all day sampling the banquet that is you. I have not met you, so maybe can't call you a true friend, but nevertheless feel that in taking what we give each other access to, we will be very near the truth, and friends for it. Your raw honesty is, as always, more compelling than any story I could tell myself.
Frank, clear, honest, and insightful with just the right amount of humor. Great piece and observations. I am guessing you started this whole 25 list thing?
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It was your 10 list that inspired me to make my first list. (I'm very envious that you are a potter.) I think it's good to feel good in your body--and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks about how big your are. For me, doing yoga has made me enjoy using my body and I like that when I'm working I walk around all day and rarely sit. When I was a kid, because I was fat, I hated my body (I'd say this went up until I was about 40.) Most of my life I've looked just fine--but if you look outside to find out you're okay then self-worth will just go up and down like a yo-yo.

I like the opportunity to communicate with other people here. There are clues you get from real-reality about people that you can't get online, but I think social networking is a good thing.

You always have something interesting to say--and lots to think about.
I agree with you that blogging is, at its core, a narcissistic act. But I can live with that. There's more I would like to say at this point, but I need to go look at myself in the mirror.
I have read several of your pieces but this is the first time I am commenting. I think you know yourself well and are direct with your words and opinions. I love that you belly dance. Interesting salad. May I have my dressing on the side?
I can only throw a pot if it's light in weight and past it's usage. :-D

Kudos

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Fascinating list. I particularly like the "fat chick" section. That degree of clear-eyed understanding and insight is rare.

"When you get to know people only by what they blog, you both don't have the first clue about who they really are and have more truth about them than most of their closest friends and family have access to."

This is so true. I've made only one post so far and my heartfelt list fits this exactly.
Oh, Priddy, I loved this.

And I am putting this on a goddamned T-Shirt (size L) if you don't mind: "Deprivation does not give me a good feeing of control. It makes me feel deprived." A-Bloody-Men to that.