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AUGUST 4, 2010 3:39PM

Can potters make art from clay?

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A question arises among potters that always is divisive and can rend friendships.  Are we making craft or art?  What is the difference?  Are artists better than potters?  Are potters more down to earth and reality based?  How does a craftsman elevate his work to the level of art?
 
Quality art is an expression of an individual that uses good base design and then enhances or alters it with a personal point of view that will reach a broad base of viewers and draw them into the universal experience.

There is no reason to copy the past to do this.  Our current experience is sufficient to make new art meaningful and relevant to the future.

We have access to modern ideas that were simply not part of the visual and expressive vernacular of the past and artists who use these elements are what people mean when they talk about current or relevant art.

The idea that there is nothing new under the sun is usually coming from someone who doesn't like the modern age or who rejects change out of habit.  I don't want to be that person. Exploiting modern materials and doing things in new ways is part of my experience as a modern person and so it will naturally occur in my work as well.

I don't make shock art but I have never seen the unique combination of firing, color, and form that is essential to my work and I had to take 5 semesters of history of art to get my degree.  My work and style is unique among potters and brush painters alike, as potters usually don't paint like this and painters usually don't paint on pots.  Even within the china painting lexicon, I am unique in that I do not work at those temperatures.  I use modern ceramic grade pigments that fire to 2300 degrees, 1000 degrees hotter than most china paint decoration.  
 
I have used modern technology to make my work more permanent and with an increased functionality that enhances it for me, perhaps only me.  It is an esoteric quality of the work that is not even important in the greater scheme of a thing hung on the wall, but its quality and character will make it last forever, and that is a mighty long time!

There is plenty new under the sun, but it is up to you to make it.  Instead of trotting out old ideas that have been fully explored already, adding nothing new of significance, and calling yourself a traditionalist, you have to risk failure to be an artist.  That is the main difference between fine craft and art,  fine craft is virtually fail-proof as it is essentially working from templates already proven.  Art is new and a little dangerous if you are counting on paying the mortgage with it.  But some people do not feel whole when they do not make it, and that is a drive you cannot dismiss or diminish. 
 
(works shown are cone 7 stoneware slab ceramic tile formed by hand and individually  painted with high fired pigments in a chinese brushpainting style called xie-yi) 

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Absolutely. My husband is a potter who makes art from clay. You saw his work on my blog right?
Looking at the three samples above, the answer to your question is obviously YES. Just because something possesses a practical functionality does not mean it cannot be art. The functionality, in fact, may make the artistry even more challenging.
Procopius,
Thank you, and thank you for noticing that making it functional makes it that much harder to get it right and still give it the extra push it needs to retain expression and relevance.

AWS,
Your blog is a very dense package that interests me and leads me astray when I try to find things! I love that, but can you give me a hint on where to find that part?
For me, the pot is crafted. What I do after that is my art.
I think that the design process is an art and so when am conceiving of a new project or series, I wrap the process, the techniques, the ideas, and the execution into what will be a holistic vision without that it lacks something for me. And I mean that!
art: your unique idea. created to please and express yourself only. without the intention to include saleability.

craft: constructing a product with the intention of pleasing someone else weather for judgment or sale.

no matter if I hand build it or throw it people usually persieve it as a mistake. I love George Orr and original Pewabic Pottery
Yes! I love these pieces. I have a couple of raku pieces made by a friend, and they are art.

I have no ability to produce visual art, but I look at writing as both art and craft. I don't think the concepts have to be mutually exclusive.
I agree with art having functionality as well. That is why I love working with clay. I can't help but think of the section in the design part of the MOMA..tupperware and Target prescription bottles are among some of the objects that I have seen rotated there and they are art to me.
of course you are an artist, and pottery is an art form
Is it really argued?
Your work is in the best tradition of American pottery. Really stunning.

Many of us are drawn to functional art, and I think my fave museum in the whole world is the V&A in London, just chockablock with great crafts.

I am friends with an artist you may be familiar with, Michele Oka Doner. We grew up on the same block and recently took a walk in the old neighborhood, and I saw how she uses natural things to design great lamps, chairs and those magnificent floors in the Miami airport and many other places. Art, for sure. But functional.
As a minor collector of Arts and Crafts pottery, my bias is that pottery is definitely an art form. There are incredible works out there. To me, it is not about functionality, it is more about the craftmanship, beauty and presence of the piece.
Art comes in every shape and form. These are beautiful.
Love your work here. I really don't care whether it is called art or craft. I volunteer at a gallery and sometimes I think the debate matters mostly to the artists. It used to be that women's work was called "craft," while men's was called "art." Surely we can move on from that. Thanks for posting this.
Thanks for reading and commenting, it is interesting to hear non potters not-ranting from one side or the other on this!

People perceiving work genuinely engaged in..."mistakes" are probably user error!

Craft and art don't have to be mutually exclusive, but a lot of times they are. Many artists don't work as hard on craftsmanship as their ideas and many craftsmen do not try to introduce new concepts. "Crafty" is rarely a compliment and "Well, isn't that artistic!" is usually a slur cast at an unworthy object.

I started my career as an industrial designer and the functionality is part of my whole zeitgist as an artist. It makes it difficult for me to just make a painting.

They argue it to death about every three months or so on Clayart, a listserv for potters. There is a jealousy among some potters who want to be artists, and a scorn among some artists for people who make simple pots. As a person who made simple pots (nice ones!) for the first 15 years of my pottery life and who can still crank out a full service for 8 in one week when I need to, I have resolved the conflict by being able to do both activities on the same piece of work. It may be WHY I wound up going that route. I didn't want to be scorned by either side.

I HAVE seen those floors! Pottery is a small world. She may have seen my tile stuff, too, but probably less likely. Tell her I did the brushpainting article in Pottery Making Illustrated. She may remember it. The second image above was the title piece for the article.

The painted Rookwood pottery and the Batchelder tiles are my favorite works in the crafts movement. In art pottery, my favorite is Beth Cavener Strichter, whose work, while kind of disturbing, is kind of awesome, too. http://www.followtheblackrabbit.com/
she's incredible. I've never seen someone hollow out clay like that. Is that common?
I know you will agree in looking at the Japanese tradition in ceramics (they are highly advanced)there is little distinction (perhaps no distinction) between craft and high art. Talking to Japanese artists over the years, I found they regard all art with the same level of respect. They were conscious of, and researching pure abstraction long before Western culture...
That's a common sculptural technique with clay. You can carve it solid as a block, but then you have to get it back to a consistent thickness in order to fire it without shattering the clay.

Her images are kind of creepy, which is particularly startling with respect to clay, which is not really that kind of medium on the whole.
Japanese culture has had an undeniable influence on American Ceramics. I actually try to keep away from it in my work as I find too many potters don't really understand Japanese ceramics and consequently make slightly off kilter derivative work as a result.

My strongest influence is in Chinese brush painting and the American pottery workshop traditions. The painting is easy to see, but the process of how I work in series and the way I work as I physically generate pieces is harder for a viewer to get without actually seeing it happen.

I learned to wood fire and that is where I get my Japanese wood fire jollies!

I think pattern and pure design is best seen in African and South American work. The pottery traditions there are extremely coherent and sophisticated as the medium, clay, was kept in play for a lot longer and much more in the forefront of artists' lives.
Having made a living making pottery for more than 30 years, I feel I have something to say here, although it remains a personal choice that I alone make.
I am a potter, a mug and bowl maker, I do not want to be considered an “artist”
Why?
Well, along with claiming to be an “artist” comes some heavy responsibility to art, its history and traditions.
I don’t wish to assume that responsibility.
I find it challenging enough to craft a fine handle on a mug, or throw, on the potter’s wheel, a well proportioned bowl.
It is easy to make bad art.
It is a challenge to fit a lid to a casserole.
Make art?
Naaaa. That is a heavy burden disrespected by too many who claim to be artists.
BTW. Simply drawing or painting on clay does not make the clay art. Anything can be a “canvass” for an image, even the sidewalk.
I see art and craft go hand in hand. One is the vision, the other is the talent to realize the vision into a form - whether that form is traditional or completely new. I do like your samples very much. Congratulations on your EP. ~R
I love it- wish I had a studio to try. I'd do women, roots and eggs :) my three favorite subjects. Tangles of roots with eggs in them. I'm in production mode. All this frustration is good for that at least.
(and yeah, congrats on the ep, EP!)
Drawing or painting on clay the way I do it makes it art. There is a lot of illustration, decal work, and simple decoration that I would not call art on clay. There always has been. I read that as a bit of a dig, but I am ok with that. It kind of illustrates the idea that I mentioned above about how potters tend to scorn artists and seem to want to tear artists down as if our existence or our working in clay diminishes the role of potters. The fact that I make art out of clay while you make mugs and bowls doesn't say anything about the value of you, your mugs, your bowls, or your life decisions. All that judgement comes from within you. I make/made production pottery for a living for a lot longer than I made art out of clay. I built my studio out of that money and taught it at the community college for people who never wanted to make anything except some simple mugs and bowls. (Your actual name would be a good sign that I should believe your stated history and respect your opinion, but that is an OS thing (the grey avatar with no real name is not a confidence inducing handle).)

I think roots, eggs and women have a lot in common!

Art and craft together either make fine craft or fine art and sometimes the same thing...
This is what production throwing looks like for me. I am pretty sure this is not art. But after they are painted with unique images, they are. And the firing and glaze layering and the image development inside a sandwich of glaze...all that is part of making these forms into art.

I vary the shapes slightly to make each piece unique. When I make casseroles and such, I make them fit tight. This is craftsmanship. About a half days throwing work. I turned about 300 pots that week for an upcoming show.

http://open.salon.com/blog/epriddy/2008/08/23/potz
I was thinking about this very idea the other evening in the midst of viewing a Netflix disc of a PBS program entitled, "Craft In America."
I saw art being made, when craft was featured. I think the two cross boundaries constantly. And what is an art, really? The art of listening is truly genius in its scope.
Fine art is a mystery. That's why we are thankful to have artists here on Earth.
Rated
it gets wrapped around the "what is art" thing. to me art is a record of one or more senses. so if a piece reminds me of a feeling, sound, smell, taste, emotion, etc. it's a work of art. and i swear pots made with love release that love 100x's over as they brighten a room or backyard
Most of my favorite art has a high degree of craft. It is the craft in art that I most enjoy. So I'd go with choosing whichever word suits the occasion or the piece. It is a special gift to marry art and functionality. The usable objects have a personal beauty that is more precious to the user than Art for the Ages. Of course such beautiful objects can end up in the wings in art museums--so who knows what may become art for the ages.

I like your logo and banner, too!

Go you.
For me, I have never had any question about potters making art. For me it just is a fine art. We are proud to collect pieces as we can. In the background of my latest post about pie are some green pots, all by the same potter, that I love.
I think the devil is in the terms. People speak of the art of medicine. Great craftsmen are spoken of as artisans. Flaky artists are spoken of as artsy. Sneaky people are crafty. Art and Craft are inextricably linked.
In my own mind I use clay to make art. Being an accomplished craftsman is only one thing that determines whether or not I am successful. Using the essentials of design, light, color and texture also play a role.
I have met potters who pride themselves in making dozens of functional pieces of pottery that are indistinguishable from one another. They are at one end of the craft - art continuum. At the other end are people who make beautiful things that are totally without function other than as something to delight.

The debate seems to exist within the pottery community as strongly as between painters and potters. My wife and I both work with clay and we have collected other people's pottery when we have been struck by a piece's beauty. The collection ranges from a, nearly, complete set of dinnerware (it has been used with joy) and pieces that can only be called sculpture.
BTW, I really like the pieces you showed. Rated for "art".
I got so wrapped up in answering your question that I forgot to say how beautiful your work is. Rated
Ceramics and pottery for enamels, porcelain, and clay become a collector's findings...
Yours are art --- beautiful!
this question plagues glassblowers too. many curators ignore, or perhaps resist glass because it is "craft" rather than art. uh, so? and who says?

of course, we think potters are just glassblowers who couldn't stand the heat. :)