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Grew up in Jackson Heights, New York, but now live in Jersey. Married and the proud owner (servant?) of 4 cats, including a little blind guy named Quincy. Jobs have included: English teacher in U.S. and abroad, cabaret performer and member of a NYC sketch comedy troupe; now a full-time legal secretary and freelance writer. Other jobs: canvasser for NYPIRG/cannery worker in Naknek, Alaska (a fisherman told me it was "the ugliest part of Alaska")/dog kennel cleaner/member of the swine and poultry crew on a California farm. This year a memoir piece will be published in Telling Our Stories Press and poems in The Awakenings Review. Currently working on a one-woman show. "Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better." Samuel Beckett

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JANUARY 18, 2012 1:33PM

No PJs in Public!

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"No wire hangers!”

            Mommie Dearest 

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Faye Dunaway in Mommie Dearest

The breaking story in Shreveport, Louisiana yesterday was fashion-related.  Caddo Parish District 3 Commissioner Michael Williams is gunning for an ordinance that would prohibit the donning of pajama pants in public.  He said an incident at a local Walmart that offended him and some elderly customers has propelled him into action.

KSEE24 News reported on January 17, 2012:

“I saw a group of young men wearing pajama pants and house shoes,” Williams said.  “At the part where there should have been underwear,” his privates were showing through the fabric.

He continues, “If you can’t (wear pajamas) at the boardwalk or courthouse, why are you going to do it in a restaurant or in public?  Today, it’s pajamas.  Tomorrow it’s underwear.  Where does it stop?”

Full-on nudity, I guess.  And I thought the boardwalk was a public place.  No?

It should be noted that Shreveport already has a ban on saggy pants as do cities in Georgia, Florida, Illinois and Michigan.  In Albany, Georgia, the fine for the first offense is $25 and for the second, $200.  Albany expected to rake in about $5,500 by the end of 2011 through enforcement of said ban.

Back to PJs.  Williams is facing some stiff opposition to his proposed ordinance, particularly on the part of Marjorie R. Esman, executive director of the Louisiana ACLU who sent him a letter last week stating that clothing is a form of expression protected by the Constitution.

“To ban the wearing of pajamas, like any other form of attire,” Esman wrote, “would violate a liberty interest guaranteed under the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution.”

But let’s take this issue to the people. 

Khiry Tisdem of Shreveport who wears Family Guy pajama pants in public had this to say:

“I wear my (pajama) pants anywhere.  I’m an American, and I can wear my clothes anywhere I want.  I’m a grown man.  I pay my own bills, so I can wear my clothes the way I want.  I don’t know why it’s an issue.”

Amen!  He’s an American and he’s a grown man and he pays his own bills, so he can do what he wants.  Another shining example of the Jerry-Springer-I-Can-Do-What-I-Want-Nation.  I love my country!

 

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well it's almost 11 a.m. and I'm sitting at my computer still in my pajama pants, t-shirt and robe. If I have to go out anywhere, I'll put on a pair of jeans.
PJs in public are tacky but they're not illegal. If we start banning any and all tacky attire the list will get very long, very fast. I see PJ pants on people in public all the time--although mostly on women. Hmmmm, speaking of women, what would this Commissioner Williams think of he saw a woman in a negligee at WalMart? Would he ogle and then try to ban it?
Anyone who has been to the "People of Walmart" website knows that some folks will wear much worse clothes than that out in public. All you can do is turn away before your eyeballs get burned.
Considering all the problems we have in America today, this is definitely a priority.
sadly I'll admit i've worn mine to go get gas etc...I love my jammie pants.
I've had many conversations with people about public-pajama-wearers. It does seem like many Americans have just given up on life completely. You know you're there when you can't pull on a pair of jeans to go to the store. But an ordinance? Silly.
I've worn my PJs in public on several occasions and not once did I hear or see any fussing about my attire. 'course my teats and buttocks were fully covered, so I guess there is some discretion to what others might find objectionable. Insofar as those with words ascribed their business doors, "No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service" they're usually places I wouldn't bother doing business with even if I were wearing a hazmat suit. ;) Are you kidding me? Me and my kiddos wear our swimsuits en route the lake and when I pump gas and the passersby gauk or honk their horns, it never occurred to us that we were breaking any laws.

Common sense, people. I dress to impress when and where it's deemed necessary that I fit in with the crowd. But Wal-Mart? Who really gives a flying flag what other shoppers are wearing.
Great story. Reminds me of some of the things the chairmen of some medical school departments would say (when I was the spokesperson for the U of Minnesota medical center). They would admonish their residents to stop going about in public, outside, in their scrubs. They said "one should not be seen in one's pajamas when not in the hospital."
Hilarious. Does anyone have any class any more? No.
I do the same thing, Walter. Sometimes I spend a whole day in PJs. I think the commissioner might make an exception for women in negligees!

Frank, no, I haven't seen it, but I will check it out.

Jane, Not sure about the pee pee opening. Mine don't have those, but I assume the men's do. Ha ha. I know, come on, put on a pair of shoes. Slippers outside?

John, top priority, that's why I had to report on it.

Michelle, I know, my husband does that too. I haven't yet.

Maureen, It is kind of a sad reflection on what we think of ourselves, I think. I remember when my mom would put on a dress, pantyhose, heels and makeup just to go to the corner store. The ordinance is absurd, I agree.

Belinda, common sense is right.

Mary, how absurd. Scrubs are not PJs. Thanks for reading.
Elizabeth, I don't think so.
When someone asks me why I'm wearing amber-colored sunglasses my response is that everything and everybody looks better when they're not fully exposed. ;)

Wal-Mart has some peculiar people...it wouldn't surprise me if someone went through a line wearing practically next-to-nothing. Then again, some old frumpy woman sat down at the library the other day and when I glanced over at her for a fleet sec I noticed her g-string was riding up her bulging backside.
Okay, but it depends on the particular set of pajamas. It seems to me that some PJs are just comfortable clothes. Not speaking personally of course, but I've "observed" women who will occasionally wear PJs for a quick errand, like maybe dropping your kid off at school when they've missed the bus. I mean, as long as everything is covered properly, right?
I'm with you there. I have seen far too many ass cracks in public, blows my mind and still a gross-out.
Babe, yes, covering the privates is of paramount, I think. I have comfy pants too that might be mistaken for PJs.
Everyone know that jammies are just a gateway apparel. Next thing you know they'll be wearing plaid bermuda shorts with unmatching shirts. *shudder*
God bless the USA!!! Woooo!! I'm nekkid and I'm in a Walmart, and nobody cares!! WOOOO!! :D
My standards have slipped a bit since I've moved to the yoga and fleece wear capital of the world -- Lululemon started in Vancouver for a reason -- but the day I go out in public in my PJs or a bathing suit and consider myself dressed is when I politely ask someone to just shoot me.
Meh. Some people are just uncomfortable in their bathing suits and no amount of clothing would make them feel good about themselves. Being comfortable in your own skin comes with the risk of others' envying your freedoms.

Pasties and g-strings for you, Tink. ;)
Haha, this is a funny piece! It is weird how public pjs are getting so popular. I think it's kinda weird, but actually when you think about it, they look like pjs without the crazy prints. Maybe there should just be a ban on wearing pjs in public "commando"!
I am very particular how I show my private parts and, if I chose to show them in public, I think I would chose attire a bit more formal and appropriate than pajamas - perhaps a short cocktail dress
You can't legislate fashion. There are too many ways to get around it and our courts are already clogged with trivial cases. An easier way to push society past this moronic "fashion" fad is to bribe whichever celebrity-of-the-moment dictates what is cool and what is not to inform the millions of sheep who imitate him or her that pjs and saggy pants are no longer cool. The change will be virtually instantaneous. I can hardly wait for a return to the nerd styles of the '50s - tight, high-water pants for males and pedal pushers for the apples of their eye.
Could be a question of public decency? Depends on the person or the pj's.
American's just love challenging their Amendments, because they think may have solved every other issue in their country?
Or, perhaps an even faster way to end the fad would be for oldsters everywhere - we'd hafta plan it on Facebook, I guess - to start wearing pjs to Wal-Mart. Once people over 30 start doing it, the kids will abandon the "statement of their individuality" without further discussion.
Barbara, banish the thought! They might look like Steve Martin and Dan Ackroyd as the "wild and crazy guys". Do you remember that sketch?

Emma, I admit to putting the garbage in front of the house at 7 a.m. in pjs, but that's as far as I'll go in them.

Tink, if you were naked anywhere in my beautiful NYC, no one would care! You made me laugh out loud.

Joanne, yes, sounds good to me.

the traveler, that's right. If you're going to flaunt it, do it in style!

Chicken Maaan, what a brilliant idea. You are the man, I mean, Chicken Maaan!

Sheila, yes, but what are the standards for "decency"?

Fusun, yes, we are so evolved here in the US of A.

Chicken Maaan, that is a stroke of genius!
The same people who are averse to bad language will be averse to nudity in all forms. It is the same attitude we inherited from the medieval feudal system. Any laws against free speech or freedom of expression are unconstitutional. Hell, it is 2012 and we still have an censorship agency called the FCC. Yet, you must remember that we have many tribal, right wing, anal religious fundamentalists; sometimes they call them Puritans. Excellent post. R
Yesterday at the grocery I saw about a twenty-year-old riding one of those bikes with what we used to call a "banana seat." He was popping wheelies all around and he had on pj bottoms that revealed about half his butt crack. I'll bet his parents are proud. He's an American, DAMMIT.
Is this an objection to nudity or simply a fashion police action? I was at a restaurant and noticed a young woman's eyes cocked to the side in an awkward manner. Following her gaze I was rewarded with the worst case of plumber's crack I've ever seen. She saw that I saw and we both laughed. He didn't have on pajamas, but he was 'exposed'. Personally, I'm uncomfortable taking out the trash in my pajamas. Not out of fear of being exposed. Just the way I was raised.
PJ's in public tell the world, "I've given up." ~r
I'm wearing my PJ's now blogging Erica...
Is this now illegal??
I read this earlier and laughed....
What a fun post. I shop at Walmart and wear jammies - but not at the same time (at least yet). I have seen elderly folk wearing PJs at the drug store and I thought, Oh, they've given up, won't even throw on a sweat suit. P.S. Love the Beckett quote in your bio.
Haha I'm totally guilty of doing this. The issue becomes especially complex when your pajamas resemble (or are, in fact) sweatpants or a mumu dress.
The original complaint was that "privates" were visible against the fabric. This is a legitimate claim. I don't mind PJs necessarily; I wear mine to get the paper every weekend, and often don't come out of them for days. (And no, I don't take a shower some weekends. Deal with it.) But I really don't want to see someone's either flaccid or otherwise "member" (as they say) in the grocery store, thank you very much. We are a schizo society: I can flash my ass and have my privates pressing through my thin pj's whenever I want because "I'm a grown man," but DON'T TOUCH MY JUNK. What a planet.
Very interesting subject, Erica. This is particulary funny to me because for the first time in my life I saw a young guy a few weeks ago loading groceries into his car in a Walmart parking lot and he was wearing a fleece pajama set. It just seemed so strange to me...was he depressed or what? But I firmly believe we have a right to wear pj's anywhere...go ACLU!
I've worn my fleece pj pants! Last year it was so cold I wore them to tennis and we play indoors!
When I saw the title I thought this would be some nightmare sleepwalking story Erica. What some folks get fussed about! I mean, it isn't the PJs, it's the lack of underwear and resulting self-exposure that's the problem. Sheesh.
This is so irritating. I wear my lace teddy in public and no one even looks twice. I guess the only way to get noticed is by wearing Family Guy pajama pants.
I wonder if the public pajama wearers just rolled out of bed. They look ill-groomed as well having barely brushed their hair and probably having not cleaned their teeth. Ick. Get dressed!
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Guess who wins once again? You guessed it. Lawyers. I bet the allegations in the pleadings will include discrimination.

While we can't legislate or enforce some bans or censorships ongoing in America, there will be lawsuits filed by claimants' attorneys [ACLU, etc.] alleging their constitutional/civil rights have been violated.

Affirmative defenses will be filed by opposing counsel counterclaiming the health of the public was jeopardized because the man's exposed penis could, directly or indirectly, come into contact with the public.
I have nightmares about being out in public in pajamas and slippers. I guess I'm pretty uptight.

Of course, the definition of "pajamas" is a little more flexible these days, but I would certainly include pants that don't zip and/or button.

How do you feel about Pajama Jeans?
Right you are, Thoth! It is a freedom of expression issue.

Bernadine, I don't get it. Don't their parents care that they are exposing themselves?

Rodney, I admit to taking out the trash in pjs, but that's as far as I'll go. I wasn't raised that way either.

Joan, Yes ma'am.

Mission, I think it should be illegal. In fact, I'm having someone sent to your home right now! Just kidding.

Barbara, Really, I have never seen elderly folks in pjs, only in sweatpants and tops which is okay with me. Thanks, I like it too.

Jacqueline, I guess it's all a matter of common sense as Belinda said earlier. I think standards of dress (like most other things) have deteriorated to a ridiculously low level.

Good Daughter, Yes, we are nation of self-centered, entitled people.

Margie, I hear you on that, but if the clothing is exposing your private parts I would have to say no.

Susie, Yay!

Abra, How funny! I've never slept-walked in my life. Have you? I find it ridiculous that we are at the level where a politician has to curb people's attire because it is so deplorable. What a waste of time when so many more important issues are falling by the wayside.

Margaret, I know, same thing happened to me. Maybe we were wearing the wrong color teddy?

Miguela, It's a sad statement on our society. The fall of the empire.

Algis, you're welcome, my friend. Trying to lighten things up.

Belinda, Absolutely. I work at a law firm, but so far have not dealt with such offenses.

Jeanette, I never heard of pajama jeans? What do they look like or is this something you are thinking of marketing yourself?
Haha, Erica, I remember Wild and Crazy Guys! Now there are some outfits to die for!
Erica, click on the words "Pajama Jeans" in my comment, and you'll be taken to the YouTube infomercial!
Joanne, I loved that sketch as a kid!

Jeanette, I will, thanks.
Jeanette, I'm getting on the horn right now to order my first pair! Ha ha.
HAAA - this is hilarious. What ever happened to just being annoyed w/ people and blowing them off? Do we have to legislate everything?
Hence and Voila! The newest "As Seen On TV" phenomenon - drum roll please:

PAJAMA JEANS
Oops! Commented, then read. Jeanette beat me to it. Perhaps the Pajama Jeans people are doing a social service with their invention!
oh did this make me smile! r.
Heidi, I know, gone are those days.

Linnn and Jon, thanks for stopping by.