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I've lived a good life studying people and gathering wool. My apologies to the Spanish speakers among us. My screen name might have better been "escrito para nada". Anyway you say it I'm not getting paid for writing.

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MAY 10, 2012 2:05PM

Reflection on Changes in Attitude about Same Sex Marriage.

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It was 1997 or perhaps ’98.  I was in Chicago for 10 days of intensive medical education review course.  There were hours of lecture during the day and then hours of “free time” to spend at the microscope looking at material from abnormal cytology demonstrating all sorts of pathological changes.  It was all very long and tiring.

My assigned microscope was next to a young man from the Northeast.  Our conversation at first consisted of talking about the material.  As the week progressed we found that we both played guitar.  Then we found that we were both big city blues fans.  And then he told me of plans to go to Buddy Guy’s club, and asked if I wanted to go along.

Our families came up.  I had been married for about 30 years then.  The kids were grown and we had young grandkids.  He had kids and was divorced.  Recently divorced as it turned out.

We caught a cab to Buddy Guy’s and got there early.  The waitress brought us both a beer. My buddy was intrigued. There were a couple of 30-somethings playing pool in the back room.  My blues buddy was intrigued.  The house band was great.  There was more talent on the stage than I’ve seen in a long time.  An olive skinned guy with a ponytail came up and played harmonica.  He was superb.  We were really getting into the music.

The waitress came back to see if we wanted to reorder.  My friend made a very clumsy attempt at flirting.  The waitress very adroitly side stepped the flirt and left the young doctor sheepish.  “I haven’t done this for a while, I guess.” 

During the second beer my friend opened up.  He met his wife in school.  They were both medical students at the time and decided to get married.  They finished, did their residencies and she had a couple of kids along the way.  And then one day she told him that she didn’t love him.  She had never loved him.  She was lesbian and had a relationship with her lover before she and my friend met in school.  The marriage was one of convenience.

Devastated was what he was.  Still.  “I can’t believe she never loved me.”  “I can’t believe she was acting the whole time.”  He recalled trying to find a way to hold the marriage together.  “What do you say?  ‘Honey I’ll try to do better?’ “

He was such a nice guy and I wondered who asked for the first date.  Who proposed?  He needed a course in teaching confidence as opposed to bravado.

Buddy Guy dropped by and demonstrated how the BEST play.  There was no thought.  The music just flowed straight to the tips of his fingers from somewhere in his musical soul.

One of the “thirty-somethings” in the back came out and proceeded to dance with the star as he played.  He never missed a lick and the two demonstrated what confidence looks like.

I had a great time.  It was one of those musical experiences that stays with you.  We had to be in lecture early so we didn’t close the place down. 

We talked more as the week went on, about his work, his partners at work, his kids and what he planned to do as he got his personal life sorted out.  We talked about staying in touch, but we didn’t.

My take away from all of this was:

  Buddy Guy’s is a topnotch club, and he is a hell of a  musician.

 

  Chicago is a great city to visit.

  It’s too bad that gays and lesbians have to construct elaborate double lives that require them to lie and hurt other people.

   

I’m happy that the president and vice-president have come out in support of open, committed, loving relationships, including those between those of the same sex.  And that the president has revealed his own “evolution” in his thought about this whole topic.

There will be many who are critical of the president, and they will have many reasons for being critical.

The important thing, as I see it, is that there is a continuing dialogue; a dialogue that is in the open, unfettered by political correctness.  And, I’m encouraged that the majority of Americans have begun to understand that another person’s sexual preference doesn’t affect them.

As a commentator put it a couple of days ago, “Being gay is natural.  Hating gays is a lifestyle choice.”

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Obama was a long time coming to his evolved consensus... I've always subscribed to the notion that the government at every level should get out of the business of marriage... by extracting that word and replacing it with "civil or spousal partnership or union" everybody can enjoy equal rights under the law, while if they choose to sanctify their union or partnership with a "marriage" ceremony they can do that in the church, synagogue, temple or mosque of their choice with whatever discrimination is proscribed by that faith. I'm an ordained minister of the Universal Life Church and I'll be happy to perform a marriage ceremony for anyone. It's part of our doctrine.
I had to sit through a long barrage of crapola from my room mate last night on the horrors that Obama's decision was going top bring.
I kept my mouth shut. I don't argue with stupid.
No one has the right to deny human rights to anyone else.
and that last sentence you wrote speaks to me. TY.
I just hate hypocrisy -- unles I'm guilty, then I just want it to hide in the corner and sulk after a good talking to.

Hypocrisy at the social and governmental level is really what the Revolt of 1776 is all about, when you get right down to it. The pretense that you have representation, that you have rights and that all those could simply be taken away by someone with more titular power than you in that moment, because they seem to have more sway, politically, socially and legally than you.

This is called, in simplest terms, the power of tyranny. In today's fight for Civil Equality it has become the tyranny of the many over the few. A large bloc of voters are being fear-mongered and morality-baited into effectively casting out a portion of the citizenry -- Because they CAN and for no other bonafide answer.

This is how it starts -- well usually. IN other cases, the path to our reduction of liberties and rights begins with invasion of privacy and the enactment of legislation that seeks to curb our rights -- oh shit, that's already happened too! The Patriot Act essentially does the same thing from another angle by authorizing higher Presidential Power (and before you REPUBLICANS start bashing Obama for that, remember that "Dubya" and Co. are the engineers of the machinery that let's Obama literally get away with murder of foreigners without civil recourse or due process.

The invasion of our privacy really took a speed up when, included in the Patriot Act the provisions for more warrantless wiretapping, including American Citizens on American soil as long as the secret information (or lack, we don't know, it's "secret" so they don't have to show us a damn thing as proof) is scary enough to justify their illegal practices. While I am sure Obama uses it, too, the "Decider" and his team of Roving Republicans whispered that into effect.

So yeah, all those things are important to combat as people who love liberty and recognize, as did Benjamin Franklin that, "Those who would trade necessary liberties for a temporary sense of security, deserve neither liberty nor security."

Equality of Civil and Social Rights, though, trumps even those cards, scary as they are. Without social equality in the eyes of the law, the laws of the land and the right to be who and what you are (within the confines of "Your Right to Do As You Please Ends Somewhere Between Your Hand and My Nose") without having to hide, suffer a complete lack of benefits the majority simply take for granted and to constantly sneak, dissemble and carry a false mask of a persona because others don't like that you have a different set of sexual wiring.

I am not gay, but I am happy that (FINALLY) the highest Officeholder in the Nation had the good sense to do what's right, regardless of the additional political wrangling, investment and risk associated with doing so -- for good or ill to his career.

A President should provide vision and direction not just for government, but for the Will and Conscience of the People as well. In my opinion, anything less is failing to uphold the Oath of Office to "...support and defend the Constitution from all threats, foreign or domestic." I feel that any law, social contract or legislation that serves to deny any citizen "equal protections under the law" is a violation of that oath. As such, it's about damn time the President stood firm and provided a sane voice in support of everyone having the same rights. It's kind of almost like reading the Declaration of Independance, you know, that part about:

We hold these truths to be self-evident:

That all Men are created Equal,

That they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights,

That among these are the rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.

It really doesn't get much simpler or clearer than that, does it?

--r--
Ha is all i can say.
His views "evolved". When i first heard this, i thought,
Obama is truly sticking it to them, using that word "evolve".
Evolution AND gay marriage, you silly twits.
Is he consciously trying to enrage the
so called "conservative churches"
(conserving the values of the 13th century..and those are the good ones...)

?

I like the quote very much.Exceptional wordplay.
Dialogue is very much to be applauded.
Except...you put it quite well...what is the point of nattering on
about something that does not in any damn way affect you,
someone else's sexuality?
uh, to be clear..those are the good churches, preserving the values
of the 13th century, like Aquinas , etcc..

the sillyhead churches ?
hardly even as civilized as the Roman Empire...
where at least they accepted , sort of, a spectrum of religious beliefs.

No gay marriage in the Roman Empire, tho..
The Greeks? Yikes.
While I think his actions may be more than a bit suspicious, the results, at least for those who desperately need it, are still the same; the simple, easy to say words that support love, life and humanity will resonate throughout the political scene and will have a positive impact for us all.

I hope his words are genuine, as much for those he is now explicitly supporting as for him.
Very nice post, BTW
Anti-gay-marriage conservatives like to say they believe the deodorization of the American traditional family is the reason for all our social problems. For them to continue to say that is utter hypocrisy. The reason for most of our social problems is greed, selfishness and unfair judgment on the parts of people who would do better to just follow their own paths and leave the rest of us to our own.

Lezlie
[r] another excellent, interestingly slanted anecdotal piece. thank you. re obama i have lost trust in whatever he asserts. happy for those who are deservedly celebratory about this but keep in mind, it is Obama who always wants things both ways and political opportunism is his prime motivator. best, libby
JMac1949 - you bring up another topic; the value of marriage and what defines the act and the status. There are many legal rights that are denied unmarried couples, like being involved in decisions about end of life care, inheriting the estate of a partner, and even having custody of children after death. Being married in a church isn't required for those things, just recognition by the state. Religious marriage ceremonies are loaded with a lot of requirements like "haveing all of the children that God gives you."

Mission it is hard to hold your tongue when being harangued by Stupid. You are to be commended. :)

duniteowl - as you point out this is about a policy that limits the rights of individuals. The passing of Amendment 1 in N.C. tuesday was a dark day for the state. I think that eventually this will be reversed in the same way that laws prohibiting interracial marriage were reversed. There just has to be enough awareness and a critical mass of those opposing the limitation of rights to empower the courts and legislaturese to act appropriately.

Several of you expressed doubt about Obama's sincerity. My own opinion - for all that that is worth - is that the Prez is cautious and holds his political capital close to his chest. Consequently, he has not acted in the fully progressive way that many of us have wanted. I think he was somewhat idealistic in thinking that he could fix the current broken way that congress doesn't work. As a result he gave up too much trying to achieve compromise. I hope he never has to bargain for a car.
Getting kinda fed up with the subject. Old hat, by me. I've known gay people for decades and gay marriage is a fact of life here in Canada. (Yawn.) But (slaver) seeing Buddy Guy in person, now that catches my attention. Been in Chicago briefly a couple of times, and saw the BG club from the outside, but no chance to go. (Tho one night we got to some little hole-in-the-wall blues club where some no-name guys blew us away...) Anyway, glad you guys down there are coming along...
Thank you for the post. Well written and quite inspiring for me to remember my own evolution.
@myriad: I am not Canadian, but I, too, have known and been friends with lost of gays and lesbians @ least the last 30 years. Although I, too, have become bored with the conversation, I do remember that my first exposure when I was in my early twenties - I am now in my late 60's - left me cautiously curious. Through the years that followed I was fortunate to become know many couples and singles who shared their journey with me. My opinion was one that evolved - I doubt seriously that in 1964 when I went to my first gay bar in Little Rock - The Brown Jug - I'd have said I was in favor of gay marriage. However, I was never afraid of or frightened by anyone else's life style and never thought that they and their behavior said anything about me or who I was or was not. I certainly never confused one life path or another with mine.

I am glad that the Prez and the Vprez have completed their evolution and feel comfortable with gay marriage. This is an issue that it will look better in a few years to have been, now, on the side of freedom for all to pick their spouse.
"It’s too bad that gays and lesbians have to construct elaborate double lives that require them to lie and hurt other people."

Very well said, escrito. Life could and should be so much simpler and people happier if this weren't so. That commentator's words are right on the mark. Thank you for sharing this experience.
My motto is: "Live and let live".

R♥
Myriad and FusunA, we are still evolving down here. Some of us even have opposable thumbs now. It is interesting how the people of our two countries have taken such different directions on many issues.
Anne, I remember the Brown Jug. Little Rock is exceptional in so many ways. I have great memories from there.
I live in one of the most conservative places in the country now and have conservative friends who have introduced us to gay couples who are now friends. The times they are achangin'.
It took me a while to find your new blog. Having been through a devastating divorce, I really feel for this guy. I hope he finds happiness.
Kathy, I'm glad you ferreted me out. Divorce is never a happy affair, but some are truly awful. I don't know of a normal resolution for an abusive, alcoholic, sociopaths, but, yeah, I hope he finds happiness doing something that doesn't involve using other people.
This is so good - and another true story about the pain that has been caused by the persecution of gay people. One thing you wrote:
"It’s too bad that gays and lesbians have to construct elaborate double lives that require them to lie and hurt other people."
I have to comment on: I know two people who married as if straight, lied to their spouses, and hid their sexuality for many years. The wife of one nearly committed suicide as a result of the pain of having been lied to and manipulated for nearly 15 years. I don't believe that anyone is forced to marry and create a relationship built on lies. Being subjected to bigotry is not a free pass to marry in deception...
Still rated. For telling the truth.
I'm all for gay marriage and I don't spend time questioning Obama's motivations. He came out and said what he did and he deserves credit for it, in my opinion. I liked your story as well and I LOVE Buddy Guy.