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JUNE 17, 2010 1:10PM

One Dead Gay Guy

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            I was a teenager when Dave Marston[i] killed himself in 1965. 

            He had been married his entire adult life; he and his wife had two teenagers.  He was a court reporter, had a coveted job in State court, made good money, was well-liked and respected by his judge and his colleagues.  But there were rumors that he was gay.

            A couple of tough-guy bailiffs devised a strategy to find out if it was true and, if so, to expose him.  One of them, over a period of weeks, pretended to be interested in a sexual relationship with Dave.  Dave responded, claimed the bailiff when he reported Dave as a "deviant" to the court administration.  Dave was fired and, in less than a week, everyone in the legal community knew the details of what had happened.  His wife divorced him.  He was not allowed to have any contact with his children.

            A court reporter who owned a deposition agency took Dave on as a freelancer and would send him to report civil depositions, mostly small-time cases.  Dave was an excellent reporter, conscientious and careful, polite and punctual.  Many lawyers were happy to have him assigned to their depositions, but some didn’t want to be in the same room with him and told Dave’s boss never to send "the queer" to their offices.  Dave barely made enough money to pay for the court-ordered child support, alimony and the rent on his modest one-bedroom furnished apartment.  He worked there for two years.

            One Monday morning Dave’s boss got a call from an irate client.  Dave was scheduled to have been at his office at 9:00 AM for a deposition and hadn’t shown up by 9:45.  Dave’s boss sent another reporter to the deposition, then called a friend.

            Dave’s boss and his friend went to Dave’s apartment and had the landlord let them in.  They found Dave’s dead body in his bed, covers pulled up over his shoulders, an empty prescription bottle and half a quart of vodka on the nightstand, along with a note.

            You might think the bailiffs would be sorry they had hounded a man to his death, but it was said one of them told folks around the courthouse he was happy to have "rid decent people of one of those fags.”

#    #    #

            In 2007 my three-year-old granddaughter was enrolled in a preschool class in San Francisco that had two teachers, one of whom is a lesbian.  This woman and her partner have two children; their daughter was a student at the school, though not in her mother’s classroom.  That same year, one of my granddaughter’s classmates was a boy whose parents are gay men.

My granddaughter would refer to Justin’s dads and Emily’s moms in the same tone of voice she used when describing what the kids had done that day at playtime in the courtyard.  She and her classmates thought it far more mysterious that some kids have curly hair and some have straight.  It wouldn’t have ever occurred to her that there was anything at all unusual about Justin’s or Emily’s families.

            Because there isn’t.

#    #    #

            I was born in 1950 at the end of the baby boom.  I turned 60 last month which (she protests) isn’t old, though I would have believed at 30 that it is.   If you’re young, you might struggle with this idea, but 1965 wasn’t that long ago.  The men of my generation fought the Vietnam War.  Schools were segregated, by neighborhood if not by law, in Southern California when I was a child and a teenager.

     Dave Marston was the first gay person I had ever heard of, and I learned about him only because my mother was his typist and Dave's boss came to our house to tell us how he had died.  The subject was simply never discussed in the white bread, middle class world I lived in.  Gays and lesbians weren’t just discriminated against and mistreated and humiliated, like people of racial minorities were; they had to be invisible, they had to hide.

            The society my granddaughter knows isn’t one where homosexuals have the same civil rights as every other human being (though it should be and will be someday, I hope), but it’s far better – for all its citizens – than the one Dave Marston died because of.  

 



[i] Not his real name.

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Well written, sad story. I hope you are correct in the future of your granddaughter; for the sake of everyone.
R~
I was born in the early 50's and never knew a gay person until I went into the army. He was a great guy, who kept to himself. I learned from him that being gay was no big deal. I have tried to pass it on to my own children. I hope I have succeeded!
joy, thanks. i hope i am, too.

scanner, that's who kids learn best from, so i'm positive they got the message.

ame i: i'm glad, too. very. brava to you.
You and I are of the same generation and curiously, it was the Vietnam war that taught me my greatest lesson about gays. One of my closest friends over there was the bravest, hardest fighting, Marine I ever knew.....he was also gay, a fact that he hid from everyone but his best friends. He saved my life once and I saved his and, just like all the straight Marines, he bled and in the end he died....just like all the rest. There was no difference in any of us....that was my great lesson that I have held onto to this day.
I saw a claim that it is easier for a gay person to be elected to public office than a Muslim, Jew, or atheist. We have come so far, but still have plenty of ground to cover.
a sad story, but you are right that things are better now for us than they were then. our kids have gone to a christian school and we've had to hide our relationship for fear the kids would get kicked out. next year, they're going to public schools. thanks for sharing this.
What a story. Some day it will be better and Gays and Lesbians will be equal with everyone else. Unfortunately, society find another group against which to discriminate. It is a sad and recurrent theme. Thanks for writing this. R
thanks, RJ, for reading and commenting -- and especially for agreeing with me that 1965 isn't that far in the past! ;;

torman: you and i (and lots of others) know that it's the personal experiences that really bring these things home. thank you for telling that part of your story - and your friend's - in your comment so other people can know it. you're a gem.

gigabiting: i always cringe when i hear those comparisons about which group is being treated more hatefully, don't you? you're right: lots of ground to cover.
Excellent post.
I'm pleased several of us have posted today on similar themes. We shouldn't stop till we win.
Rated.
What an amazing post. The dichotomy between 1965 and now is simply vivid. Thank you so much.
The title is brilliant in its simplicity. And being of an age, I routinely have to remind myself just how dark it was back in the "good old days" certain segments of our society seem so determined to revisit.
This is so well written and very moving. The world really has changed so much - it has a ways to go, but we ARE getting there.
Well done and profoundly moving.
lemonpulp: doesn't that just say it all, that we have to lie to children so they're not punished for their parents being gay? ::gah:: thanks for coming over.

dave r: it is sad. all the more reason to keep trying. thanks, man.

jon: thanks. i read and rated yours but didn't have time to comment. will get there.

amy: you're welcome, sweetie. it's a great project.

nikki: thank you (about the title). i like it, too. and those segments -- grrrrr. looking back isn't always (or even usually) so golden, is it?

blue: you're right, we are. thanks!

bobbot: thank you veru much. i'm so glad you came by.
Right on the money. The last paragraph summed it up.
We are the same age - so, of course it's not old. Wonderful, sad story. We are at least headed in the right direction.
It was wonderful to read that your grand daughter is living in a kinder world than we grew up in.
Thank you for writing this. I feel the same way about things when i write about things that I faced as a kid in the 1960s and 1970s--just for being a girl. Young women in my classes don't believe that it wasn't that long ago, but I've come to realize more and more that my lifetime is their history.
Your story made me sick to my stomach. I could feel what was coming, and it just made me so frickin' mad. Why can't people let people be? I know it's such a child's question, but it's true. Whose business is it who I love?
When she was 4, I had to explain to my youngest daughter that we were having a party because Elisabeth and Nan had just gotten married. Worried because there was a puzzled look on her face I said,
"C, you know that girls can marry girls, right?"
She nodded her head.
"And boys can marry boys"
Again, the huge nod indicating that she totally got what I was saying.
"And you know what else, Mommy?" she said.
"What?" I said.
"Girls can marry boys, too!"
I figured if a four-year old can figure it all out, why can't everyone else?
Thanks for this story! I am so glad that most kids today do not think it is a big deal being gay. Now if we could just get the so-called religious gay-bashers to shut up! R
thanks, cranky. you're right, it does. and it's so simple, really, isn't it?

trilogy: it was and is terribly sad. and pointless and useless and ... well, you already get it, i know. thank you.

geezerchick: she is, for which i am so thankful. i hope she never personally knows a story like this.

flw: i know what you mean about the four-year-olds. why does it have to be any more complicated than that?? and the anger -- i tried to play it down, and the sadness, in the piece, but sometimes i want to tell a person this story, take hold of both their shoulders, look into their face and say, "do you get it that this man died? that he's gone from this world? for just being who he was?
well-writ, and apropos. Thanks for sharing this. Narrow-minded people will Never evolve, but maybe someday they'll have to be the ones living in shame, in hiding.
What a sad sad story. And, yes, we've come a long ways but always, I am reminded of how much further we have to go. Only months ago, a friend of mine was attacked as he walked with friends--attacked with vicious words and with fists. And I supposedly live in a gay-friendly city. I even hate that we call places 'gay-friendly'. ::getting off soap box::
Thanks for this, femme.
libmomrn: don't even get me started on the so-called religious! thanks for stopping by and liking this.

thanks, conniemack. now, them in hiding, that would be comeuppance, wouldn't it? i think we ought to give them their own country, where they can all go live together and agree about how awful the rest of us are.

psyche: thanks, friend. i know, the 'friendly' tag can chafe a little, can't it? and it surely doesn't mean there aren't ignorant asshats around. grrrrrr.
you have a gift for making the reader think... your granddaughter has your wisdom.
Things were getting better for a while, and there are millions of people like your granddaughter. In a lot of ways though we're going backwards; it worries me.
this hits close to home for me in many ways, with one of the hardest being my own father and his resemblence to the bailiff's. i know we're making progress, but it's pertinent to remember the struggle is still very real and we've a lot of work to do. as always, you cover a very tender, current issue that needs more attention and thought than we give it. rated.
A sad story and well-written. Things are changing but it takes a lifetime oftentimes.
It takes a long time to change behavior and attitudes taught over generations. I'm in California now, but lived in the Midwest a few years ago and we still had so many cases of gay men, closeted and married, who would have to reach out in the darkness of a park restroom or other such place, be discovered and be destroyed.

Shame-filled is a horrible way to live. How different Dave's life might have been had he lived in a world where he could live an open, honest life without petty and fear-mongering hatred.
As a gay man, I really appreciate that you wrote this.
Thank you!
Your granddaughter must be very proud of you
Femme, You tell such an important story here. And tell it in a matter-of-fact fashion. Leaving us to see the cruelty and irrevocable damage done And the btw, have I told you how much I love this new editor? She spotted your excellent work here two days in a row.
Thank you for remembering one who might not have been remembered, otherwise. Thank you for being your awesome self, and continuing to see people as people. Together, we make a collective difference, I think.
It's important to remember, as you said, 1965 was not that long ago really. I remember a number of men in our small (600) town who had certain affectations that folks would respond to, but , for the most part, everyone accepted everyone else, mainly because we all worked so darn hard. My dad would explain the difference in these individuals, not with any disdain, but with honest curiosity.

I wonder how many similar stories to yours has been played out since the 1960's to the present. We probably know of so few.

This is a kindly post, and one that shows us the importance of equality and understanding.
BTW, I agree with Owl, you are awsome!! And I have to say, Owl, you are awsome too!
Are we finally growing up?
Great piece.
Very poignant Femme...I wanted to reach out and hold Dave with all the love he deserved. It is a blessing we have bridged some ground...I hope it just continues to grow further and further.

Rated for beauty!
I wish Dave could have hung on a wee bit longer. So sad. I love that it is now a non issue to kids. About time.

While my mother was a difficult woman in so many ways, I am grateful that she was a sixties fag hag. Her BFF, an interior decorator, was at our house all the time. My mother would feed him like a king. We never ate that way when it was just us. One time I got sent to my room for helping myself to a tray of finger sandwiches she'd made for him. They'd go antiquing and to art openings and all sorts of stuff my dad did not want to do. There's a picture of C on mom's dresser to this day.
Thanks for sharing this story and reminding us that it wasn't that long ago that things were so terrible if you weren't straight. They still aren't as good as they should be -- and are outright dangerous depending on where you live -- but thank god we've made the progress we have.

This is a fitting post as the Prop 8 trial winds up here in Calif. The fact that the Prop 8 supporters couldn't put on even the semblance of a decent argument for their side speaks volumes about how morally bankrupt and illogical their position is. I hope that we can look back soon and wonder that in our lifetime there weren't always equal rights for gays.
This is a sad story. I am glad we have, as a culture, made some progress. We still have some bumps in the road ahead of us; I have personally been harassed, and my gay brother has been beaten and left on the street. But things are definitely much better, and I loved reading what you wrote about the kids. Wonderful. Little by little.
Thank you for bringing this alive to me. I have lesbian friends in their late 70s, a well-educated couple. Now I understand their "discretion", understand the necessity it was born out of and the force that forged a habit for survival. I'm so glad that we've come so far in just a few decades, at least some of us have. And so sorry these were very long and painful years for some, even sadder they remain so for some.
thank-you. I sat in yesterday to listen to the Perry v. Schwarzenegger trial in san francisco with a high school student...and I loved seeing him rolling his eyes at the arguments against gay marriage.

bigotry and discrimination makes no sense to the younger generation (for the most part). thank God for that. Such a sad story, but thank-you for posting it.
Your usual top-tier job on a sad chapter in our history. Thanks, Candace.
As I read your story of Dave, all I could think of was, Dave was crucified. Impassioned writing. R
"Be kinder than necessary, for everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle."
If we all remembered that we are simply human...
One dead gay guy for being who he is is too many. Very touchingly told. ~R
Yup, me too born 1950, and the good old days weren't, for the reasons you mention. I am sorry for Dave, and for his family. Don't forget that there were also incidents of forced psychiatric treatment for gays.
Dave's story is tragic. Thank goodness things are changing - my daughter is growing up in a different world. Your post is a wonderful juxtaposition of attitudes, well written.
I know things aren't entirely perfect now, but I'm glad that my children were raised in an era where being gay wasn't so unusual -- they had gay friends and same-sex parents were no big deal. I look forward to the next generation and the next. Pretty soon it will be no big deal to everyone. (Which is what has so many Fundies crazed with hatred; if they don't spawn hatred now...they will have lost their opportunities.)
As a Baby Boomer, I fully relate to what you are saying. I didn't know any gay people until I went to college. In my small town, people were called Fags or Queers or other awful names. Whether they were gay or not, I am not sure. But men who were effeminate didn't have a chance. the good old days weren't that good, really.
I see the change you see; I so hope it's real and deep.
this would qualify for the safebet project i think (typing like you do in comments because i think your cool). this story, and i love it, would seem to show that we have evolved somewhat. i hope that is true candace.
Where did this tragedy unfold?

"One of them, over a period of weeks, pretended to be interested in a sexual relationship with Dave. "

Details.

BTW, I was out by 1961.
I am moved because I identify with you and feel so sorry for those who lived with these "secrets" and suffered. What an awful thing.
This is both sad and encouraging as well as important beyond simply survival. I've come through it all with a strong sense of self and confidence but I know so many gay men, particularly of my generation or older, who are just shells of the person they could have been, owing to years of having to repress so much of who and what they are. After a while, it becomes second nature and they just shut down permanently, their whole lives becomming nothing more than closed-down function rather than fulfillment and communication. The damage is both depressing and frustrating.

Luckily, chunks of the world are turning corners. Thanks for this.
Thanks for writing this. In high school in the 80's I had several male friends who were gay. I remember very few of us knew this and still one night some guys off of the football team thought it would be fun to run my friends cars off of the road because they were gay. Thank goodness that my friends were not hurt. However, no one was ever prosecuted for running them off of the road either. The football players were sons of prominent citizens ( lawyers, doctors etc.)
chuck: there are many days i wish i had hers. ;; thanks for coming over, friend.

nana: i know what you mean about worrying. i think that means we just have to be careful not to let our guards down.

denver: thanks for the thoughtful comment. lots of us have men like those bailiffs in our families, sadly.

grif: thanks so much. from me to my granddaughter is two generations. i hope it doesn't take many more.

ourbiggayborhood: your comment says in two short paragraphs what my essay told in 800 words. thank you for sharing it with me and the people who read this piece. nice to meet you.

z bitch: i'm glad you thought it was good. my granddaughter and i have a *serious* mutual admiration society. ;;

scarlett: i might just love the new editor a little myself, friend. ;-)
thanks for insightful comment and for being such a careful reader. when something happens like what happened to dave, it tears society's fabric, too.

gary: i'm so honored by your compliment, and let me say i agree wholeheartedly about owl! pure awesomeness. your dad must have been a remarkable man of his generation. ignorance and knee-jerk reactions were far more the norm of that time.

john blu: i can only hope we are. thanks, guy.

sparking: thank you thank you for the "beauty" part! xoxo to you.

greenheron: it's so different depending on the geographical place you live, i think. i'm guessing you and your parents lived in a big city (?) where maybe gay men didn't have to hide. i so appreciate your taking the time to tell us your mom's and her bff's story.

silkstone: i hope so, too. thanks for reminding us about the Prop 8 trial being near its end. i'm encouraged, even if it goes the wrong way, by the polling data since that god-awful election. the fight won't end.

sophieh: little by little, indeed. or, as anne lamott said, 'bird by bird.' thanks so much for reading this.

maria: i have to remind myself that there are people like your friends who managed to live through the witch-hunts and still have a semblance of the life they deserved. thank you for telling a little of their story here.

doloresflores: you're so right - it's the young people who would look at what happened to dave with horror who give us hope. i'm so jealous you got to sit in and listen. wow. i wish i'd been there.

matt: thanks, matt. sad it was, for everyone. thanks for coming by, friend.

leonde: that's it, the exactly right word. thanks for the compliment.

vanessa: ah, such wise words. and from a latina? (i just couldn't resist a jibe at those senators who met their match in sonja sotomayor.) i heart you, my friend from PR.

fusunA: one is too many, you're so right. and there were, sadly, so many more. thank you.

sixty: i know -- we're sixty-sisters! thanks for the reminder that there were more horrors forced on gay folks. i'm surprised they authorities didn't think they could remove their "affliction" by surgical means. gah.

bell: you describe precisely what will solve this: the next generations (my granddaughter, your grandchildren when they come along) seeing sexual orientation as an ordinary, normal human condition. i'm stealing "Fundies." that's just too good.

bea: that's it: the not-so-good old days. in lots more ways than this piece describes, too. thanks!

ann: i hope so, too, dear friend. i truly do.

trig: i think you're pretty cool yourself, KC man. i'm agreeing with you that seeing hopeful change makes me more hopeful. thanks for coming by.

david Ehrenstein: sorry, but since this wasn't reported in the news and i didn't contact any of the people who were directly involved in this situation before i wrote this up, it's essentially hearsay, so i was deliberately vague about the details. in fact, i'm not positive of the year; it's just my best guess.

lea: you're right. it was a truly awful thing. on every level, for every person. thanks for reading and commenting, lea.

bonnie: thanks for leaving the link.

variousartists: you describe the terrible consequences for some of denying who they are. i'm glad you see the other side of the story, my granddaughter's world, where there is hope and acceptance. thanks for reading it. it's good to meet you.

happygolucky432: thanks for telling the story. i'm sure that stuff still goes on. i only hope it's less frequent in the future until it doesn't exist at all. thanks for leaving your thoughtful comment and for visiting my blog for this piece.
Excellent, moving, and I hope prescient piece.

I don't think you ever saw this one of mine, but I think it might resonate. Euloy for a Lost Friend
thanks, sally, for the compliment and for the link to your piece. i wasn't here then so hadn't read it. it's excellent and, obviously, right on the same target i aimed at. as i said to lorraine in the comments above, it still stuns me to my core that dave (and your friend ron) are dead, that their lives are irrevocably gone and all that damage is done like scattershot shrapnel because ... they were gay? it's insane. it's like saying "because they had blonde hair."

don't sweat the typo. i actually thought the new OS s/w might let me fix it, but noooooooo. xoxo
I don't know why, but those bailiffs reminded me of Chris Hansen's sting crew on "To Catch a Predator"
Amen. And well written. Not perfect yet, this world, but absolutely better.
If we could only get past all these mortal trappings.....we just keep hurting each other with our hubris and our judgements. Thank you for writing this....
Sorry I'm late getting here, Femme.
As always yours is a very well-written and thoughtful post. I swear, the argument about homosexuality is the dumbest argument in the world. I consider myself to be fairly informed...I just don't get it.
"Gays and lesbians weren’t just discriminated against and mistreated and humiliated, like people of racial minorities were; they had to be invisible, they had to hide." Exactly. I'm so glad the editors recognized this post. And I'm glad you finished with good news: The trajectory is in the right direction.
Thanks for a moving story well told. Much of my life's work has been collecting the true stories of LGBT folks, particularly the elders -- and I have heard so many stories similar to this. Of course, there are a great deal of other stories left untold -- partly because of the closet but partly, because of the sad demise of people like 'David' here, they don't get to finish their story -- let alone live to tell it.