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FEBRUARY 10, 2013 12:32PM

Ex LAPD.Christopher Dorner- A good folk hero is hard to find

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I’ve written about twenty manifestos about corruption in the LAPD . I have put such "rambling" screeds in writing over and over again.I never would want to seem like a victim and don’t like the word "victim" anywhere near my name, but I know that my family and I have been grievously wronged by the LAPD, and the Los Angeles Legal system yada yada and blah blah blah.

So, it is with not mild curiosity that I have been observing the Christopher Dorner story play out in the media. As a white girl from the right side of the tracks, I never expected to so acutely come to see the poisonous evil that exists in the Los Angeles Police Department and then in the Los Angeles criminal and civil courts. Unlike Dorner, I did not see it from the inside, but I sure did see it, and feel it, and then some. Outrages were served, after being double dipped in travesty juice, and basted in super hot injustice sauce.

 Our stories are similar in many ways.  Dorner too was punished for things he insists he did not do . He too was retaliated against for complaining when he saw corrupt cops following no law. In my case: John Gregozek and James Hoffmnan. In his case: Theresa Evans. In my case, I not only lost my name and career but my liberty. Getting fired from the LAPD seems great by comparison. But, there are stories too of him losing Navy Clearance and other things due to the corruption and lies. Lies have a way of destroying if not caught in time. They fester and then metastize if one isn't lucky enough to have the truth come out in the nick of time.

He too could get no remedy in the channels that he’d grown up to believe existed—the courts, the DOJ, the FBI, the ACLU, the media. And, where the hell is Gloria Allerd?

Judge David Jaffe and then the appeals court were not there to seek justice for him or anyone. He had only to turn to rage or writing or ...

He and I learned too many hard lessons over too short a time. He too was attached to his good name and could not bear that he’d spent a whole life keeping his name clean, and now due to him being at the wrong place at the wrong time, his good name felt gone. In my case, I had sacrificed a lot of fun to keep a clean and good name. The loss of what I see as my good name, has also been impossible to accept.

 Dorner and I, and those similarly aggrieved, discovered that these remedies, when sought, proved elusive, if not downright imaginary or mythical. Similar to how FEMA might appear to those battered by Hurricane Katrina or that other acronymed organization appears to those assaulted by Hurricane Sandy.  Similar to the black woman whose child goes missing and Nancy Grace won’t even return her calls, since her child’s image won’t bring ratings. Ditto Geraldo, Greta, Couric, and the whole press shebang. Hell, the milk carton people didn’t even respond to her e-mail about Latanya.

It’s an acronymed organization has no clothes or the unveiling of the Wizard of Oz type of situation. The America of your imagination is all Oakland—There is no there there. You can’t listen to the song “Bye Bye miss American Pie,” without sobbing.

In other words, when the shit hits the fan, when push comes to shove, when the day of reckoning is nigh, there will be no one but you to save you. You have been lied to and you have come to expect so much that was mirage. You will feel as if your idealism is now naïve buffoonery. C’mon Chris and Alisa, didn’t you know? Are you really that surprised that the LAPD , and the  legal profession is full of liars and agenda ridden opportunists? 

I was oblivious to all the illusion. It served me well. I didn’t succumb to the crippling sense of futility I'd face otherwise. In my case, it let me fight, and not plea under such astounding pressure. It allowed me to leave a trail that might get seen someday.

And, still some are stuck at idealism. It’s permanent. Fatal.The oasis was just a puddle of piss. Yet, you are still  convinced that if you just dig deeper in that desert-- a real oasis will spring forth. Certifiable!

Faced with this confluence of blood boiling betrayals and soul sucking disillusion, Dorner( or you or me) have choices, of course. For today, my choice is to write this blog post. I know I would never choose murder.

There are always choices choices choices. There is good old suicide. Tempting since deep depression surely follows such shocks to our common senses. The loss of a good name, without a precipitating act, is awful, and the witnessing of too much cruelty -- and indifference in the face thereof-- is a recipe for suicidal ideation.

There is that pen is mightier than the sword saw. Twittering and blogging and facebooking and pinteresting it up on Digg and hoping somehow words lead to light and light leads to the light.  Keep pounding at the keyboard and try to ignore your sense that others grow quickly bored with what they will see as some obsession with injustice. If they have not fallen down that particular rabbit hole they will not want to wrap their head around their vulnerability.

Better to believe the mass media’s potrayals of cops and judges and prosecutors as mostly good guys. Otherwise, it is too clear how unsafe you just may be. Surely, they did something to deserve what they  got. They might tweet back that you should smell the roses and enjoy a nice tea and leave you more annoyed in your pursuit of justice headspace.

There is yoga and deep breathing and … hopes that if your serontonin  just spikes enough, you will reach the finish line, and not allow the bastards to beat you. There is living well as some form of revenge . Yet, they don't understand that living takes on new meaning when justice has been so twisted and gee you are not even the vengeful type.  There is the practice of ultra extreme patience on those days that you do fancy ways to serve that dish real nice and real cold.

There is not forgiveness since if you enemy apologizes, or even tries to explain—they admit guilt and they face civil and criminal liability and other forms of untenable censure for doing so. They can’t and won’t shed light, much less ever say they are sorry. Maybe, on their death beds… A big maybe. I bet that's what  Christopher Jordan Dorner wanted above all. An apology. Some explanation. Humanity. Decency. Understanding.

According to the press, Christopher Dorner, chose murder, and the posting of his Manifesto on Facebook as his method.

 His story is getting attention. His means are terrible but the ends are exciting. A ray of hope that the diseased LAPD, and their aiders and abetters in the courts, be scrutinized and investigated after years and years of them ruining life after life. Dorner, in his manifesto, pleas with journalists to just look and dig etc. I hear you on that, bro.

The mainstream press will make him out as a gone postal story, and neglect their own role in his downward spiral: The L.A times does not cover stories on corruption. Nor, do most media outlets. I have heard various explanations as to why this is so. All of them are unacceptable.

If the allegations against, Christopher Dorner, are true than he chose the murder of somewhat random innocents. The coverage I’ve seen is hazy—he killed the daughter of his lawyer and her fiancé and one cop?  I don’t argue that if indeed, Donner, killed another, than he went off the deep end and sunk. If he had killed a person who directly had been responsible for his destruction, then it would be self destructive and stupid. Nothing is worth a life behind bars. The killing of family members of his nemesis? Just … baffling… bizarre.

A big IF should exist as to anything the LAPD releases to the media. It is an organization full of liars and bullies and cover uppers. Dorner was but one in a long line of terrorized truth tellers.

News from Los Angeles Metro in the Los Angeles Times

LAPD Sued by Whistle-Blowers
Courts: Suit by 41 current and former officers and others claims a code of silence is enforced by retaliation against those who report misconduct. Officials decline to comment.

By MATT LAIT, SCOTT GLOVER, Times Staff Writers

More than 40 current and former Los Angeles police officers filed a class-action lawsuit Thursday, alleging that LAPD officials support the department's so-called code of silence by retaliating against those who report misconduct.
Among the plaintiffs in the lawsuit is Officer John Goines, a veteran motorcycle officer who broke ranks with LAPD officials by saying in a deposition last month that he believed the March 1999 fatal shooting of Margaret Mitchell, a mentally ill homeless woman, was unwarranted. Since his comments became public, Goines has been harassed by other officers, including a supervisor, his attorney alleges.
Other plaintiffs include officers who contend they were victims of retaliation for reporting incidents of excessive force, hostile work environment issues and other forms of police misconduct. Many of the plaintiffs said they were forced out of the LAPD because they reported police abuses to their supervisors.
LAPD officials declined to comment on the lawsuit, citing the pending litigation. The lawsuit seeks unspecified monetary damages. A spokesman for the city attorney's office said the suit lacks merit as a class action.
Attorney Bradley C. Gage, who filed the suit, said the LAPD's management fosters the code of silence by punishing departmental whistle-blowers. The retaliation comes in various forms, Gage said, including personnel complaints, undesirable job assignments, demotions and terminations.
"These good cops fear their own administration and management more than the criminals on the street," Gage said.
He alleges in the lawsuit that LAPD managers secretly pass along confidential information about a whistle-blower's background to other managers to perpetuate the harassment of the employee. The practice, Gage said, is known as a "phone jacket."
The issue of retaliation has long been a matter of concern for members of the City Council and Police Department. Three years ago, after a series of public hearings, then--Interim Police Chief Bayan Lewis unveiled a comprehensive anti-retaliation policy that covered all LAPD employees, but was largely meant to protect female officers who complained about sexual harassment and discrimination.
Some women who made such complaints told city leaders they had been targets of death threats, false complaints and warnings from colleagues that they would be left stranded without backup in emergencies.
Last year, city officials passed a law aimed at preventing retaliation against employees who file complaints with the Police Commission's inspector general.
But many officers still believe they will become victims of retaliation if they report a colleague for criminal or departmental misconduct.
Gage said that the recent LAPD corruption probe has uncovered overwhelming evidence that the code of silence exists in the department and is condoned by top brass.
"The Rampart corruption scandal demonstrates that when police officers are afraid to report criminal acts for fear of becoming targets of retaliation, corruption will spread," he said.
Indeed, if ex-officer-turned-informant Rafael Perez is to be believed, the code of silence thrives within the LAPD. Perez, who is cooperating with authorities to obtain a lighter sentence on cocaine theft charges, has told investigators that officers in the Rampart Division's anti-gang unit routinely witnessed and acquiesced to police misconduct. An officer who dared to report misconduct would be ostracized and subjected to retaliation, Perez said.
At a news conference announcing the filing of the suit, Gage was flanked by a half-dozen clients, all of them current or former LAPD officers, who say they suffered retaliation for reporting misconduct by others in the department.
One 18-year veteran who worked in the scientific investigations division said she blew the whistle on a colleague who, while supposedly on sick leave, was attending a "cowboy school" in Colorado. The ex-officer, Coleen Braun, said she reported it to her supervisor, who promised to investigate.
But Braun said she later learned that the supervisor was aware of the misconduct--she had been receiving phone calls and postcards from the officer at the cowboy camp--and did not intend to do anything about it.
As result of filing the complaint, Braun alleged, she was charged with benefits abuse after she had multiple surgeries for work-related injuries to her hands, elbows and shoulders. She was found guilty of the abuses at a departmental Board of Rights and fired earlier this year.
"I want my job back," she said. "I love my job."
Another officer said he was fired after he testified against two officers who are currently under investigation as part of the Rampart scandal. The ex-officer said he told department officials that he had the tape-recorded statement of an officer who witnessed the beating of a homeless man, allegedly at the hands of former Central Division Officers Christopher Coppock and David Cochrane.
The officer, who was originally accused of the beating himself, said he was found not guilty of that charge at a disciplinary hearing. But he was later charged with threatening one of the internal affairs investigators on the case and was fired for that.
Yet another officer said his filing of a formal complaint against a supervisor resulted in a campaign of harassment and retaliation that culminated in his dismissal for "checking out a police car on a rainy day."
Gage said his clients brought a host of other alleged misconduct to the attention of the LAPD, but were ignored or punished for doing so. Among the allegations for which officers say they suffered retaliation: A commander misappropriated public funds, computers were stolen, and officials instructed officers to falsely log on to their patrol cars' computers so that it appeared they had arrived at a crime scene sooner than they actually did.
Gage said one officer was forced off the job after alleging that officers planted drugs on suspects in the Rampart and Wilshire divisions in 1996, the same period during which Perez claims such things were done on a routine basis.
Gage said he has 41 current and former department employees as plaintiffs in the suit, all but a few who were or are sworn officers. He said about 15 are still on the job, but facing some form of discipline. He said he expects that the class, which still needs to be approved, will grow to several hundred.

But, if the allegations against Dorner are  true, Dorner’s choices are too confounding. In my brave new fear filled world, much of this story is fishy and will get fishier. They say he left his badge at some scene, and yet if he was fired, he’d have to have handed back his badge, long ago.  Surely, this intelligent man understood that murder of the innocent would so mar his very very important message. A message that has been ignored for ages.

Fishy, I say. Four day old( left in the sun) Flounder fishy. Do not let the mainstream press and their fishy spin machines lead you to closed minded conclusions.fish2christopherdordenbratton

  large_news628009_481183pic of corrupt Judge, Samantha Jessner, soiling the minds of the young.

Picture of major menace to society, darkness visible , the evil and sinister purevilmariatrattonJudge Maria Stratton 

I’d love to hear others opinions on this story.

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The ballad of Jesse James- some will rob you with a six-gun and some with fountain pen......

And the pen wielders are always SHOCKED! and Horrified! when they are confronted by the "murderer" and they turn to the people for justice-- and the people say, well...... justice ain't exactly your strong point, it's payback time now.
He's not a hero. There are always other options, and we don't know the whole story either. Some people just don't get along well with others, lots of different reasons, and everyone has defeats in life.
How you respond to that tells you who you really are, and going on a rampage isn't one of the ok responses.
HI ferns -- I don't know what to think about this case, but the part where you mention the black woman whose child went missing and she couldn't get any attention for her at all makes me so sad.

I could have sworn I read about this woman cop, theresa someone, before, in another capacity involving cover-ups and such, but I remember no details and could be completely wrong....the whole thing is scary and also odd.
I thought the same thing about that badge being on the scene....what?
That people are dead because of all this is just heinous, but I cannot say anymore in opinion...I just don't know enough detail at all, whether on purpose by a corrupt force or because Dorner's gone crazy....who knows...but people are dead.
I feel for their families.
Complex - but not really. I have seen real justice as well as what it has been replaced with. I know the difference - but do not know if the CJ sytem in LA ever, ever was just. I do not understand who would expect it to be, or who could be shocked when a system that was never fixed breaks bad on me. Justice is real, and observable - maybe even in L.A. - the wheels just turn slowly - very slowly. Power may slip into the hands of the unjust, but they might just as well have stuck their fingers in a light socket.
He said in his manifesto good advice from his mother; "Bad things happen to good people," and didn't make his peace with that. It rains on everyone's parade, if it pours on some.
Herr Rudolphus: Nice scenario there. The pen wielders are the worst.
Don Rich: He's certainly not a hero if he's killing innocent people. I'm not convinced of the LAPD's versions so I'm just keeping an open mind. The story can unfold and unfold and it strikes me as very interesting. It might just open the Pandoras box-- that has been shut tight for too long.
Justthinking:Hi. Good to see you. Similar thoughts to yours. Too confused to form any solid opinions yet. The LAPD I saw was out of a nightmare-- liars, perjurers, cruel monsters with no thought or care to what is right or wrong. I'm much more self destructive than destructive so they are safe from me, but their viciousness and ability to destroy lives is something i wish i hadn't beheld.
I got stuck on a story I read that said he wanted to go back into cop school for retraining after his stint overseas but the cops wouldn't send him back, they stuck him on the street with Theresa. I know how that feels, to beg for help, be ignored, then be punished. I think that killing people is a bit much for a response, though. Shouldn't have done that.
Snowden: nice comment! I did not know it was so bad. Not at all. I had no clue. I thought detectives were swell and judges fair. In retrospect, I was a moron. I hope you are right and that justice does come. I caught a glimps of it and then it was snatched away. You are right it is both complex and simple.
Don Rich: I agree. Going on a murderous rampage is a terrible choice. One that most of us wouldn't make. If he did do as alleged he's a monster in his own right.This story has lots of unfolding to do.
Snowden and Don Rich: My sister "lollylo" commented to you already but thanks for you comments.
Justphyliss: killing is nuts but I tell you I'm not sure about anything I read anymore. In my case, a witness for my defense, Officer Jaqueline Montalvo, died in a car accident three days after she signed in as a witness for me. Her decision would have crossed the thin blue line in a big way. Then, the coroner said she was dead drunk at the time of the car accident. But, many were very confused by how that happened and much debate went on on a message board about that "accident". Hmmm.
Curious for Bill Beck's take on this. Gotta wonder if Dorner was pushed over the edge. Maybe this will bring about some new long-needed scrutiny of the LAPD. If so, some good can come from this.
Powerful, powerful piece, fernsy. I cannot comment on Dorner's story as I haven't been following. One's psyche can only take so much sensationalized horror, you know? Ratings "gets" ... shameful.

Even in Oregon, the media wants to make Dorner's plight about his ties to Oregon ... interviewing one of the people whom Dorner named in his manifesto as someone he would miss ... rather than focus on the actual story. I wouldn't know what to believe especially since it seems all about competition between reporters, news channels, ratings wars, etc., etc., ad infinitum. Dorner's already been lost in the media shuffle.

What I DO know is that your quest for true justice is profound, inspirational, and beyond David and Goliath proportions. You are to be commended for your efforts ... not ever backing down even when the lights of interrogation are blinding and your soul raw from exposure to corruption.

Where it all lands, leads or ends ... I've no idea. I can only continue to hope for real change and to wish peace.

Matt: Yeah, I was hoping he'd write about it too. It's a very intriguing story and the timing seems intersting .Of course, if he did kill innocent people then it's awful but there is that exciting angle of him shining lights on the dangerous gang that is the LAPD.
Eyespye: Gorgeous comment, friend. Thank you. The media is a very unsavory beast. They have some strange loyalties and they make me sick.They are now bringing out his exes to make him look like a dirtbag. They are missing the point and they are doing it on purpose cause they won't report on corruption . It's a strange and unique seeming story. We'll see and que sera, pal.
The LAPD and its attendant judicial system has a history of corruption, cronyism, incompetence, and racism going back decades. Who knows how hard this guy was pushed? Murder is not the answer though. R
Referring to the LAPD as corrupt is like saying Americans are corrupt. Not America the government, but all 330 million people. The LAPD is a pretty large group of people who have differing thoughts and views on everything, just as humans tend to do.

I suppose it depends on what someone means by corruption. In my experience in the LAPD, you had to walk a very straight line. You couldn't do squat in your professional or personal life and not catch hell for it. Also, I know of nothing in any profession that compares to the 181's (personal complaint reports) in the LAPD. Any person can report as many of these reports as they want, on as many officers as they want, as often as they care to. They are all investigated, and even when they are not sustained (found phony) they are kept in an officer's file. If an officer gets, say, 1000 of these reports, and one of them is found valid, the 999 unsustained reports weigh against the officer as having been collected...even when they are false. I know of no other professional service anywhere that holds to that strict of a standard.

It is commonplace, almost cliche to say that the LAPD is dirty. For questions like this, I wish there were a God. God as my witness, I can't think of an organization that is less corrupt. Corruption usually has money attached to it, and there is no financial incentive for the corruption that people claim about the LAPD. You work all the time. You can't steal and sell drugs. You can't do that with any sort of property. You can't have criminal associations. You get regular drug tests. You are polygraphed, psychologically analysed, moved around so as not to create fiefdoms. You are restricted about outside income. You have to make reports, and are closely watched about it.

The opportunities to be corrupt are so few, and the rewards are virtually nonexistent. You will find more corruption in any major hospital, your local bank, every car dealership, the administration of universities...practically everywhere I can think of. People don't risk corruption for shits and giggles. They do it for rational reasons. Usually that is money. If you can find someone on the LAPD doing that, and some sort of scam, which is highly doubtful, it does not represent the LAPD. It would be some small, barely noticed activity. It is not the 10,000 person department. That is an urban myth.

I'll probably regret saying this because people will assume that I have some reason to protect the LAPD. I don't. Frankly, I see more corruption of the truth in general society where people believe and spread myth than in that department. There is so, so much to the LAPD that makes this next to impossible. For one, there is essentially a secret police force within the LAPD, Internal Affairs. You don't know who they are, or where they are, and they watch everything. You can't even make a date with anyone that you meet during your function as an officer....EVER. Ever, ever, ever. Ever. There are so many rules that most civilians never even thought of living under. That ain't the place for corruption. Almost everywhere makes it easier to be corrupt.
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Seer: The media is trying so hard to not mention that he pleas with them for help. If he is killing innocent people then he is worthy of scorn but the media seems to want to spin it so it's just a gone postal story about a guy fired. It's not the case, and they should just report that.
BillBeck: Well, post Rampart Scandal there was probably much more oversight. And, of course, not every officer is corrupt. My guess though is that the good ones leave too soon. I know that Jeffrey Dunn and by proxy his whole unit, The Threat Management Unit, is dangerously corrupt. Do they all enjoy such corruption? Probably not but they are helpless to stop it. Do they get money? Yes, from the Lavely and Singer law firm or any firm that advances their agendas to get fancy celebrity security jobs. If an honest beat cop like Officer Jaqueline Montalvo doesn't play along and crosses the blue line? Well, give her a google. Do the dirty police officers fear the internal affairs? No, they don't. The internal affairs knew for a fact that Jeffrey Dunn, John Gregozek James Hoffman et al falsified reports, made illegal searches and arrests and jailings and cost the tax payer a fortune in the process, not to mention terrorizing me and my family. They knew this without a shadow of a doubt and would do nothing. I would hope it's just this TMU unit that has become so sick but I know the internal affairs covered up for them. Either you were there post rampart and they were on the up and up or you just missed out on corruption. Your portrayal of the LAPD is way too rosy . I was politically moderate and thought police were swell. I'd grown up in NY and never had any run ins with them. I have zero incentive to hate the LAPD. I just know that there is a very corrupt unit called the Threat Management Unit and they lied and cheated and did terrible things to me and my family once we realized what they were doing and didn't cave to them and the lavely and singer law firm.
Also, Bill Beck, thanks for your perspective. I just know that the picture you paint doesn't mesh with a lot of realities.
Algis: It is just a POV. Thanks.
Tough post to comment on Ferns. Read the manifest for the first time yesterday. There's so much in Dorners words that went way to far into his life for me to consider his not have been emotionally abused throughout his life and the firing may have been the push over the edge, sure. Why the long wait to take action? What happened in those 4 yrs. where he sat back ? Maybe I missed something that you can clear up for me. I didn't know about the badge finding and yea, that makes one a bit curious as to how it came about.
LAPD corrupt? You'd have to been living on Sesame Street to assume otherwise for the LAPD or any PD in the nation to not have some form of corruption. This isn't Mayberry, Andy . You can have a payloader full of pitbulls behind the fence but they still have to take a break to shit and eat. I'm not buying it. What do you mean you "can't" do this that or the other thing Bill? Because the force 'frowns" about it? Better yet, there are ramifications? Why would any force NOT frown about any one of the actions you've mentioned? We do"logic." don't we? In no way does "can't happen" mean "doesn't happen"

"Corruption usually has money attached to it, and there is no financial incentive for the corruption that people claim about the LAPD. You work all the time. You can't steal and sell drugs. You can't do that with any sort of property. You can't have criminal associations. You get regular drug tests. You are polygraphed, psychologically analysed, moved around so as not to create fiefdoms. You are restricted about outside income. You have to make reports, and are closely watched about it. "
For someone else who has experience with LAPD see:
Dee: It is a very strange story. So many questions. The fear that no good answers will be supplied. Dorner clearly has a well articulated grievance. His means don't make sense but that is what is being alleged. In those four years. he counted on the courts and the press and any channel that he believed was there to remedy wrongdoing. He learned it was a sham and that the fix was in. He snapped if the allegations are true. Bill Beck's take on the LAPD is just not accurate. There is no internal affairs working for the people. There is rampant corruption in the LAPD and bad cops like John Gregozek and Jeffrey Dunn are rewarded and are able to decimate law abiding people. The whole system is sick in L.A and anyone saying different is either lying or oblivious. Thanks for commenting.
Jan Sand: Great article. She is so right on. The problem is that if he's killing innocent people it's all so.... defeating. Ruth Fowler is very right about who the LAPD bullies. They rarely do it to educated and articulate people. When they do they really need to go into cover up overdrive. A smart and innocent defendant,who can articulate their rights, is a nightmare for them, as is a smart ex cop who was railroaded. They are bullies and they try to pick their prey well, but sometimes they mess up.
I found Doner's manifesto disturbing in many ways, as I'm sure we all did/do. I believe his allegations against the LAPD (great piece Jan) and going as far back as a teacher's denial of a conversation. I also agree he's an articulate writer. What saddens me is that in wanting to clear his name he's doing the opposite. The entire thing reeks of to many oddities.
I want to add this. I come from a long line of Blues. The lastest being my son-in-law a master sergeant here in town. A small town where overseeing the PD should be an easy task. Political players run the ballpark. The chief's son is an officer. His wife was arrested for growing Marijuana in their basement. A large amount. When questioned by the the authorities the kids (cops) response was, "I didn't know what it was." So we have a trained cop who had no idea what marijuna looks like and he's still on the force. That's pure B.S. I know this incident isn't as huge as the topic being discussed here but politics are politics. Good cops, bad cops...they're all over despite any "imposed" PD regulations.
I almost didn't read this because the title scared me off. I should have known better. Well done piece, fernsy. I don't condone his actions and won't ever see him as a hero, but maybe some change will come.
I never said rosy. And Rampart is one of 16 divisions. That was also a moment in time, not all time. Not even all of Rampart was involved in this. LAPD has in excess of 10,000 cops. Rampart may have 400. A handful of them may have been involved with your incident. My point is not to say that the LAPD is rosy. My point is that no small group of anyone represents the whole group. That is not an LAPD issue, that is a human issue. An incident at Rampart does not represent systemic corruption.
I swear, have such strong opinions. I love the way you write. It makes us all wake up and breathe in icy air. Injustice is ALWAYS awful and there's no way to tart it up.
Dee: Thanks for your knowing perspective. Yeah, it does reek from too many oddities. The biggest one is that if he didn't want to look like a liar etc why would he want to look like a killer of innocent people? Clearing one's name would not lead a normal person to that. Politics are politics and sometimes that can be real ugly.
Jlsathre: Glad, you finally clicked on. As it stands, he is no hero. I can't relate to his choices. Incomprehensible. And, I went through much worse than him. Still, it's an interesting story that might bear some fruit.
BillBeck: There were good germans. Of course, not all are bad. But, I saw a whole unit. The LAPD's Threat Management Unit, act like terrorists and criminals. They comitted crime after crime and got away with it. The internal affairs and the FBI should have had them all arrested and tried. Instead they did nothing. John Gregozek and Jeffrey Dunn are chilling sociopaths, getting rich off of others misery and terrorizing innocent people. You should address that rather than trying to make it seem "cliche" when someone has a beef with the notorious LAPD.
BrazenPrincess: Great to see you. Thank you for your kind words. I rather write silly things ...
I thought about you when I first heard the news. I wasn't surprised when I saw the story, except maybe that it took so long for something like this to happen. I'm wondering when the next time will happen, and where.

Loss of hope is a terrible thing, worse when the person is ill. Sometimes when people are powerless they don't want to remain powerless.

Sorry I haven't been around, you and many others have been in my thoughts and heart. Love and strength to you fernsy, never give up hope. Peace to us all.
Doris: Great to see you. I replied earlier but it went missing. yes, hopelessness and recognizing powerlessness are deadly. truth willing out somehow is the best hope we can have sometimes. the judge in his case, David Yaffe, is not a good judge and that angle needs to be appreciated-- the judges in LA know who butters their bread etc. Again, a treat to see you.
One of 21 divisions...Rampart......just the facts...

Anyway..this is becoming more and more strange. A video with the cops saying to "light the fucking cabin on fire. "(Statements by members of the LAPD: No we don't work that way. We go by the book and will take him out alive unless we have no choice. ) Basically confirming Dorners take on the LAPD.

At- 2:20 a.m., Thursday, Feb. 7: A shuttle bus driver turns in a wallet with an LAPD badge and a picture ID of Dorner to San Diego police. The wallet was found fewer than five miles from the boat, near San Diego International Airport. YET a "charred" body was found inside the burnt down cabin with a wallet next to it containing Dorners driving liscense.

I know whenever I burst into flames in a fire, I also like to carry my non-flammable ID on me just in-case.

So they found his wallet twice? What a team.
OMG! TME: I came on to write the exact same thing. EXACTLY on both points!!!! too much. So glad they messed up and let that audiotape come to light. The whole truth will never come about but some truth might. The only oversight is the press and they need to stop worrying about ratings , lawsuits and their own asses, and really cover this story.
always the creepy Los Angeles city attorney reads me. The city attorney of los angeles are a gang of tax payer rapists and overall psychos who work for dirty cops like Jeffrey Dunn and John Gregozek and filthy lawyers like Marty Singer. Jennifer Waxler , Bernie Brown ,Felise Kalpkakian , Martin Boags, and Katie Ford will be fully exposed as the murderous freaks that they are, and for the vicious frauds they perpetrated in case 8CA10541, and now the case of Melissa Balin. Dorner was burned up and they never offered surrender, but there are other LAPD victims who will fight back with non violent means.

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Living on the East Coast doesn't make me unaware of the corruption of the LAPD, or any of the other big city police departments. I would be foolish to think that Dorner's death will change anything.
I will search Judge Jessner, who apparently also uses children as human shields.
JeannaMorris: I spent the vast majority of my life in New York and I just had no idea. And, having no idea, I didn't feel the outrage. In retrospect, i feel kind of guilty for not recognizing or appreciating the L.A riots and even the OJ verdicts for what they were. At 38 y.o, something terrible threw me into the same system and now I understand but don't condone. What the LAPD did to me and my family was really much more extreme than what was done to Dorner. And, yet we don't go on killing sprees so.... It's just not a very simple wrong or right. I don't think Dorner's actions will change anything since his means were so senseless and the mainstream press has gone with the narrative they have. But, I do hope that someone does as he pleaded-- and journalists do dig into hi firing and find that he was a victim of the blue wall of silence and that this is the norm LAPDwise. He doesn't appear to be a run of the mill spree killer and yet his choice to kill the daughter of the lawyer , who allegedly sold him out, is deranged. I think the "system" is hidden and very hard to see unless you are unlucky enough to. So no judgement on those who assume otherwise. We are taught from the start that we have a superior and good system. It's false. Do google Judge Samantha Jessner. She, Judges Maria Stratton, Robert Vanderet, Karla Kerlin, and the mayors' sister, judge Villar de longoria, are using Stalin's tricks in their courtrooms, once dirty LAPD officers like John Gregogozek file bad charges and the defendant won't plea and might cost them lots of money on a trial. Loooong story but one that is OUTRAGEOUS.
I am sorry to hear that you had to endure such a terrible injustice. No wonder you feel the way you do. I can only hope that it is all long behind you and that you and your family are not too scarred.
I did search Jessner, finding she is quite a tyrant. I hope her reign does not affect your life.
JeanaMorris: Thank you. Pretty scarred and life affected. Jessner truly makes Nurse Ratchet seem like a sweetheart. There is a Judge Maria Stratton who is even worse. It's a truth I wouldn't wish on almost anyone. Who needs to know this crap? Geez. the press, for whatever reasons, doesn't want to open up these outrages to the public and so almost no one knows. When told they find it impossible to believe and on an on it goes. I appreciate your kind and intelligent comments , and if you are new-- welcome to Open Salon.
With a recent segment of Ian Masters' Background Briefing on KPFK (available on archive), he states that Dorner was in fact mentally ill. And for this reason, he was let go not only by the LAPD but by the Naval Reserve. They talked about his Facebook page, which they characterized as bizarre, and they referenced the fact that the black community as a whole did not respond positively to Dorner's charges.

They also said that LAPD Chief Beck had in fact acted responsibly towards the black and minority community, substantially changing the corporate culture of the police force.

And as you have already said, murder is not justified under any circumstances.

Please listen to that KPFK segment, and give us your additional thoughts.
oldnewlefty: I could only get to this link. and I could not figure out what to read or hear. Could you please supply a direct link. From what you've written here I am beyond dubious by what you read
. Murder is not justified. Burning him to death and shooting at women is not justified. Rational people agree.
So they are playing the mental health card, now? Very easy to do that and to cynically discredit someone. I don't understand why if the allegations are true-- he killed innocent people. This just doesn't make sense. If it is true than he lost it big. I don't see his manifesto as too bizarre . there are some aspects i'd love to edit i.e his shout outs to celebrities and his mention of terminating the families of those who harmed him are "bizarre" But, his plea to journalists rings very true. Why beg and plead for journalist to dig into your case if you are guilty of lying about Theresa Evands kicking a shizophrenic? I doubt he was mentally ill in the sense that he was kicked out for any other reason than being a whistleblower. Being a truth teller in that culture is seen as nuttiness but that's not Dorner's problem. Listen, I'm not unbiased. I loathe the LAPD's Threat Management Unit, and know with a shadow of a doubt that not only are they evil to the core, but the internal affairs will do nothing when shown mountains of evidence of their waste and blatant corruption.I despise the L.A legal sytem from every angle: Police(although a good officer was dead thee day after agreeing to testify on my behalf againt the police(Jaqueline Montalvo) so not all of them are bad, of course. Private lawyers, public defenders, prosecutors, judges-- The vast majority were total crap-- the dregs of society. I'm getting the story together. There are 1900 documents so it's not easy. Beck might be trying to clean it up but there just might be too much to clean and it's an excercise in futility. I don't know much about racism, other than what I've read or heard, and I don't see the Dorner story as one where racist was the theme, at all. I'd be happy to EX-POUND further if you supply a link that I can use.
racism not racist.
1. I think Dorner was wrong for doing what he did.
2. That said, I don't know if the police intentionally burned him down in his house on purpose. Lots of contrary reports on this. I also don't know if its a good precedent that Drones were used to look for him. I don't like 24/7 robot surveillance drones in the air at all times. Makes me nervous.