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Lorraine Berry lives in the Fingerlakes region of New York, although it's her transplanted home. On weekends, she can be heard throughout the area, cheering on her beloved Manchester City F.C. When not writing at Does This Make Sense? or Talking Writing, she can be found hiking with her two dogs, hanging out with her two daughters, eating what her beloved Rob has cooked for her, or teaching creative writing at a small college in the area.

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JUNE 9, 2009 11:13AM

Oh, to be a White, Male Conservative NY Times Columnist

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It must be a great gig to be white, male, and a "conservative" opinion columnist at the New York Times. Given that the "Gray Lady" is one of the  favourite examples trotted out to prove the "liberal media conspiracy" in this country (despite the fact that Judy Miller, the Bush administration's fluffer for the invasion of Iraq, was a NYT writer), if you are lucky to win the conservative column lottery at the Times, well, you can pretty much write what you want--no matter how vacuous and unaware--and you can't get fired. If you were to get fired, howls would erupt that the Times quashes free speech among its conservative writers. 

Which is too bad, because the Brooks/Douthat duo this morning gave me agita. 

 I'm not sure that David Brooks has ever considered any other viewpoint than the one he was born into. This morning's column, in which he openly mocks the idea that being born into a Latino, African-American, Caucasian, Asian or Native American family might have some impact on the way you look at life, displays such ignorance, I'm not sure where to start. 

According to Brooks, if Sotomayor had been a little older, she would have gotten the message that in order to make it in America, she would have to assimilate--that is, be as close to being a white male as she could--if she wanted to get ahead. 

But she happened to attend Princeton and then Yale Law School in the 1970s. These were the days when what we now call multiculturalism was just coming into its own. These were the days when the whole race, class and gender academic-industrial complex seemed fresh, exciting and just.

There was no way she was going to get out of that unscarred. And, in fact, in the years since she has given a series of speeches that have made her a poster child for identity politics. In these speeches, race and gender take center stage. It’s not only the one comment about a wise Latina making better decisions than a white male; it’s the whole litany. If you just read these speeches you might come away with the impression that she was a racial activist who is just using the judicial system as a vehicle for her social crusade.

I should mention, before I go on, that Brooks examines Sotomayor's record, decides she's not a racist, and decides to support her nomination to the Supreme Court. That's great. I'm glad that he has bestowed his blessing upon Sotomayor. 

But it's the rest of the column that makes me ill. You see, Brooks apparently cannot stand the idea that at one time, it occurred to people that the ways that history gets interpreted, or the way the law is applied to you, or your chances of getting hired, or of getting into college, or of being able to buy a house, or of being able to move into a particular neighborhood could have ever had anything to do with race. And for a while, a lot of consciousness-raising went on on college campuses. 

History got rewritten. We began to understand, for example, that Native Americans might have a different view of the "conquest of America" than, say, WASPs; that the threat of lynching might have kept African-Americans, Catholics, and Jews from participating in Southern politics; that not being able to get a loan without your husband's co-signature might have had an impact on women's economic freedom. 

Instead, Brooks acts as if Sotomayor's awareness that Latino/a history in this country is a mixed bag makes her untrustworthy. No mention of the continued prejudice that Latinos face in this country; no mention that the taunts of "illegal immigrants" are still used; no mention that historians like Peggy Pasco have documented that Latinos couldn't marry whites. 

In Mr. Brooks' world, everything should be read through the lens of being white, male, and upper middle class like him. Anything else reeks of "identity politics." Mr. Brooks is simply normal. It's the rest of us who need to shape ourselves to fit into the system. So regardless of our race, gender, sexual orientation, class, or religion, we need to disregard all of that and think like Mr. Brooks does before we can say that we truly understand the law and are therefore fit to serve on the Supreme Court. 

In short, Sotomayor’s career surpasses the crude categories she sometimes articulates. Despite the ideas she picked up while young, she has, over many years, chosen to submit herself to the discipline of the law, and she has not abused its institutions. I hope she’s confirmed.

In other words, the law, despite its origins, is color-blind, gender-blind, sexual-orientation-blind, class-blind. How can Mr. Brooks say this? May I suggest that he only sees what he wants to see? 

How cool it would be to get paid for a world view based on what Mr. Brooks sees.

 And then, we have Ross Douthat, who, this morning, decided to weigh in on the assassination of Dr. George Tiller.

When Douthat began his column, I actually thought that perhaps he understood what was at stake. He writes: 

Tiller did abortions in third trimester, when almost no one else would do them – which meant, inevitably, that he handled the hardest of hard cases. He performed abortions on women facing life-threatening complications, on women whose children would be born dead or dying, on women who had been raped, on “women” who were really girls of 10. His Wichita, Kan., office, barricaded against protesters, was reportedly lined with thank-you notes.

But then, Douthat argues, perhaps Dr. Tiller wasn't such a saint after all. 

But such narratives are not the only story about George Tiller’s clinic. He was a target of protests — and, tragically, of terrorist violence — because he performed late-term abortions, period. But his critics were convinced that he performed them not only in truly desperate situations, but in many other cases as well. Over the years, they cobbled together a considerable amount of evidence — drawn from the state’s abortion statistics, from Tiller’s own comments, and from a 2006 investigation — suggesting that Tiller abused the state’s mental-health exemption to justify late-term abortions in almost any situation.

This evidence is persuasive, but not dispositive. We may never know how many of George Tiller’s abortions were performed on healthy mothers and healthy fetuses. But whatever the verdict on Tiller’s practice, most abortions in the United States bear no resemblance whatsoever to the hardest third-trimester cases.

Yes, many pregnancies are terminated in dire medical circumstances. But these represent a tiny fraction of the million-plus abortions that take place in this country every year. (Almost half of that number are repeat abortions; around a quarter are third or fourth procedures.) The same is true of the more than 100,000 abortions that are performed after the first trimester: Very few involve medical complications of any kind. Even the now-outlawed “partial-birth” procedure, which abortion-rights supporters initially argued was only employed in the direst of dire situations, turned out to be used primarily for purely elective abortions.

It turns out that it's us pro-choice folks who are responsible for Dr. Tiller's murder. You see, if, as we believe, as long as a woman is pregnant, it's her body and her right to determine what to do with it, we are the unreasonable ones. It is our unwillingness to set any kind of limits on abortion that have driven the terrorists of the anti-choice movement to act as they do.

If only we would compromise. If only we would say that "yes, you're right."  No abortions after the first trimester unless the woman's life is in danger. It's us. We're undemocratic. Let me explain. 

If anything, by enshrining a near-absolute right to abortion in the Constitution, the pro-choice side has ensured that the hard cases are more controversial than they otherwise would be. One reason there’s so much fierce argument about the latest of late-term abortions — Should there be a health exemption? A fetal deformity exemption? How broad should those exemptions be? — is that Americans aren’t permitted to debate anything else. Under current law, if you want to restrict abortion, post-viability procedures are the only kind you’re allowed to even regulate.

If abortion were returned to the democratic process, this landscape would change dramatically. Arguments about whether and how to restrict abortions in the second trimester — as many advanced democracies already do – would replace protests over the scope of third-trimester medical exemptions.

The result would be laws with more respect for human life, a culture less inflamed by a small number of tragic cases — and a political debate, God willing, unmarred by crimes like George Tiller’s murder.

See? Those of us who consider ourselves pro-choice with no exceptions killed Dr. Tiller. We drove the other side to its craziness. If we left it up to a democratic process, then surely we would peacefully agree to a reasonable policy on abortion.

Um. Douthat. You do remember South Dakota, right? The state that recently democratically voted to outlaw all abortions even in cases of rape, incest, and the mother's health? Democracy in action.

Because you see, the other side of this extreme says that if life begins at conception, you can't have abortions--ever. To do so is to kill a fetus, a soul. It doesn't make a difference if you abort a two-week embryo or a six-month fetus.

Douthat says we are the unreasonable ones. The other side would be willing to settle for what the democratic process brought us. They would be willing to accept abortions up to 13 weeks. But clearly, he hasn't read the anti-choice materials. 

He doesn't have to. He knows who the unreasonable ones are. It's people like me, who trust women and their doctors to choose what is best for the woman. Those other people, the ones who don't trust women and don't trust doctors, they're the ones who would settle down if we just compromised with them. 

Does he think that people started opposing Roe v Wade yesterday? Does he not understand that certain churches teach that if one has to choose between the life of the mother or the life of the fetus, the fetus takes precedence--mother's life be damned? 

I'm not sure why I'm writing about this again. It feels, again, like we're getting nowhere. 

All I know is that the conservative columnists at the New York Times have got it good. They can write twaddle and they're protected. They're supposedly a minority at the Times, according to the rightwingers.

I guess Brooks and Douthat owe their jobs to affirmative action. 

Imagine that. 

 

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Lorraine why are you so shocked? Remember Brooks referred to "Obama the sourjourner". Isn't Douthat short for douchebagthat?
OES,
Thanks for pointing out the Brooks quotation about Obama. I just read Joan's column about it from last year. I didn't know that Brooks said that about Obama--I blessedly missed it.
I just feel my insides curl up inside themselves when I think about how Sotomayor and Obama are seen as radical or racists, and the people who are calling them that are either over racists, or they're just so frickin' unaware of their own positions within this culture. It reminds me of what Molly Ivins said about Dubya: "Born on third and thought he hit a triple." Same thing. Some people are born into privilege or wealth or whatever, and they never question how they got there. Just take it for granted that that's the norm and the rest of us, who do focus on things like race or class or gender or sexual orientation--that we're the racists.
My blood is boiling.
Agita.
Aaron.
Yeah. Sometimes, you just got to rant. It feels better.
I believe it was the Founding Fathers who wrote right into the Constitution the idea that the minority had to be protected from the majority in a democracy. It's not undemocratic to think so. It acknowledges that individuals have rights that cannot be taken away from them because a majority of people suddenly feel afraid of them.
Lorraine
If Brooks was one of my patients he'd be diagnosed with social phobic panic disorder-- a non existent diagnosis for a thinker? with no existent pattern of logic. Douthat just confuses me.
It's an amazing proposition that someone could be oblivious to the fact that people born in different circumstances might actually have *different* perspectives. And possibly someone born a rich, white, male - if he really stretched his intellect, might recognize his position of privilege.
@Fingerlakeswanderer -- "the Founding Fathers who wrote right into the Constitution the idea that the minority had to be protected from the majority in a democracy. It's not undemocratic to think so. It acknowledges that individuals have rights that cannot be taken away from them because a majority of people suddenly feel afraid of them."

There is indeed a lot of irony embedded in that sentiment, isn't there?
Yes. There is. I'm a democrat, and in general, I trust the people, but the majority of people in this country bought the Bush lies that we needed to go to war against Iraq, and much of the progress toward civil rights in this country has happened because of the courts, not because of the democratic process. Sad, but true. I think it's all part of my world view. Nothing is black and white. Everything is grey. I have my own feelings about abortion, even, but I resolutely believe that a pregnancy is a private matter. Period. So, even though I might make a different decision for myself, I can't tell another woman what to do. I try to remember that I'm not the queen of the universe. I try to keep that in mind. If we all kept that in mind--that we don't get to decide who people love or what a woman does with her pregnancy--perhaps the world would be a better place. But then again, I could be wrong.
I don't agree with Douthat's larger point, but his column did not at any point imply (let alone state) that Tiller's murder was the responsibility of anyone but pro-life extremists. Note that he used the word "Terrorism" to describe Roeder's actions: something that hasn't been done often enough in the press.

His real point—that abortion in this country will remain painfully divisive until the abortion debate is clarified via elections and debates—is hardly a position of privilege. Abortion is one of the most difficult moral and ethical issues of our times. Both pro-choice and pro-life sides have strong, principled arguments to support their positions, and the right answer to the question depends as much on what assumptions you make about when life begins as anything else.

Laws need to be based on a strong sense of collective morality and we lack that with abortion laws. While Douthat's suggestion that we resolve the issue at the ballot box is problematic, discussing paths towards a broad consensus on abortion is healthy and needed. The fundamentals of the debate are too important to leave to the courts.
Specular,
I respectfully disagree. I think if you read those last three paragraphs carefully, he is saying that it was the pro-choice side's insistence that no restrictions could be put on abortions, including third trimester abortions, that drove the Tiller murder. And yes, he uses the term terrorism, for which he should be commended.
But I am not sure what "morality" has to do with pregnancy and abortion. I'm not being obtuse; as I have pointed out in earlier posts, pregnancy is risky. Women die every day giving birth. Babies die every day being born. A woman's decision on whether she is going to risk her health in order to give birth is not a moral decision, it's a medical decision, and just as I don't see whether the decision to have heart surgery as a moral choice, nor do I see abortion as a moral decision. You and I may never come to any agreement on this. But I would hate for us to turn over all medical decisions to the general population and ask them to vote on whether they they're okay with them or not.
Can you think of a similar medical procedure for men that is a moral decision? Can you think of a similar medical procedure for men that should be put to a popular vote?
"Can you think of a similar medical procedure for men that should be put to a popular vote?"

uh, Yeah, actually I can. And it's gonna leave a scar.
When you've still got folks on talk radio referring to the Spanish language as "Mexican" or "illegal alien" and who don't know that Puerto Ricans (even those who were born on, live their whole lives on, and die on the island) are AMERICAN CITIZENS, or that Sonia Sotomayor was born and raised in New York City (oh--and whatever you'd like to say about multiculturalism and liberalism at Princeton and all that--she was the valedictorian of her class at the decidedly non-liberal Cardinal Spellman Catholic High School despite having to do all her schoolwork in her second language, which even the most conservative of universities would take note of as being a sign of intelligence and discipline)...well, what do you expect?
David Brooks is a waste of oxygen. He has no originality or spark of any sort. He can't even represent the token opposition.
Douthat's article, on the other hand, is substantive and well argued, and as even-handed as you'll find in the abortion debate. He made an important point that the majority of 3rd trimester abortions are actually purely elective, and have nothing to do with the mother or the babies' health. This is a dirty little secret that the pro-choice side does its best to minimize.
You make the mistake of assuming that anyone who opposes late term abortion necessarily believes that life starts at the moment the sperm touches the egg. In fact, most americans are centrists in the abortion debate. Most americans do believe women should have a right to abortion, but they also believe late term abortions should be restricted by law.
It's always refreshing to read the opposition to the NYT asswipe parade of verbiage.

And I wish that someone would describe the AA programs that got Brooks and Douthat into their overcompensated positions in life.
"In Mr. Brooks' world, everything should be read through the lens of being white, male, and upper middle class like him. Anything else reeks of "identity politics." Mr. Brooks is simply normal. It's the rest of us who need to shape ourselves to fit into the system."

Thank you for this. I've been wanting to write something similar in all this Sotomayor fracas. That white men still see their personal state as well as their views as even "neutral" (much less superior) and all else as "deviant" in some fashion is stunning to me. There's a weird undertone to it - as if they have no identity. hmm, maybe I need to blog about this after all.
I guess Brooks and Douthat owe their jobs to affirmative action.

Bingo!
I admire your excellent efforts to make sense of these arguments. Alas, I just stopped reading most of these columnists about a year ago. I now use that time to write. There always have been and always will be arrogant pricks who advise and write. Like you, I will fight them by writing my own thoughts.
History is written by those in charge and now that the white male world view is losing some ground there are stupid columns such as those you are expertly critiquing. It is hard to watch the news or read lately without getting angry. Thanks for being able to write about this calmly and persuasively.
There isn't a lot I can add that you, Stellaa and Silkstone haven't said already. When one group of people considers themselves the gold standard of what is good, smart and sane, everyone else is automatically inferior. The assumption they make is that to understand these other groups one must act as though they are humoring a child.
Two points.
One, it is a yes and a no question on the dominant view.
Of course reality looks differently when you are a descendant of slave owners with money as compared to the descendants of the slaves, or the Indians for that matter. One can also go to far with this however in the sense of social peace. All societies need their noble lies at times, or they descend into civil conflcit; it is a question of finding a reasonable new text to replace the old text, which must incorportate the old subtext if you like postmodernism, which actually is true and again false.
Remember that hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue, to keep the peace.
As to the abortion question, yes, it would seem given his public statements that anti-abortion extremists are responsible for Tiller's death in the sense of creating a climate like that one surrounded John Brown, which is a warning sign.
I do, however, think that Douhat is correct in a limited sense that it is useful to compare American abortion law to Western Europe, and see that we and England are actually outliers.
I have studied Roe extensively, and concluded the truth was in between Blackmun, who ruled overbroadly and before the issue was ready for such a disposition, and Rehnquist, who was incorrect in denying that there was any privacy issue at stake, the proof o which can be seen in the fact that we object to Chinese forced abortions intuitively because that seems a grotesque invasion of privacy, and that the Court would have been well-advised to use the Common Law standard of quickening, a legal definition, in order to impart stability to an issue that is bound to be highly emotional, which even Blackmun acknowledged. But an interesting post.
Fingerlake,

There's a huge difference between claiming that our court-mandated solution to the abortion debate creates more controversy than would otherwise be the case and claiming that the pro-choice community drove Reoder to assassinate Tiller. He's not making that claim. I don't agree with his assessment—putting abortion on the ballot box nationally would only make the issue hyper-contentious, as the stakes would be so high—but he's not making any claims that Roeder was driven by anything the pro-choice side did. Moreso, even if he were making that claim, it would be sloppy analysis, not an endorsement of Reoder's actions. You're implying he's making a (reprehensible) moral argument based on him for analyzing the situation differently than you. It's unfair to him.

By saying abortion is a medical decision alone, you're creating a strawman argument that has little bearing on the actual debate. While there are some of pro-life extremists who want abortions banned in all circumstances, they are a small (if vocal) minority. The extremists on either side are fantastic boogiemen for the opposing political parties to exploit (Republicans: pro-choicers want to allow abortion on demand until the third trimester, they want abortion as birth control; Democrats: pro-lifers want take away all abortion, even in the case of incest, rape and mortal threat to the woman's life), but they don't represent a significant chunk of either side, let alone the electorate as a whole.

The abortion debate is primarily about important non-medical issues: when is the collection of cells in woman's body a human, with it's own rights? Once that collection of cells becomes a child, how do we balance its rights against the mothers? These are not trivial ethical concerns, nor ones for which there are obvious right answers.

You've asked me to name a medical procedure for men that should be put to a vote. How is that relevant? Men do not give birth. Like it or not, no man will naturally have a fetus in his body. No man has to reconcile his obligation to his own body versus the obligation to a biological entity that may grow into his offspring. Is that fair? Perhaps not, but fair or not, it is the biological circumstances we are born into.

My personal belief is that a fetus is a collection of cells—only significant through our emotional attachment—until it achieves self-awareness. And I don't know what that point is, so I believe that women should question themselves and decide when it is too late to have an abortion, what risks they are willing to take to ensure a risky pregnancy comes to term (vs. aborting), etc. But my assumption about where a fetus becomes a human is an assumption. I could be wrong, just as you could be.

Until we, collectively as a nation, have an understanding of when those cells become a human life, our laws are going to be problematic. Until we stop settling for easy answers and struggle with the very difficult question of balancing the rights of unborn humans (whenever they become that) and mothers, our laws will be problematic.

Douthat was wrong about a lot of things in his article, but he was right about the need for a vigorous public debate.
Lorraine, thank you for this analysis of Brooks and Douthat's latest columns. While I do read the NYT, I don't normally read either. However, I do watch the News Hour and the Sunday morning talk shows and am continually astounded at how Brooks refuses to acknowledge any argument or fact that does not support his own very narrow viewpoints.

I think you're spot on in your analysis of Douthat's column - it is, btw, similar to the sentiments that a couple of my very conservative friends from high school expressed in response to my linking to some of the OS memorials to Dr. Tiller.

@silkstone, a big "ditto"

@stellaa, only you could put things so cleverly and bluntly, and a big "ditto" there, also.
icemilkcoffee and specular,
I hear what you're saying. There was an interesting poll in TIME magazine last week that said that 52 percent of all Americans now regard themselves as anti-choice, meaning they oppose abortion, period. Now there are problems with who was polled, and perhaps it's not representative of how Americans really feel, but if it's the case, then putting abortion to a vote right now would mean losing all abortion rights. So, most Americans are not pro-choice, at least for now.

Third-trimester abortions are an emotional topic. No denying it. As I've written about before, I had a second trimester miscarriage, which i found devastating, but I wanted to be pregnant, and I had invested the fetus I was carrying with human-ness.

I'm not sure that a fetus that cannot live outside its mother's womb qualifies as a person, and so, I err on the side of seeing this as between a woman and her doctor. If there is a reason for a third-trimester abortion, than i trust that the doctor and the woman come to that decision for the right reasons. But you know what? People do stuff all the time that I don't agree with, and even if a woman chooses to have an abortion in her third trimester for all the "wrong' reasons, I still think it's a medical procedure. I'm not being disingenuous here. Until that baby is out in the world, a woman should have privacy in deciding with her doctor what is to be done with her pregnancy.

Specular, you say abortion is primarily about non-medical issues. But I would argue that that is how some people choose to frame it. Because their philosophical/moral/religious views tell them that life begins at conception, or quickening, or some other milestone in development, they think that then gives them the right to interfere in a medical situation.

I was thinking about this when I was driving around. I really can't think of any other medical procedure where a)people feel as if they should get a say in what is allowed to happen, and b)there is still a sense that unwanted pregnancies are indicative of there being something wrong with the pregnant woman. Aren't all women supposed to have a maternal instinct that longs to be pregnant and give birth? And isn't she a freak if she doesn't want to be pregnant? And if she didn't want to get pregnant, why was she having sex?
See, I don't think we can really separate the abortion issue from the sex issue, and I don't think it's surprising that many of the people who oppose abortion also oppose teaching sex ed, or premarital sex, or any of the other sexuality issues.
You're right, Specular, men don't get pregnant. So, women are saddled with this issue. And yet, men don't seem to have a problem telling women what to do. Can you see how that might cause some resentment among women?
The other thing I was thinking about in terms of morals and medical procedures is this: if a man has been a chain smoker his entire life, and then, in his 50s, he suddenly needs coronary bypass surgery to repair the damage done by smoking, does he have the moral right to have that surgery? After all, he has done this to his body. Why should he not suffer the consequences of his actions?

I think the impasse that you and I have reached is that until a woman gives birth, I do not believe a fetus has rights. For me, fetal rights do not enter into the equation. Perhaps as the mother of two girls this makes me a monster, but I choose to work like hell for the living--the born--and subjugate any rights for the unborn to the woman who is carrying the fetus.

As to the vigorous public debate argument. ROE v WADE was handed down in 1973. We have had vigorous public debate for 36 years. And really, we've gotten nowhere. I used to think there was a middle ground, because I will always choose shades of grey over black and white any day. But each time I think, okay, no abortions after 13 weeks, or 26 weeks or 30 weeks, I can come up with a reason why a woman may need an abortion, and I don't want to close the door to her. I would prefer that we keep abortion on demand the law of the land. I would prefer that abortion remains a medical decision made between a woman and her doctor.

And I still think from parsing what Douthat said, that he is arguing that if the pro-choice camp had just been reasonable--had just agreed that 3rd trimester abortions were unacceptable, that Dr. Tiller would still be alive. Perhaps he's not blaming the pro-choice side for Tiller's death ( and I didn't write the headline which takes any nuance in my argument out), but I would also argue that even if third trimester abortions were outlawed, the anti-abortion crowd would simply set their sights on outlawing second trimester abortions, and so on.

I guess what we all need are numbers. How many "extremists" are there on both sides? How many people are truly in the middle? And where is the middle?
You rock, ConnieMack!!!!
Since no one can agree on the abortion issue, there never should be a law against it. A law banning all abortion will just lead to dangerous abortions but will not stop abortions.
If I didn't watch Bill Moyers I think I'd just go nuts. These awful people.
The government tells you who you can hate. It is a crime to hate women, ethnic minorities, non-heterosexuals, and religious people. It is not a crime to hate white men. I love you, Big Sister.
Noah,
I suggest you learn how to read. I do not hate white men. That is not what I said. And given that you have made this exact same comment on several blogs, may I respectfully suggest you come up with a new talking point?
Congratulations on being promoted to the front page. This post and the ensuing debate deserve it!
Finger, since your post is about Brooks and Douthat as much as the abortion issue we've been debating, I replied with a new post of my own: http://open.salon.com/blog/specular/2009/06/09/a_pro-choice_prolife-argument_opportunity_for_change. Alas, I suspect the fact I revealed in the headline that it was about abortion means the nutters will be unleashing the trolls, but perhaps we'll get some different perspectives, too.
Awesome. That is all.
I think Fingerlake what the poll data show is ambivalence.
The later the term and the less obstacles, the less support, but that does not make them anti-abortion.
Craig Leonard Bryans, a professor at Virginia Tech, has good research on the public opinion of abortion, which shows it, as usual, to be fairly moderate in character.
There is so much wisdom in your words here. So much.
It's like thinking *I* have no accent - a number of people also don't, but outside our little group EVERYone else has an accent. (Instructive to hear our accent mocked - or, as in some British older movies, imitated seriously. Also, some of those black comedians who have fun with how white people dance, etc.) It's the default I-am-the-centre-of-the-universe position. Just as in the womb we recapitulate various stages, also in our lives we have to have our own Copernicus/Galileo eureka moments, or get stuck in our own heads. Which are ensconced you-know-where. (A condition ridiculous to outsiders, but which doesn't prevent the pundits concerned from sounding snotty...)
Brooks has me confused. She is boring and unimaginative and sticks to precedent. Isn't that what the Cons want? She is also shaped by her ethnicity. Interesting that Samuel Alito said the same thing. That was ok. Are Italian-Americans now a "safe" ethnicity? I still remember being asked if I knew anyone in the Mafia. I replied no - my family was too busy graduating from college.
LFW, when I see those names, I make like a roadrunner in the other direction. Unfortunately, I'm on another political blog, am I have to debate these unfortunates. The way I do it is, no, that's the comic's blog I'm on, sorry.
Rated Q for Quality
Who exactly does Douthat think should have a say in the matter of a woman's choice to have an abortion or not? Does he think each case should be open to and determined by public debate or something? Or does he think women should only be allowed to decide what happens in their body if it's a life and death situation?