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Lorraine Berry lives in the Fingerlakes region of New York, although it's her transplanted home. On weekends, she can be heard throughout the area, cheering on her beloved Manchester City F.C. When not writing at Does This Make Sense? or Talking Writing, she can be found hiking with her two dogs, hanging out with her two daughters, eating what her beloved Rob has cooked for her, or teaching creative writing at a small college in the area.

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NOVEMBER 16, 2009 8:29AM

Will Female Viagra Change The Way We Look at Women?

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The Guardian reports that a new drug, originally tested as an antidepressant, has been shown to increase sexual desire in women.

Women who took the drug during the six-month trial reported more satisfying sexual encounters and higher libidos than those who were given a placebo.

Doctors involved in the study said the drug may prove to be an effective treatment for low libido, a problem they estimate affects between 9% and 26% of women, depending on their age and whether they have been through the menopause

The drug is  flibanserin, and was tested in Germany as an antidepressant. Turns out, it was a lousy cure for depression, but women taking it reported a wonderful side-efffect: an increase in sexual desire. 

 The new drugs raises several questions for me.

1. How quickly will it be approved by the U.S. FDA? 

2. Will insurance companies pay for this drug the same way they currently pay for male ED treatments? 

But I have other questions, too. If both men and women go through periods of diminished sexual desire, (assuming that this is not a permanent condition), then can't the decrease in sexual desire be seen as a natural rhythm in the life cycle? Are there times when nature simply doesn't want us to have sex? 

My most important question is this, however. We already have a horrible time in this culture accepting that women have sexual desires. We still categorize women by either the "girls-gone-wild" hook-up culture or the "Purity ring-wearing not-until-I'm-married" group. We think we've made progress on this, but evidence suggests otherwise. How quickly are women condemned for deviations from the sexual norm? How quick are we to label sexually active teens girls as somehow wrong in what they're doing (even if they are being responsible and using birth control). 

And what about the ultimate form of punishment: The withholding of contraceptive knowledge from sexually -active women as a form of social control. We insist on teaching abstinence-only education, try to limit young women's access to contraceptives, and make it a crime to transport a woman under 18 across state lines to get an abortion. Given that there are few states left where one can get an abortion, we've de facto made it illegal to help young women get abortions unless it's their parents who are directly involved. (And how come these same people who believe that these young women are too young to make the decision to have an abortion are therefore old enough to make the decision to bear a child?)

The same problems faced by young women are also faced by those women who do not have the financial means to travel interstate, or who do not have the money to pay for this medical procedure. And, if they do have the money to pay for the medical procedure, how much shit will they have to endure to get into see an ob-gyn who still performs abortions? 

My point is that, once again, our culture will send mixed messages to women. Now, those whose libidos are going through a temporary cool phase will be told to get with the program and take a drug. Those who want to heighten their desire and take advantage of the drug will be seen as "loose" women for wanting to enjoy sex. And, while insurance companies may pay for women to have sex, they won't pay for the consequences of sex. 

What a mad world we live in. 

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I'm sure that smarter people that myself will give you plenty of answers to the political implications of female Viagra, but I'm just pleased it's being developed at all. Now we women can start saying, "I don't NEED it, it's just for recreational use!"


(thumbified for purity rings gone wild)
I know. Can you imagine? A recreational sex drug for women? Giddy-up!
Mad is right. How many people actually live on the edges of categories? Not many of us, I don't think. Isn't there a middle ground between the madonna and the whore where, like, real people live? Sheesh.
Lesbians are going to go WILD on this!!!
"Will insurance companies pay for this drug the same way they currently pay for male ED treatments? "

I'll bet you anything that the answer will be "no". It will be seen as unnecessary because, after all, a woman doesn't have to want to have sex to have sex, right?

I'm also wondering if there would be pharmacists who would refuse to fill a prescription for this drug for unmarried women.
I welcome a world where women are acknowledged to enjoy sex throughout their lifetime, just as the Banjo Viagra men are. Why shouldn't we avail ourselves of a drug to help us if we like? That Pharma is finally recognizing women as sexual beings besides birth control is awesome. R
Frank--I wish that things were as multi-hued as both you and I think they are. But the things I read, the things I hear on the radio, and the conversations I have lead me to believe that a lot of women are still uncomfortable with not only their own sexual beings, but other women's sexuality, too.
Z-hot dog! or no hot dog as the case may be.
Jeanette--what a damn good question. Will you have to provide proof of marriage to get the drug from some pharmacists? Will they be able to opt out, the way they can opt out on Emergency Contraception?
rita--yes. Pharma recognizes us as sexual beings, finally, because I think they've realized there might be a market for it.
I loathe those smarmy, coy Viagra and Cialis commercials. If this product ever does come on the market, I hope the marketing is aimed at people with more than double-digit IQs.

What am I saying? Of course it'll HAVE to be intelligent -- it'll be aimed at women.
Mixed messages indeed. "Don't have sex - sex is bad." "What, you went against our wishes and had sex - deal with it and not with an abortion." "Don't want to have sex? Take this pill." Ugh.

My guess? I won't be covered. Why would it - it's clearly for sluts. They'll probably want an abortion afterward, right?
I so agree with you on this.
Very interesting...although I wonder what some of the other side effects are...
Just strikes me as fitting that, with all of the world's research capability, we're still only making progress for women's sexuality issues when we accidentally stumble across them. What we know about women's sexuality could fit in a thimble - but by now, doesn't it seem pretty obvious that applying a "male approach" to improving libido (physical enhancements like Viagra) isn't the answer? Research keeps pointing to the brain, but researchers keep pointing elsewhere...
I don't see too many guys weighing in on this topic yet (hi Frank), and I'm not surprised. No pressure or anything, but men are sposta "want it" all the time, right? And men who "want it" all the time are supposed to be in great demand by all the sex-starved women out there, aren't they? Well that's what you'd assume after watching the Banjo Viagra and Cialis commercials, anyway.

But wait. I just realized that the Viagra commercials have taught me that women "want it" all the time too!

Yes, I now know that everyone wants it, all the time. It it it. The more of It, the better. No more too tired, no more too busy, no more too stressed, no more I've-got-a-headache. Any time, any place, you betcha. Want it, want it, want it. If we were all Freaky Trolls we'd be talking about cake but we're people, not Freakies, and what we want is IT.

But ... what if we don't? In fact, what if there are people out there who would have preferred that the money that will be spent to approve, advertise, and dispense Female Viagra might have been spent on, oh I don't know, cancer research, improved day care accessibility for poor working moms, college scholarships for the children of the working poor (if they're lucky enough to still be working in this economy, that is), bailouts for Wall Street bankers, or other Worthwhile Stuff?

.... Naaaaw. It. It, it, and more it. That's what it's all about.
I guess I think the world is gray, FLW. The mixed messages represent reality. I'm not sure I see this new drug as a problem. There will be contradictory reactions to it, sure, but how is that different than the the reception to any new drug, like pharmaceutical therapy for obesity or impulsivity (ahdd) or high cholesterol?
I'm not sure I see the new drug as a problem, either, but I do think, lainey, that it will wind up creating controversy. We continue to be uncomfortable talking about female sexuality.
And freethinker--I agree with you. I made the point in the blog when I wrote that perhaps, periods of low libido are a normal part of the cycle of life.
One night, after seeing a Cialis, Viagra, and Levitra ad within 15 minutes of each other, my then-15 year old asked me if "people your age are capable of having sex without pills." You watch the commercials, you would believe that any man over 40 cannot get an erection w/o drugs. Which most of us know is untrue.
But, in answer to your question, this was one of those accidental discoveries. It was intended as a treatment for depression, and what they found was that women did not want to give the drugs back because of the pleasant side effects, even though the drugs had been ineffective in treating depression.
We might argue about the value of treating mental illness over physical illness, but I do believe in parity.
I don't doubt for an instant that you've hit it on the nose, FLW. Very, very highly rated.
May cause liver damage, constipation, loss of eyesight, depression, suicidal thoughts, loss of kidney function, death...
I can just hear that rapid voice at the end of the commercial.
R
Spot on:

"And what about the ultimate form of punishment: The withholding of contraceptive knowledge from sexually-active women as a form of social control."

Human society is a seething mass of cultural contradictions, and this is but the latest. Though if flibanseran catches on, I bet the margin on it will be much more attractive than boring old contraceptive pills. Rated.
we're still only making progress for women's sexuality issues when we accidentally stumble across them.

I agree with the essence of your statement, but for what it's worth, Viagra was an accidental discovery as well.
it is easy to imagine a scenario in which such a drug would be covered.

'frigidity' has long been thought of as a physiological condition that some women have, sort of like a disease or disorder. it needn't be marketed as a recreational drug or as an enhancement, but as a medication for a neurological disorder.
Hmmm. . . how quickly WILL it be approved by the FDA? And is there a pill in the works that will force children under the age of 18 to fall asleep by 8pm?
As long as one of the side effects is the compulsive gambling, sign me up. I could use a new pill in my cocktail.
And what, pray tell, would be the female equivalent of the four-hour erection?
Ah, but Surly, would you still be surly if you were on this new drug. :)
I thought this would make a great post when I heard this announcement. You've done a brilliant job!
Thank you, HB, I'm honored.
Karin, I can picture it now: a couple who have both taken their pills, suddenly dealing with kids who won't go to sleep.
Boanerges--I don't get the Viagra ads. Are they celebrating the pill? Women? Sex? Or boners?
Side effects--John and spotted--I wonder, too.
well, what--I should have mentioned that.
ramesh--I don't know if Viagra is shown to have a placebo effect. And I'm not accepting that women are seen as slaves in this culture, I observe that, in certain situations, women are clearly regarded as unequal, just as there are gender stereotypes about men that are also insulting and degrading.
I thought this would be a screwed-up post. Instead you made it a treat. Thank You! I believe there are a lot of men running for the hills from this drug. They have a hard enough time keeping up now. Us old codgers might go AWOL!!
R!
wow, horny and still depressed - that's quite a pill.
Noah was watching a wifetime network movie on the teevee last night about a promiscuous teen who bravely defended herself as the victim of a rape (Wonder Woman played her mom). The school counselor told her that she wanted lotsa sex cause she had low self-esteem and she went to group therapy and was cured.
scanner,
a lot of times, I just can't figure things out. I'd say "wtf?" but I think that IS the question.
noah-yes. low self-esteem is another way of saying "she was asking for it." sigh.
I can't wait for the TV commercials. And for the rabid right to boycott said commercials.
I like the two-in-one use. But if it makes me more interested in having sex but I"m still not having sex, won't I still be depressed about not having sex?
Nikki-
One of the symptoms of depression is a lack of interest in sex. So, it's interesting that they know that the drug did not work to cure the depression, although it treated one of the symptoms. So, what would have made it a successful antidepressant?
And OES--I'm wondering which networks will advertise it. It seems that no one turns down a Viagra commercial, but it'll be interesting to see who picks this one up.
Once again, someone feels they know better than Mother Nature!
I'm betting only men will be able to purchase it. :)
Agreed on all levels. I am a huge supporter of sex education, free condoms, free birth control, and safe health clinics where women can get what they need.

I'm also in support of "assistence" so women can have a healthy and satisfying sex life. My problem is with prescription medication. I don't trust it. The side effects often outway the positive results. I've found other things that help when daily stress inhibits the libido. There are natural things a women can do/take to help.

:)
I was just reading this morning that populations that preach abstinence only and "purity" have significantly higher rates of not only pregnancy, but STDs - chlamydia and the like - and only black prostestant girls have sex at an earlier age... and it's not that much earlier.
@ Blumenthal:

" If the longing persists for more than four hours, please contact your physician after updating your Facebook page".
"If both men and women go through periods of diminished sexual desire, (assuming that this is not a permanent condition), then can't the decrease in sexual desire be seen as a natural rhythm in the life cycle? Are there times when nature simply doesn't want us to have sex?"

My thoughts exactly!! Granted, no one wants to feel a diminished mojo, but in just popping a pill to cure it, a woman (or man) might not dig deeper to discover the source of the lull at the expense of her very health!

There may be relationship issues with her partner or something out of whack hormonally. Or the other issues in her life might actually require her sex drive to go dormant for awhile, like illness in herself or a family member, or the energy needed to find a new job.

Pills, pills and more pills. Yikes.
I'm sure if the pharmaceutical companies can capitalize on the drug, they will figure a way of pushing this drug to everyone's satisfaction...
thank goddess finally! those of us on SSRI antidepressants won't have to permanently live with low libido and just suck it up as a side effect of the meds that keep us (fairly) functional. Although, since I'm doing a med switch to Tricyclics next month, I wonder if that won't fix things partially in my case. I'm ok with being at low sexual ebb, but med induced low libido does not ebb and flow, it's a steady state. It's hard to keep a long term relationship alive when the world around you is filled with sexual imagery and you and your spouse do not have sex. I'm sure that reality is going to be even more fun while dating. "oh hi stranger, why sure climb on me and sweat some, i'll be playing Dragon Age in my mind and trying to ignore the fact that it feels like you are ripping my insides out. Not to mention the psychological guilt and shame of not enjoying something you should, and the double whammy of having to fake enjoyment to seem 'normal'."
"'frigidity' has long been thought of as a physiological condition that some women have, sort of like a disease or disorder."

Yup, and its genesis is twofold:

Lousy lover
Excuse used by husband to get some on the side
I think health plans will cover this because the people who decide what's covered are mostly men and men would love the idea of a pill women could take that would make them hornier. They'll probably even sell his-and-hers combo packs of Flibanserin and Viagra, like matching shampoo and conditioner.