Folkmuse

Folkmuse
Location
Center of the Gold Country, California,
Birthday
June 24
Title
Curmudgeon
Bio
I suppose you could say I am just one who never was able to do all he wished he could do in a lifetime. I could never be interested in just one thing, but all things. I suppose it is these twilight years where the dawn is coming closer that I occasionally sit down and write a few of my thoughts. Some stay with me, never seen by others and some I post for the world to see. They are varied subjects, for which my mind will focus on for that time. So for now, allow me to indulge.

DECEMBER 19, 2008 4:36PM

Common Music for Uncommon People, A Talk about Folk

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I suppose the interest in acquainting others with this community which Cindy and I have come to love so much began to the surface with this post I wrote of Odetta’s passing:

Since then I had given some thought as to writing a single posting on this community but that is truly impossible, so it will be like Monte and his Motorcycle Chronicles, an ongoing series. Monte has been encouraging me to write about this subject that is so much a part of our life and I have to thank Monte for his support.

I don’t even pretend to know it all or for that matter much at all regarding Folk Music, Folk Lore or Folk Dance. It has evolved with each generation, in each geographical region and each culture since the beginning of mankind.  Thus I hope all of you will bear with me as I work through this and I hope I will inspires some of you to look into this community, this family populated by those who are bonded by Music and Folklore and for some, Dance.

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Folk is the largest single genre of music. It includes the foundation of all music. It is international and timeless. Arguments on just what defines folk music often end more in confusion as to just what is Folk Music.  To begin with, every music genres roots are in folk.

I am not going to define folk many much more knowledgeable than I have argued this endlessly with no resolution.. Other genres of music such as Rock, Jazz, Classical or Country seem to be clearly defined in most people’s mind. Folk is not so much so. 

Now before you continue to read the rest of what I am to write I suggest you listen to Joe Craven at the Oregon Country Fair. Joe has mentioned that Folk Music is not so much a genre as it is a process.

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I will have to admit this road I will write of is very windy as this is what Folk Music is all about. There are no straight roads to anywhere within the Folk Community. It meanders everywhere and has many forks. Often these forks come together at some point and you find yourself on a new road with new experiences with new people. A road never just comes to a dead end, there is always another road leading away from what may appear as dead end and then onto more experiences.

For us in the US, Folk Music has been Peter Paul and Mary, Joan Baez Kingston Trio or similar artists and perhaps Appalachian mountain music.  Of course this is a part of folk, some of what you will meet on the roads you would travel. But that is a road most people have been over and we will look at some of the others.

I guess here I should begin with our own culture of Folk in the US and perhaps later I can go down that some of those other roads, and eventually to the rest of the world.

 

Last year I was moderating a workshop at the FAR-West Regional Folk Alliance Conference in Vancouver Washington. The workshops title “Getting in Touch With the Roots” One of the panelist spoke of how presently we have forgotten that in the Mid 1800’s the majority of those in the US were illiterate and that history was passed down orally, through storytelling and song.  Each singer would add his own touch to what he sung, perhaps a different lyric or set of lyrics, a different arrangement but none the less a story or tall tale within the song or in the case of a story teller a version of that storytellers own making.

Music was meant to be shared and more often than not sung as well as played together.  Many songs were generations old and had changed over time, often where they may no longer resemble the original rendition. The music was a living thing.

Rosalie Sorrels, one of the other panelists who I will write more of later, mentioned that one such song is “The Unfortunate Rake” which roots are over 1,500 years old.  The history of the song could easily take an entire long chapter in a book on Folk Music alone. Over the more recent period of time, 200 years, it has been heard as “The Bad Girls Lament”, “The Soldier Cut Down in His Prime”, The Young Sailer Cut Down in His Prime", “Gamblers Blues”, “A Sun Valley Song” and perhaps best known as the blues song first popularized by Cab Callaway, “Saint James Infirmary”  and even later Marty Robbins, “Streets of Laredo”.  Here we have an example of a song that has been a traditional British Isle Folk Song, becoming a Mountain Music Folk Song, a Blues standard and a Country song.  This is the Folk Process and I will write of that later as well.

In the 1800’s the Minstrel Shows with all black minstrel bands were popular. The music of Slaves had inspired American Folk Music even into the City’s and the Appalachians. From that influence came America’s first published popular songwriter, Steven Foster. Many of his songs are still sung today and one I have heard often attributed to Dylan as it sounds as if he could have written it, “Hard Times”.

Steven Foster over the next 150 years leaves a huge shadow of influence over contemporary music. His influence is so imbedded that many are not aware of just how large this shadow is cast.

There were far more who would never receive recognition except in their local communities. In Folk Music much of it was not considered important enough to reach the halls of academia until the 20th century and much of the Folk Process did not mean transcribed music and this was before recordings.

Next, we take another road, not sure which nor where we will go but pack your lunch, we may purposely get lost, a good thing if you are chasing down this “Common Music for Uncommon People” road.

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There is so much history in music. So many roots. So many stories. So much great music. Thanks for sharing. :)
mama,
This as I mention is the beginning of the ride down the road. I think I might ask Monte if he has a spare bike that we can all hope on. Of course there is never an end to these roads so we will always be walking down one or another
I am so impressed with your expertise! It will be good to get this all down, for the record. Keep on writing.
Lea,
It is not my expertise, it others I know that I listen to. They know far more than I. You might say I am and will always be a student.

I came back into Folk Music in the early 90's after nearly 30 years of being away from it and found that it was having an underground resurgence. Since that time that resurgence has grown.

I mentioned Rosalie Sorrels, Utah Phillips once said, her mind is like an attic with so much in it you can't find it all.
Great post, and the "Fear no Art" video is inspiring. It's fascinating - the twists and turns and interconnectedness of folk music, and how each generation takes the songs and makes them their own, as you point out with "The Unfortunate Rake". You mentioned how folk music was used to pass down oral history and as a form of storytelling. It makes me think about how our lives today are sorely lacking that kind of intimacy with music and stories (probably why many of us are drawn to OS). I know that most people prior to recorded music and radio were making their own music - singing primarily as they went about their day, regardless of actual musical ability. Workers sang together to lift their spirits on the job. Today nobody will sing without the karaoke machine. I'm curious where folk music will evolve now that the majority of "folk" are not making music. I love that you have taken on this ambitious project, and am looking forward to following wherever the music leads you!
Dustbowldiva,
Joe Craven is a Staff member of the Acoustic Music Camp Cindy and began a couple of years ago. He is one of the best multi-instrumentalist in the US. His workshops at festivals are something not to miss.

As for Folk, well it is making a comeback as we see so many now returning to it. As you will read there are are some who made it big in the Rock world as well as Country who are now returning to their roots.
Muse: I am so proud of you. This is an excellent start and using Joe Craven's clip is exactly the right starting place, the one you were searching for. Keep up the good work. Don't dare stop now. The flow is coming and you can feel it. Nike, God hate 'em, had something right: JUST DO IT!

Kudos!

Monte
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Folkmuse,
I am glad to see these. My hubbie studied Folklore at MUN in ST Johns, NFLD. I am from the mountains of Georgia. I love all things folk. I really miss the music of the visiting musicians from Europe as well as north America. I did not take Folklore, I was in the Geology dept. But I do know folk music. It is truly wonderful. I do know oral tradition. I collect folk stories. I do love storytelling.
Preach on, tell us the stories. I am sold.
peace my friend
Suzy
Folkmuse, thanks for this series. Anyone who knows me knows how I feel about music. ANY music that moves a group of people. This is valuable information for the masses. I've attempted to do the same with Jazz.


Thank you for this.
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Greg
Now we're talking. Or should I say singing. Good introduction, FolkMuse. I'm glad you're under way -- and please keep it up.

One of my earliest introduction to Folk was Pete Seeger, of whom Harry Chapin once wrote "He's the man with the banjo and the 12-string guitar/Singing us the songs that tell us who we are". That couplet pretty much sums up the genre and what the music does for me, anyway.

Speaking of Seeger (I promise to shut up in a moment), the interconnections in music are amazing. His half-sister Peggy was married to the legendary Ewan MacColl, whose daughter Kirsty from another relationship was a great voice in her own right, famously singing backup vocals with Shane MacGowan of the Pogues on "Fairytale of New York". The torch keeps getting passed.
My first career was as a folk singer. I lived in the Appalachians and loved how people would just gather on street corners to play.

Keep posting!
Monte,
As I mentioned your Motorcycle Chronicles helped in some of my other post in reminding me of parts of my past, just as you mentioned when you began to write those cobwebs we have in our attic are suddenly swept aside and we begin finding treasures. I can’t thank you enough for the support and prodding to have me start this.

Suzie,
Your husband was interested enough to actually take courses in Folk Lore, another soul mate. Of course my education is coming from those who are from Academia as well as those who live the life of a Folk musician. The East Coast of Canada is rich in folk. Alastair Fraser, perhaps the best Scottish Fiddler alive today said if you want to hear true Scottish fiddling don’t go to Scotland, go to Cape Britton, Nova Scotia.

You might be surprised to read this. A few years back a survey was done by a list where Bluegrass and Folk DJ post their playlist and discuss music, FOLK-DJ, as to the occupations of those who were active broadcasters. Geologist was the number one occupation of those who responded.

As you collect stories, are you familiar with Donald Davis or Sheila Kay Adams? Two of the best storytellers anywhere.

Greg,
I suppose what I like about folk is like Jazz it is innovative and constantly evolving. I worked in a Jazz Club in 1963 and have a great deal of appreciation for Jazz. I began to broadcast as a Jazz DJ at the community station KVMR but found that those who were Jazz broadcasters not only forgot more than I knew but had collections that dwarfed mine. Think of 10-20,000 LP’s and CD’s. I ended up in Folk as the need for a Folk Broadcaster. It was then I began that steep learning curve that will never end.

Boanerges,
I will be writing of Pete and his family, his father was considered the one who defined “ethnomusicologist” as an academic field. He and others developed the UCLA folklore program which has the largest collection of Folklore in the world. All of the Seeger children are heavy weights in the folk community.

Voicegal,
Folk singer for a career? As Utah Phillips said once, “how do you make a million dollars in Folk Music, start with two million first”. Or another friend of mine who works as a carpenter but is one of the best sing/songwriters out there, “if you become really successful in folk music you can make literally hundreds of dollars”
Sounds like you have a lot to share. Welcome to Open Salon.
Folkmuse, I am back again resting from holiday cleaning. Breaktime!!
I am back reading this post again and the comments.
I left Newfoundland in 1996. I moved back to Georgia in my hometown. I do remember the names you mentioned of the CVape Breton folks. As I lived in St Johns only a 10 minute walk from the downtown of St Johns (where the bars were) and 10 from the university ( academia), I met and partied with some of the finest East Coast folk musicians anywhere. There is nothing like a thick dark stout and good music live every day. Never mind the seminars, folklore students from so many cultures and countries,
Believe me it was a heady mix.
You have made a friend here. I am a fan of all things folk, from music to yard art.
The oral history is my personal bag. I love the weave of life in the fabric. It touches us all.
I do remember hearing the stats on Geogologists once.
When I interned in Labrabor some 100 miles south of the Arctic circle, I listened to folk in the floatplane going there and returning.
I still miss that.
This is an important piece, since it highlights what I find to be the most important fact about music: it connects us through our collective yearning for expression - another form of self-preservation.

Music is art, and art is the wothiest, but least exalted form of living.
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