Folkmuse

Folkmuse
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I suppose you could say I am just one who never was able to do all he wished he could do in a lifetime. I could never be interested in just one thing, but all things. I suppose it is these twilight years where the dawn is coming closer that I occasionally sit down and write a few of my thoughts. Some stay with me, never seen by others and some I post for the world to see. They are varied subjects, for which my mind will focus on for that time. So for now, allow me to indulge.

JANUARY 30, 2009 3:03PM

This Land is Your Land. A history, the origins of the song

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There have been questions from several people regarding the “Trespass Verse” Pete Seeger sung during the Inaugural Concert. Many had not heard it before which was surprising to me.  This began an email exchange with several on the history of the song.

 

 

 This first email here was sent to me by someone did some quick research on the "trespassing” verse and how it became left out for many years.

The second was from Spook Handy, a younger folk singer who knows Pete.

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This Land Is Your Land" was partly a response to "God Bless America".  In the earliest manuscript of the lyrics, each verse ends with "God blessed America for me" instead of "this land is made for you and me."

The verse in question appears in that manuscript as: Was a high wall there that tried to stop me A sign was painted said: Private Property, But on the back side it didn't say nothing -- God blessed America for me.

According to a Wikipedia contributor, an early recording includes this verse, with the last like changed to "That side was made for you and me." But the specific recording that allegedly has the "private property" verse is described on the Woody Guthrie website as "This Land Is Your Land (with "No Trespassing" verse)," and the verse is set out like this:

As I went walking I saw a sign there
And on the sign it said "No Trespassing."
But on the other side it didn't say nothing,

That side was made for you and me.

The Arlo Guthrie website gives the verse almost the same:

As I was walkin'  -  I saw a sign there
And that sign said - no tress passin'
But on the other side  .... it didn't say nothin!
Now that side was made for you and me!

My guess is that the "private property" words were earlier, but were changed to "no trespassing" shortly after that, when he changed the end of eachverse from "god blessed America for me" to "this land was made for you and me."

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A very short time later I received this email from Spook Handy:

According to Pete Seeger, the original version of this verse is:

     Was a big high wall there that tried to stop me
     A sign was painted said: Private Property
     But on the back side it didn't say nothing
     God blessed America for me.

This was written on Feb 23, 1940 in "NY, NY, NY"

When Pete sang the song in DC, he sang the words slightly differently.  He also sang the verse about the hungry people a little differently.  The original version of that verse is (according to Pete):

     One bright sunny morning in the shadow of the steeple
     by the relief office I saw my people
     As they stood there hungry I stood there wondering if
     God blessed America for me.

It is interesting to note a very powerful process of songwriting that happened to this song.  The song was originally six verses with no chorus.  The first verse was:

     This land is your land, this land is my land
     From California to Staten Island
     From the Redwood Forest, to the gulf stream waters
     God blessed America for me.

Three important changes were made that I believe allowed the song to become a sort of alternative national anthem.  1.  Refrain - God blessed America for me - would make the song too controversial.  It would have been a song of self expression but one that didn't serve the people because the ones who really needed to hear it would be turned off by that God blessed America for me which stands in the face of the patriotic song God Bless America. 

This is my opinion and I may be wrong.  But it is possible that this song would be well known only among lefties and their offspring if these words were not changed to the more universal and less in-your-face This land was made for you and me.  People like me would never have hear the song or discovered the power and the real message behind the song - being that I was brought up in a conservative household.  I'd have probably voted for John McCain if those words were never changed.  Or George would be on his turn illegitimate term.  Who's to say?

2.  Staten Island - being an obscure geographical reference - was changed to the more universally known New York Island.

3.  Being that the first verse captures the most universal description of the refrain, it became the chorus.  All the other verses are great but they are more specific and not as good candidates for being a chorus.

You can see this process at work in Pete Seeger's Turn Turn Turn.  He took a psalm out of the Bible, and made the first few lines into a chorus that repeats four times.  The rest of the words - after being changed around a little to make them more lyrical - became the four verses.  But Pete took it one step further.  He added the words, Turn Turn Turn.  I don't believe the word Turn is in the psalm.  But now, not only is there a very memorable chorus that repeats four times.  There is now the word Turn that repeats 24 times in the song.

This is the story as best as I can relate it straight from Pete's mouth. 

Spook Handy
New Brunswick, NJ 08901
www.spookhandy.com
www.myspace.com/spookhandy

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So cool, Folkmuse!
Enjoy knowing about this song--one of my all time favorites. Seeger is a smart man.
Would you do this for Hey, Buddy can you spare a dime? I heard an NPR thing about it and the song is quite complex.
My FIl named my husband Al from that song.
What a great post. Loved the video (I didn't see the concert.) I wish we could liberate the verse from "America the Beautiful" that talks about not misusing all our bounty and power.
FM: Once again you capture the need when it is just thrown out there with a big question mark on it. Thanks. I had no idea of the evolution of either the verse or the whole main theme morphing from "God blessed America for me." I agree with Mr. Handy that that line would be a hard sell for conservatives, but maybe also for many people who would hear it as narcissistic.

Good post.

Monte
Actually the discussion was on the song lyrics. Yes Woody wrote it but the melody he did not. It was a pretty common melody and some say it was from a Carter tune, in fact that has been mentioned by the Guthrie’s .

It is as Pete Seeger calls it, “the folk process”
One must remember Woody wrote over 2000 songs and they are still finding them, many without music to them, only lyrics.
Loved this, Folkmuse - thank you. I am always fascinated by the process of songwriting, and had no idea the original refrain was so different - it changes the tone of the song considerably. Interesting how the verses shifted around as well, and especially happy to see the clip from the inaugural concert.
(And Jane - that story about your son is awesome. Zero tolerance = zero sense most of the time.)
You wrote about two of my favorite songs. The evolution of This Land was fascinating to me. Here is the exact Bible verse to Turn, Turn by the Byrds..
To everything there is a season,
a time for every purpose under the sun.
A time to be born and a time to die;
a time to plant and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
a time to kill and a time to heal ...
a time to weep and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn and a time to dance ...
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing;
a time to lose and a time to seek;
a time to rend and a time to sew;
a time to keep silent and a time to speak;
a time to love and a time to hate;
a time for war and a time for peace.
ecclesiastes 3:1-8
The Turn, Turn, Turn, Turn addition was genius.
Thanks for sharing your incredible knowledge and your obvious love with music. You are my music resource here.
Thank you Folkmuse! In the 1970's and 80's I used to sing this song to my children and I recently heard my grandson singing it to himself and when I asked him about it he said "Mama sings it in the car, it's from the Olden Days" !
Thank you, Folkmuse, both for the entertaining post, and the video. As I only heard the concert on the radio, this inspires me to look up the rest of it on the internet.

Ah lyrics. . . as a song writer myself, I can tell you, a song is never finished.
Please continue to write about Pete Seeger. I feel so fortunate to have been able to see that man sing in person 8 years ago.
Intereting post, folkmuse. I first read the many lines to this song in Upton Sinclairs book 'A Cry for Justice'. I read that he wrote it while hitch-hiking accross Pennsylvania looking for work. Sinclair spoke of the fact the song was banned from being played, and how today it is sung by Boy Scouts.

You can post about these songwriters forever and I will read and rate everyone of them. I do love the folk.
Geez, your writing is good. Thanks so much for this post.
Nice good stuff, Folkmuse. My son let me borrow some of John Pitney's music:` Song foe Northern Plains. The Earth is the Lords, Get Down and Dirty, If You want Your Neighbors Land,
... a farm child song:`Does God love Uncle Cargill?
Land Land Land. Wild Willie's Mustard (I love that!),
Let Justice Roll down like a River, Don't Turn Back.
`
The songs are chirpy. Children enjoy, and You Folkmuse may be familiar him?
All the lyrics are great. *A HOME LIKE THIS* compact disc.
This is a great song, one of the greatest no doubt. Jill Sobule sings a nice rendition of This Land is Your Land, including the No Trespassing verse. Hers is my favorite version. More of a pop singer, Sobule is actually better at folk, in my opinion.

Off-topic but essential: Sobule's song I Kissed A Girl (she now calls her song "I Kissed A Girl (Classic)") is magnifique!
Fascinating. Reminds me that in the 90s when I lived in Santa Fe, I heard a Native American activist version. All that I remember of it now is that the chorus went something like:
This land is your land, this land is my land,
From California to New York Island ...
[etc. to the final line:]
This land WAS STOLEN FROM you and me.

Do you know anything more about that version? At one point I had it in print and it was at least a page long. I wonder of Seeger and Springstein have seen it.
I love Pete Seeger. Thanks for the education.
Fascinating stuff! This music means even more now that I know some of the history. Thank you.
Really fun stuff. You've inspired me to get out my old Martin "New Yorker" out that I bought in 1960!!! I've forwarded the URL of your blog to friends.