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APRIL 25, 2009 3:55PM

Fear, loathing and torture in America

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 According to the experts on interrogation techniques within our own armed forces and of those in our sister countries, torture is clearly the most inefficient method to gather accurate and valuable information from an adversary. 

 This is the net product of years of study and review of the diverse methods of gathering information by the world’s foremost intelligence agencies – it is also plain common sense; a person is more likely to open up to a friend than to open up to an enemy - a person under torture will say anything that he believes the torturer wants to hear in order to stop the pain. After being subjected to torture the prisoner will never trust the torturer, the possibility of gathering accurate and useful information through any other means vanishes forever. When our leaders under the Bush administration decided to use torture they were clearly advised by our armed forces that:

1 – Torture is illegal under our own domestic laws and under international laws

2 – Torture does not produce trustworthy nor accurate information.

3 – Torturing others opens up the right for our enemies to justify torture upon our own citizens and soldiers.

4 – Torture demoralizes and negatively affects both the torturer and the tortured. 

However despite the tremendous amount of evidence to the absurdity of the use of torture and its many negative effects, our leaders chose a needless and wanton departure from common sense, established custom and law; thusly we were led astray into this angry, dark and defiled path that has marred our country’s character and our very identity as Americans.  

How did this happen?   

In one word it happened because of fear. The people that rose to power with GW are a group of individuals that live in a world of fear. They are afraid, very afraid. 

They feared openness, they feared clarity - from the beginning they instituted an atmosphere of “Us VS Them” as they set about changing our traditionally open society into a two-tiered structure; on the outside were the multitude of ordinary Americans living their day to day lives, while on the inside there was a privileged, ideologically pure cadre, dwelling inside a “virtual” closed city much like the Beijing of old or like the Kremlin of the tsars and of the old USSR. Loyalty was demanded and expected, fear was the enforcer while political posts, assigment of profitable contracts and legislative goodies were the rewards. 

V.P. Cheney of course stands out as the architect and engineer of this new vision of American society, he showed his nature from the beggining, remember his secret meetings for crafting energy policy (we still do not know who exactly attended that fateful meeting) - and the rude F*ck you! He directed towards Senator Patrick Leahy, in response to his questioning his Halliburton connections on the floor of the U.S. Senate. 

Mr. Cheney has always displayed his fearful nature and hyper-sensitivity. This irrational fearfulness also explains his draft evasion and his pseudo-patriotism. His cronies who are mostly memebers of the "chicken hawk" club, see danger and enemies at every turn; “if you are not with us you are against us” is their battle cry. This also explains our isolation from the world during G.W.’s term in office and the abdication of long standing mutually beneficial international treaties.  

Indeed within the Republican party, this psychotic fear extends towards our very own system of governance and democratic principles – So many have bought in to the erroneous idea that it is cool and politically correct to fear and hate our own government (and therefore our constitution). To those who ascribe to the idea that our constitutionally established, democratically elected government is “the problem”, I have only one question to ask; what is it that you fear from a government “by the people and for the people”? What is it about our founding fathers and our constitution that causes such fear and loathing? 

The America I know and love does not fear, it is a country that is secure of itself and of its values. It has a government based on freedom, liberty and human rights.

 

If nothing is done to dispel the stain of torture on our country’s soul – if nothing is done to clarify our identity and reestablish our true American nature and spirit – if nothing is done to discourage future public officials from ruling by fear and loathing, then it is almost certain that we will again repeat this foul chapter in our future, and what if the next time the “Cheney” character is the President?    

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Great post. And welcome back! We've missed you.

In my post Is Democracy Dead? I raised the point, related to yours here, that there could theoretically be reasons to change our system of government away from rule by the people (I don't endorse such reasons just now, but as a theoretical matter, such reasons exist), but that since our present consensus process has led to government by the people, our leaders are expected to obey those rules until they formally change the system of government, not to secretly pretend they know the system of government has changed but not tell us. Democracy is a noble experiment; if it's failed, we need to know. If it hasn't, we need to play by the rules.

Also, in Election Stratego, I question whether in fact Cheney was president, in all material ways, and whether what saved us wasn't that he wasn't in power but that we had both well-defined terms of office and term limits keeping people from running again after that. Either way, though, you're right that it didn't run its full course, and we're lucky for that.
I hate to break it to you two (Francisco and Kent), but we do not have "government by the people" in this country, and never have. From the beginning (when only white male property owners could vote), we have had government by some of the people.

Originally, this was due to the overt disenfranchisement (or rather, nonenfranchisement) of non-whites and women. Starting in the mid-19th century and continuing until today, overt legal disenfranchisement of classes defined by race or gender has given way to a more subtle political disempowerment of classes defined by social status, i.e., workers, poor people, etc. But don't kid yourselves. Just because more people have the technical right to cast ballots in elections does not mean that the possession and exercise of real political power is not still reserved for the elite few.

I'm all in favor of real democracy. But I don't confuse it with the right of atomized, alienated, misinformed individuals to cast ballots in periodic elections, while having no real control over or even meaningful input into public policy decisions.
Excellent post, but the problem runs much deeper. Read Dennis Loo's posts here on OS or take a look at Paul Levinson's post:

http://open.salon.com/blog/paul_levinson/2009/04/22/the_deeper_issue_in_investigation_bush_admin_torture_policy

We have been hitting the snooze alarm for way too long. Maybe what we are really afraid of is to wake up. Talk about change.
Francisco: Thanks for posting this.
Yes. Thank You. Former Dick Cheney reminds me of Fallstaff. He waddle about and the slippery lard would drip from his nasty behind.
If Bush etc., were still around town he become a dog-breeder and his Pa would call his son a 'surgeon' ... or a dog-vet seeking emotional therapy. huh. Dick C. needs to take up a class of Tae Kwon Do? Pro-war-lie critters need to spend a Life and a day locked up. They are danger to themselves, a better world, a universe, and locked-up behind bars .... ponder wisdom, prudence ... Take up moonshine hobbies or something ...

Stay in a jail cell caged prison.
They can make the home brew.
Make good gin drink in bathtub.