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Award winning journalist Gary Baumgarten hosts the News Talk Online show on Paltalk.com. He asks critical questions, and invites people from all around the world to talk directly to his newsmaker guests using Paltalk's voice over IP technology. Gary came to Paltalk as director of news and programming from CNN where he was the radio bureau chief and correspondent in New York for a decade, where he covered, among other things, the 9/11 attacks in New York and Hurricane Katrina. He was previously reporter and assistant news director at CBS all news radio station WWJ in Detroit. Prior to that he was managing editor at Detroit Radio News Service and a reporter for the Jackson (MI) Citizen-Patriot, the Detroit News and a number of weekly newspapers. Paltalk is the largest multimedia interactive program on the Internet with more than 4 million unique users. News Talk Online is also syndicated by CRN Digital Talk Radio to cable systems serving an additional 12 million households.

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OCTOBER 16, 2010 8:05PM

Where is the outrage?

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By GARY BAUMGARTEN

When George W. Bush was president there was such an outrage over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the treatment of prisoners held indefinitely at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility. But now that Barack Obama is commander-in-chief those voices are largely muted.


Obama promised change. But the change he promised hasn't come. And now those who supported the status quo when Bush was president are attacking Obama. And those who attacked Bush are silent when it comes to the current president.

This is the problem with partisan politics today. People who protest or support one position or another are often disingenuous. It's not really because they are for or against an issue. It's because their guy is or isn't in office making the decisions.

Many people who are so angry with Obama, or so silent since Bush left office, may not even realize that they are being played by one political party or the other.

The latest example of deafening silence from those who were so vocal over Gitmo is evident today. It was revealed this week that, for the third time, a federal judge hasupheld the indefinite holding without due process a detainee at Guantanamo. Had Bush been the one seeking and obtaining the ruling, there would be people marching in the streets. But now that Obama is president, there is only silence.

Likewise, there's been very little said about the massive numbers of deportations of illegal immigrants by the Obama administration. You'd think from the rhetoric that the current administration is opening the borders and inviting undocumented aliens in. People who posture this way long for the good old days of George W. Bush, who stood up to illegal aliens.

But the reality is that more people have been deported since Obama took office than were sent back home during the same time frame by the Bush administration.

Until we as a nation are willing to hold our representatives accountable - whether they are members of the parties we support or not - this kind of duplicity will continue.

If you were one of the 10s of thousands who marched against the wars and the erosion of civil rights when Bush was president, ask yourself why you've mothballed your protest signs now. If you're honest about how you answer yourself, I;m betting you'll admit that you've let your partisan leanings take precedence over principle.

Like dealing with addiction, admitting we have a problem is the first step. It's time for us to take it.

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Good points Gary, but most of the left would still vote to re-elect Obama, warts and all.

Also, Bush 43 wanted the latino vote so border enforcement was put on the back burner.
Obama is the biggest letdown since the "Friends" finale. We all expected something dramatic, something wonderful, something life-changing. What'd we get? THEY GOT BACK TOGETHER. That was it. That was it! But then I suppose one shouldn't expect too much from a bunch of dumb TV characters.

Same goes. Rated.
Partisan politics is a fancier term for people being imbeciles.

Why would adults feel the need to pick sides and stick with them no matter what?
I get loyalty to family or friends or even some sports team, but to some team democrat or team republican?

Always good to see someone exposing the truth of the matter.
When Obama was elected I managed to offend a number of American friends by stating flatly that in a few years many of those who supported him so strongly would feel betrayed when he didn't immediately grab every dime the rich have and redistribute it among the citizenry. He didn't and they do.

Let's look at this clearly. Obama has fulfilled or is in the process of fulfilling most of his pre-election promises. No president has ever been able to fulfill ALL of his pre-election promises, and this includes Obama.

This sharp disappointment many people feel is at THEIR OWN EXPECTATIONS not coming about with Obama in the White House. He has not lived up to THEIR hopes.

So if these people would step back and take a look at what Obama actually promised to try to do and separate it from what they hoped he would do, they'll find out why he seems such a "disappointment" to them. If you expect a mere man to walk on water, you are setting yourself up for disappointment, y'know?
It's kind of a reversal of the old "Who's ox is being gored" thing. He's their ox, so they're not going to gore him.
And we saw the same thing when sexual harassment charges (largely well founded probablky, agreed) were loudly proclaimed and pressed against Republican politicians and Conservatives such as Justice Clarence Thomas (unproven) and Senator Bob Packwood (forced to resign) but not so much against Democrats such as Bill Clinton and Senator S. I. Hayakawa of Hawaii both Democrats and both beset by accusations of women claiming to be victims.
Correction: Senator Inoue from Hawaii; not Senator Hayakawa, who was from California and to my knowledge never had such charges leveled against him.
If both parties offer incompetent choices the electoral system has failed.
@Jan,

And if the electorate is unable to determine the "incompetence" of the candidates, we have the same failure. Yet I know of no way to determine their level of competence when pretty much all of the information that I can obtain about them is derived from self-serving advertising.
Yes, but who can throw the first stone? What took 40 years to create can't possibly "fixed" in two.
Obama will have a record when his time comes to be re-elected. I find little if any encouragement in his actions. If someone of Palin's capability is his opponent that incompetence will be evident, whatever the propaganda. I see not much choice in that circumstance.
Obama might as well be a Republican, a "liberal" Republican, but a Republican none the less. Vote Green until the Democratic Party divorces itself from corporate America.
excellent analysis and I'm w Jan on this. r.
Criticizing Obama means the end of life as we know it because the Republicans will regain control and we'll all be doomed! (Now you see why believing in politics makes one a moron)
These are excellent points. I for one am deeply disappointed in Obama's actions with respect to gay rights. His DOJ appealing the ruling against DODT? Defending DOMA? Meh. Another politician. I can't say I'm shocked.
Excellent post! Yes, the silence is startling. But over the past several years I've come to the conclusion that many of the most politically active simply like the game, or the power, or both. Rather than actually do something that might make the world a better place, they pursue politics with self-interested glee.

Nor is Obama a total surprise or the huge disappointment some make him out to be. He did his fair share of war-mongering on the campaign trail, and now that has come home to roost.

Fact: Until the wars and overseas adventures have stopped, the nearly 1000 military bases outside our borders have been closed, you can forget progressive niceties like universal health care. (Yes, the country is going broke, with good reason. )

Even if war doesn't trouble you so much, it doesn't rate high on your list of liberal sensibilities, as a mere practical matter, for now you're better off voting for someone who is serious about dismantling the Empire (Ron Paul 2012, anyone?).
Recession. Unemployment. Foreclosures. I suspect the reason outrage is dimmed to invisiblity is that millions of Americans are deeply and understandably distracted right now from issues (however important) of human rights abuses because they're too damn scared of living in their cars or watching all their unemployed adult children stampede back home, if they even still have a home large enough to accommodate them.

Call it limousine liberalism. Now that too many people are driving Chevys (so to speak)or walking, principles be damned.
The majority of the public seems to respond to whatever the Mass Media tells them to respond to; they rarely do much if any research into the subjects that matter the most or look at things unless the crowd and the media is looking at it. There are still some people complaining about this but not nearly enough and they are not getting much if any response.

Well said!!
It didn't matter if it was Johnson or Nixon, the 60's anti-war movement just kept going... but I really think it was more of an anti-draft movement.
this is the price of serfdom. with one vote, you are entrusting a person to do the right thing [by you]. you must pick the person who is most likely to support your bank account. other issues are buried. consequently those other issues must be ignored, the normal human response to embarrassment combined with impotence.

if you want a government responsive to the will of the people, you must have democracy. elective oligarchy simply will not work.
Like I've said before, and I'm glad we are going to agree on this one, same politician, better suit.
you are so right - if you aren't outraged you aren't paying attention!
You make a good point Gary, but Americans never get to hear the real truth, and those who do summon the courage to speak out are consigned to history- Helen Thomas; Octavia Nasr and recently Rick Sanchez.

Yesterday CBC broadcast the Academy Award winning documentary "taxi to the dark side"; it will never be shown on any channel in America's "free and independent" media.

American media remains muzzled but the attack dogs at Bagram and Abu Ghraib and who knows how many other secret prisons are kept unmuzzled.

Media manipulation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kureFeGmoDI
so... the public is like a herd of well-trained, semi-intelligent cattle. and people wonder where the epidemic of BULLYing in this country is coming from. my answer, the Jungian Shadow.....Collectively....
I protested the beginning of Iraq and Afghanistan wars during Bush's presidency and daily I drive by the crosses on the hill near my house that numbers how many have died-5300 now I think. I wrote a post about why I'm so mad at Obama and the continuation of the wars was number one on the list. Yet, the response from most was that I had a short attention span and wasn't giving Obama his due because it's really congresses fault. Well, I don't buy it. Of course Obama is better than Bush, of course Obama had huge problems to contend with, of course the Republicans are horrible. Still, when's Obama going to come down on the side of the working people and against business/oil/banking/military interests? I agree with you. I want him to stand up for the American people and the suffering going on daily.
Gary, I actually agree with you. These are "legitimate" criticisms to me. Americans focus on the wrong thing and I don't frankly think they care what happens to people in Gitmo or illegal immigrants, it's as if they believe American laws are only for Americans. At least that's how they feel today.
HenryR: "sexual harassment charges (largely well founded probablky, agreed) were loudly proclaimed and pressed against Republican politicians and Conservatives such as Justice Clarence Thomas (unproven) and Senator Bob Packwood (forced to resign) but not so much against Democrats such as Bill Clinton"

What?? Am I the only one remembers the effing impeachment?
No, David, you aren't. But that was not for sexual harassment. It was for perjury, obstruction of justice and malfeasance in office. Some of that was related to the Paula Jones lawsuit, but not to the charges themselves. It instead was related to his conduct resultant from the trial, and not for his conduct with Ms. Jones.

In the case of Monica Lewinski, that was not sexual harassment. She was essentially chasing him.

And if you will recall, he was acquitted by the Senate. You can get the details here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton

Bill Clinton did not resign from office, as Bob Packwood was forced to do. Nor am I aware that any Democrats were calling for him to do so, nor were the National Organization of Women (NOW) calling for him to do so. Nor did they call for Senator Inoue's resignation, who had been accused of sexual harassment as Republican Senator Packwood had been. And if you will recall, I said that it was probably right that he was charged. But it was not right that it was strictly a partisan, political charge, not brought against Democrats likewise accused of the same sorts of misdeeds by the "morally outraged" group of screaming meemies with their endless litany of "He just doesn't get it!" as were arrayed against
Packwood. Let's be honest. Sexual harassment deserves it's just penalty. In ALL cases! Not just those serving the Democratic left's political agenda.
I agree, but I'd march in a minute to end the wars and restore the rule of law (habeas corpus, etc.) if only one of the organizations supposedly devoted to those causes would start organizing for actions on those issues. Maybe after the mid-term elections, regardless of the result, the pressure to support Obama will wane. If the Dems lose, the Left can always blame his and his party's moderation, lack of principle, corporate vassalage, etc. If the Dems somehow hold onto the House, the Right will seem less of a danger - so, again, no excuse not to ratchet up the pressure.

What's really the problem, though, is our own weakness. We need to cut the Democratic Party adrift. I don't know if a new Progressive Party is the answer; I'm more inclined to think a non-partisan movement not dependent on or catering to a political party might be a better approach.