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Award winning journalist Gary Baumgarten hosts the News Talk Online show on Paltalk.com. He asks critical questions, and invites people from all around the world to talk directly to his newsmaker guests using Paltalk's voice over IP technology. Gary came to Paltalk as director of news and programming from CNN where he was the radio bureau chief and correspondent in New York for a decade, where he covered, among other things, the 9/11 attacks in New York and Hurricane Katrina. He was previously reporter and assistant news director at CBS all news radio station WWJ in Detroit. Prior to that he was managing editor at Detroit Radio News Service and a reporter for the Jackson (MI) Citizen-Patriot, the Detroit News and a number of weekly newspapers. Paltalk is the largest multimedia interactive program on the Internet with more than 4 million unique users. News Talk Online is also syndicated by CRN Digital Talk Radio to cable systems serving an additional 12 million households.

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MARCH 22, 2011 8:59AM

Questions the Libyan invasion raises

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By GARY BAUMGARTEN

So now, President Obama has his own war, not one that he inherited. One that raises a lot of questions – and not just about Libya.

First, it appears that, unlike the Iraq invasion, this one actually is mandated by UN resolution. Though not everyone agrees.

The Arab League says the coalition is providing cover for rebel troops. So does, predictably, the Libyan government. Both argue that this exceeds the UN authorization – which primarily establishes an enforceable no-fly zone.

Yet, one would be hard-pressed to not see the justification in bombing military vehicles closing in on cities held by rebels. As the former Libyan ambassador to the United States said, the “cover” provided by U.S. and other warplanes saved thousands of Libyan lives.

Still, the Republican Party is miffed because the action took place with no congressional consultations or authorization.

The president is getting squeezed a bit from some in his own party as well. Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) argues the military action, absent congressional approval, is an impeachable offense.

Republicans are asking, too, about the end game. What exactly is the objective?

Is it merely to enforce a no-fly zone? Is it to assist the rebel troops on the ground? Is it to remove Libyan President Muammar Gaddafi from power?

If it is the later, and some of Obama’s comments suggest that it is, the U.S. has set itself up for the possibility of failure. One can declare that a mission to keep Gaddafi’s warplanes grounded has already succeeded. But only time will tell if Gaddafi ultimately survives. And if he does, then why did the U.S. get involved?

Of course, the United States government insists that Gaddafi isn’t the target – even though his presidential compound was pounded Sunday night by U.S.-fired missiles.

If this is a humanitarian effort, to prevent a leader from turning against his own people, does this signal a new U.S. policy? Because, as we have seen, heads of state and government are slaughtering their own people elsewhere as well.

Hardly anyone is focusing any longer, for example, on the carnage in the Ivory Coast.

What about Yemen? Do we look the other way simply because the alternative might be a government that is reticent to partner with the United States in thwarting al Qaeda in that nation?

Bahrain provides an interesting contradiction as well. The United States is on record as opposing using force against demonstrators. But then, there’s the little issue of a U.S. Naval fleet based there. We wouldn’t want to upset the apple cart too much.

Even when it happens in a country where it’s easier to vilify the leadership – problems are presented. Best case-in-point: Iran. No one in the Obama administration I’m sure is seriously advocating an invasion there.

The attacks on citizens by their own governments in these nations and others is pretty horrific, reprehensible and worthy of condemnation. But whether they warrant outside military intervention is another question altogether.

Perhaps the ultimate outcome of the Libyan action will help define future U.S. policy toward other governments that turn their might on their own.

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Pres. Obama vilified Pres. Bush when he was campaigning. Vilified him. Now he has adopted many of Bushes policies and bombs Libya without going to the American Congress, something he said was unconscionable when he was a Senator. He had proven himself untrustworthy, inconsistent and arrogant.
I have a lot of complaints about us getting involved in another war, but I'll leave those out for another day. However, what does bother me is the lack of preparation and the fact that a president has yet again launched a war without actually going to Congress first. The Constitution doesn't say: A president can declare war as long as he informs Congress after the fact. Yes, the war powers act gives the president permission to take immediate action in a crisis, but the FIRST act right after he launched attacks should have been a referendum in Congress to continue the fighting. What really bothers me is that now that I've said this, the immediate thought is "Oh he must be a Republican" or "he must hate Obama, and that's why he's complaining". It's like no one things about issues anymore and buries everything in partisan politics.
Good questions Gary!!

But we'd rather invent politically partisan 'answers' than really look for the actual answers......
Every situation MUST be used as a vehicle to attack them "evil others" of 'Merikan politics.

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The objective is to keep Libyan aircraft under the command and control of Col. (sez who?) Gadhafi from flying.
"No Fly and No More! is what I say and you should too!
obama has said he will hand-off to european powers asap. so he can reasonably claim 'humanitarian intervention.'

the hypocrisy in any american foreign action is the result of more than 100 years of simple imperialism, tolerated by the american electorate and often inspired by american business or financial interests. before you throw up your hands in moral dismay, remember this is sop.

why is america in libya: when any action involves an american politician, ask "will this help get him re-elected? will this benefit his sponsors? applying this test, we can guess that watching thousands of rebels being rounded up and murdered is a negative electoral value. but he does have to hand off quickly, before american lives and money also become 'a bad look' on the 6 o'clock news.

people who bring up lack of congressional approval are being a bit selective, the imperial presidency has found it advisable to act in a crisis. compared with past crimes, this has been a relatively moral and legal act.
Brooks basically made the same point in today's NYTIMES. It's clear Obama wants to provide support for the insurgents, signaling an American response to their situation thereby making friends at a crucial juncture. Why define it any further than that?

The GOP will jump on him for any possible reason, Kucinich is running against him, he is doing little more than his Republican predecessors did with defiance rather than honest portrayal, and yet he still gets banged for it. I don't get it. Do you really want another Republican govt. in the next election?
Excuse me - how can people be so programmed in this country? Democrat no matter what - great/Republican - evil, or Republican no matter what - great/Democrat - evil. Thus we have a divisive double standard in our brokedown SOS bi-partisan system. Imagine for a moment Bush was in office and declared war on Libya. What song would you be singing? From left to right, many of us in this country were opposed to and still are about our involvement. Please let the French be heroes because no matter what we do, the USA military is not allowed to be a hero individually or collectively. We are damned if we do and damned if we don't. We need to wake up and smell the coffee. Elite politicians of all stripes don't give a rat's ass about us. They work for, and sold out themselves and us to mega multi-national corporations that have no allegiance to anyone or anything but almighty money. The corporations and political elite keep us appeased with baubles and sedated with pharmaceuticals while lulling us with false promises. Obama goes to Brazil to talk about offshore drilling in the Gulf with the Brazilian president - imagine if that was Bush. How can similar actions by one president be condoned but condemned if another president does the same things. The handwriting was on the wall when both candidates McCain and Obama voted for the bailouts and then Obama went way above and beyond on the bailouts once in office. Gasp, I agree with Michael Moore on the following article and this particular reader comment below resonated for me. I am going to remain registered as NO PARTY until we have real alternative parties with candidates for the people not the filthy rich and their insatiable love of money and power. I don't care which side of the bipartisan coin our current political elite are on - it's the SOS.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/03/20/us-strikes-libya-michael-moore-says-obama-should-return-nobel-peace-p

Excerpted from comment section of article above:
"The spin is starting in earnest at CNN. According to Peter Bergan's revisionist history, here's why the attack on Libya is so darn good compared to the evil Bush's attack on Iraq:

•George W. Bush's ineffectual attempts to gather international support for the invasion of Iraq in 2003. ( guess 3 dozen countries don't count).
•There was no U.N. resolution explicitly authorizing the use of military force against Hussein. (let's just ignore UN resolution 1441 for a while, ok, along with Resolution 660, Resolution 661, Resolution 678, Resolution 686, Resolution 687, Resolution 688, Resolution 707, Resolution 715, Resolution 986, and Resolution 1284?).
•The Bush administration's largely unilateral decision to go to war in Iraq. (let's ignore the fact that the UN unanimously authorized it -- and the US Congress approved it. Note that 5 UN members abstained on the Libya vote).
•The Iraq War was widely viewed as illegitimate by Muslim countries (Syria was on the UN security council at the time and voted for resolution 1441 -- and did I mention that it passed unanimously by a 15-0 vote?)
•Gadhafi is widely reviled in the Arab world (but Hussein was widely beloved?)"
Kudos to Leondi, who captures the sham that is the Left. The boosters here of Obama who somehow try to argue that THIS war is better than Bush's are a sorry bunch. Both Bush and Obama sought/seek to take out a murdering head case. Yet, for the Left, Bush is Satan while Obama is Mr. Goodguy. Can't have it both ways. When we put boots on the ground--and when they die-- some tunes will change. Maybe.
"Leonde"...whoops. Am so vexed by this bogus blumflummery I can't spell straight. ALL three wars are now Obama's. Sickening.
Ben's comment is enlightening abt US internal politics. Rated and linked to your post
This is yet another example of how the USA leads when it comes to using violence to solve problems but does very little to spread the education that would truly help support democracy. In fact they aren’t even doing this at home; quite the opposite they’re conducting an all out assault on the education system.
It´s sad to see Obama acting almost like Bush about this issue. Really dissapointing.