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Award winning journalist Gary Baumgarten hosts the News Talk Online show on Paltalk.com. He asks critical questions, and invites people from all around the world to talk directly to his newsmaker guests using Paltalk's voice over IP technology. Gary came to Paltalk as director of news and programming from CNN where he was the radio bureau chief and correspondent in New York for a decade, where he covered, among other things, the 9/11 attacks in New York and Hurricane Katrina. He was previously reporter and assistant news director at CBS all news radio station WWJ in Detroit. Prior to that he was managing editor at Detroit Radio News Service and a reporter for the Jackson (MI) Citizen-Patriot, the Detroit News and a number of weekly newspapers. Paltalk is the largest multimedia interactive program on the Internet with more than 4 million unique users. News Talk Online is also syndicated by CRN Digital Talk Radio to cable systems serving an additional 12 million households.

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OCTOBER 17, 2011 9:57PM

Occupy Wall Street's weakness may be its strength

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Non-stop organizing at Zuccotti Park. Photo by Paul Hodara

There is no identifiable leadership. There is are no stated goals. Detractors remind us of this constantly. Facts that prove the Occupy Wall Street movement is doomed to failure. That the lack of focus is its greatest weakness.

Perhaps so. But today, after spending hours here at Zuccotti Park, Ground Zero of the movement, I'm left with the impression that this weakness is the movement's strength.

No leaders means no personalities and no clashes for power.

No stated goals means that none of those participating feel left out - for fear that their goals will be deemed unimportant.

Another point. This is not a mob. This is not an unruly bunch. There are sections set up in the park where different "departments" are headquartered to keep things orderly. For example, there's a Sanitation Department, where one can get a trash bag to keep one's claimed space clean.

Many points of view are being expressed here. All are welcome - save attacks on others.

Which brings us to the issue of antisemitism. First, there are many people identifiably Jewish participating. It's highly unlikely they would if there were an undercurrent of antisemitism. Secondly, a Jewish woman who has been down here nearly everyday says that yesterday, a guy holding an anti-Jewish sign was surrounded by a large group chanting, "He's not with us!" He didn't stick around long after that. she said.

Finally, some critics have suggested that the people here ought to get jobs and do something useful with their lives. Yes, there are a lot of unemployed people here. That's the point, they argue. They're out of work and want jobs. But the economy isn't working for them. The economy that's controlled, they say, on nearby Wall Street.

But not everyone here is young, or unemployed. Some come after work or even on their lunch breaks. Others  are retired, and have the time to contribute to the cause.

Heck, I even met a retired banker who runs a whistleblower site for those in the game who want to report financial impropriety and SEC violations - which - she says from first hand experience - is common in the banking industry.

This is the one-month anniversary of the start of the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations. Some who have been here from the start aren't as frustrated as critics who keep pointing out it's unfocused. It'll find its own equilibrium, they predict. Naturally.

For now, they are just looking forward to what month two may bring.

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And that is remarkable in itself, being able to look forward to what month two might bring. This isn't fizzling, it's not a flash in the pan thing. Water seeks its own level; it looks like OWS will too.
It's exciting, and every word you say here rings true. The "goals" and "demands" aren't important--the people are. The thousands and thousands and thousands of people.
Adbusters seems to think it's time for a single demand, much like the demand that made the Tahrir square event so effective. Here's the demand: a 1% Robin Hood tax on all financial transactions.

By the way Professor Keck has a post here on OS that deals with the perceived weakness you also identify as a strength.

http://open.salon.com/blog/profkeck/2011/10/11/ows_a_21st_century_revolution
Hi, Gary. Interesting analysis. See also my post from last night where I took a different path. My take is that it's fine to have all of this equality stuff but if at the end of the day there's no action, it's not really changed anything. And to change something requires taking a position, which risks losing people. I think that's inevitable. You can try to come up with equitable things to propose, but you can't not propose something. So it's a question of when. And the longer they wait, the more risk that something bad will happen. What's the benefit of waiting? Do they think they don't already have a consensus on some very basic ideas, like prosecuting bad guys, getting rid of the lobbyist revolving door, etc? Republican spin aside, they're not asking for socialism, just some modest fairness. And if they think they're not going to get that with the size crowd they have now, then I suspect they are waiting for the wrong thing.
Thanks Gary, I'm always learning from you . A different take and well said.
eventually, it will have to coalesce somehow. although Im not sure how.


"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
--sinclair louis

"One withstands the invasion of armies; one does not withstand the invasion of ideas."
--victor hugo

occupy wall street, my speech to the masses
good luck, and buy a lottery ticket, as an infallible plan b.
Gary, I have a long memory. I remember when peace and love turned to bloodshed and anguish during the Vietnam era. I remember, "Don't follow leaders, watch your parking meters, you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows." I also remember, "Four Dead in Ohio."

The anti-war movement began as marches, rallies, sit-ins and teach-ins. We learned our chops from those who learned them Martin Luther King during the earlier years of the civil rights movement. We learned organizing by the seats of our pants.

We also learned, to our anguish, that our demonstrations accomplished nothing, except to spread the word and radicalize others....and that was their lasting contribution.

A real political movement is spawned by polarization. The political process known as consensus is accomplished through exclusion, not inclusion.

Do we need a political movement? Yes, we do. Is this it? Not yet.

What is going to happen...and I assure you all it will....is a polarizing event. Maybe someone will shoot up a #OWS gathering. Maybe it will be a cop. Or, someone who is fed up with everything will blow something up.

We sat down in the middle of highways. We sat down in front of troop trains. (I am using the collective we generously; I was an organizer, not a participant. Organizers ought not participate.) We poured blood on selective service records. On a few rare occasions, we committed suicide to focus attention on our issues.

The war went on. Soldiers continued to fight, and continued to come home in body bags.

The anti-war movement was an emotional success and a political failure.

The leaders that the movement thrust into the spotlight didn't last. Most died badly. A few gained public office, but none of them ever did very much with their political power to make them memorable.

The stakes today are incomparably higher than they were during the Vietnam era. The whole shooting match is up for grabs and we have to decide, individually and collectively, what kind of civilization we want.

Do we want to be Greece....or Switzerland. Those are the choices.

Personally, I would prefer to visit Greece but live in Switzerland, and I think most of us would say the same.

The problem for us is that the media is out of control, the political parties are intellectually bankrupt, and the nay sayers are out in force corrupting the public conversation by injecting their false facts and their innuendos.

There will be violence because there is no such thing as peaceful change. Ask the 50,000 people who died in Ghandi's peaceful resistance movement.

The only solution I see is disengagement, the creation of our own separate society that refuses to have anything to do with their society.

The bottom line is that we were right all the time. Go back to the land. Feed yourselves and then feed each other.

And this is me on a good day.
Sage said - "The bottom line is that we were right all the time. Go back to the land. Feed yourselves and then feed each other." All that sweet cooperation at the Occupy sites. Yet I remember that the old hippie communes, and they did that consensus thing too, eventually broke up in rancor.

Still, all in all, I think the leaderless goalless state is interesting, and fits the situation that has spawned the movement: Beyond "Wall Street", the problems and complaints are legion and the feeling seems to be that only a real change in *everything* will do. Which, I suppose, just ain't in the cards...or if it were, it would be a mighty unpleasant business...
The many experiments, such as hippie communes, that broke up from a lack of leadership, would more accurately be described as breaking up from the rancor caused by people trying to control everything. I don't think violence is at all necessary, unless there was a military takeover. The numbers say it all. The more people protesting, the more likely the people in charge will start responding. We can't fight the media. But huge numbers of people protesting just might be the ticket for the problem of fascism by brainwashing with the media. In the next election, we have to promote candidates who won't accept the old cronyism. I like the quotation from Proverbs: "Four things on earth are small,
yet they are extremely wise: ...locusts have no king,
yet they advance together in ranks." The Republicans shall be cursed with a plague of locusts, this coming election.