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JANUARY 2, 2010 4:19PM

On Mysogyny: Girls, can we talk?

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On Mysogyny? plumbing is only part of it.
    
OK, so I see the gyny part of it and I notice Greek roots, so the correlation with plumbing is pretty  much there.

But I raised my daughter alone from age 1 thru 6. I changed diapers in men's rooms in the 70's, before there were changing tables or neutral kid-care territories. Yeah, yeah. But no, really.

I have never stopped raising daughters for over 33 years, which is not entirely my fault. Don't look at me that way! I mean just that I don't, like, make a whole oh-poor-man no-boys-all-girls but-actually-women-love-this-kind-of-story deal about it. OK. sort of.

n605153906_1228043_2057But I earn the right to sit and dish with the girls. I carried a little one on my hip for a lot of years on my own. Starting at 20. Yeah, Generation XYZ, angst that.

I hung with moms, I  cooked pre-school extra breakfasts for moms (I was also the pre-school baker -- Tassajara ooh la la). I joined and started babysitting co-ops, I trudged thru Montana and France with backpacks and duffles and train tickets and a 3-year old. I availed myself, homeless, of shelter food and day labor-powered motel, to feed and roof my daughter and me.

I'm saying I know this:

Every one of the days for single moms and dads are essentially the same: get up, get them up, change diapers for a couple of years, have ready and dress with clean clothes, provide something worth eating, have happy words, take them safely where and when, make money, see them, play with them, maybe more diapers, good food again, "Quality Time" and that's a must, buckaroo, no matter what kind of pile-up is going on. Then a book and a kiss and also I love you regularly and be polite, knock first, say excuse me and sorry so they will too, be fair, don't worry about them while they sleep. Get some sleep. Repeat.

And what, if anything, does that have to do with Mom or Dad's plumbing? Same work, either way.

So girls, ladies, women, revered elder goddesses, I saw it and will forever see it from your perspective. The look men give you on the bus when you have a squirming kid and bags of paper/toys, and, um, what's that...kid smell?

The glazed boredom in their eyes when you recount a schedule or doctor's report or grade card or her need to just have you move so we can get to our seats and you were ignoring her cause she's just a kid? What's wong with you?

The way guys get, like, pissed, when kids are around, (and incidentally, I'll just do this one example, but how hard is it to be hail-fellow-well-met guy's guy with the regular joe guys, after setting her down to play with their wives' kids, and then -- after they talk scores and weather and trucks -- somehow also bring up  MY latest news, which is a new tooth or a picture of a cow or how she has a hard time with this girl Jennifer on the playground). That sentence does not need a question mark to us girls.

The question is "what hovers in your hearts?", for lots of guys. Why isn't it your kids?

"Oh man, do I have to pretend I like being around kids? my kids? your kids? Can we just shut-up about this kid stuff?" (I sort of had to say that. Just put some Brooklyn into this for me. You understand.)

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OK: Not every guy. Some are cool.

I have heard stuff you haven't heard, though. Women, Moms, this might get you an extra 10 degrees on what the &%^$@# is up with guys, anyway?

I sit, at a bar, or at a wedding, or in some guy environ, and I mention I have this kid, a daughter, or how I spent most of my twenties raising her alone, and then I  barely say anything and the guy -- now, don't just blame his cups -- starts telling me this heart-rending, gut-knotting, slow-motion tale of the kid in New Mexico he never sees, or how he didn't spend time with his at all and that's why she left him. Or he's not sure why his grown daughter won't ever speak to him. She just won't.

And if it's just him and me he talks. WE talk. Like we really talk, at pick-up time from school, when we chat, us moms. I mean guys sometimes have opened up to me. Some want forgiveness? but most just need their stark failure to contrast, to have it just hang out there, with this guy they won't ever see again. It's a kind of existential therapy, a Szaszian natural catharsis, wherein I play the mirror.

I can't hate these guys. Only afterwards does it occur to me they are bums, or worse. But it isn't for me to say. Just one week before my ex brought mine to me, my baby, not quite a year old , and then went mad? I was preparing to leave the state, my separated-wife, AND newborn, and make some lunatic walk through the Klondike to the Bering Sea. This is 100% true: I had the meal cache locations plotted on USGS topo maps and half the equipment.

I did sew my own mummy and coat tho. North Face kits. I was always Mom-ish. I get more credit for this, right? what a guy, right? For ALL of this. Probably right now, dear reader, eh?

Well, quit it.

Cause if you feel a special place for how I was one guy who did not give up or walk away from what was mine in the first place, if you attach glory to me in any bronze, offhand, special good or extra credit way? well, fine, cool, I'll take that.

Now muster that for every parent or single parent you ever met or meet.

Every one of us that ALWAYS breaks the 40 hr work load and hugs 'em and gives up on the degree and lets 'em grow up on hope and full of books. This might mean your wives, guys. Um, "we" work, worked, really, really, REALLY hard for other human beings. Somethimes they are YOUR human beings.

Glory hail to you, ya mom, or anyone who does the mom work. Sacrifice makes good and just and fun new people, to do cool new stuff and fall in love with and hit home runs and design nice outfits and even grow up and raise you, too.

Guys: notice this. Love it everywhere you go. And, uh, join in!


"we admire the wrong things"

-- Sandra Stephens

 

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Molly, and Rocky (above), my youngest, Eliana (below)

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Oh man, sounds like you have a LOT of great blogs in you about your life and your daughter and just living! Great perspective, great man-man relationship discussion!
Greg, I get to be among the first to comment. Thanks for the picture of you slinging around the house as a young man with a baby girl on your hip. Your pragmatic empathy is transformative, the only type of weapons that work against misogyn or any other ism.
I didn't expect during this post in the middle of this day's offerings on misogyny. I must say though; it's a great addition to the discussion. I do wish y0u'd made that trek from the Klondike to the Bering Sea though. That'd make a hell of a blog/novel/NatGeo documentary.
This sentiment is so beautiful, and as always with you, written beautifully. god bless.
You did the right thing, and I for one am glad for men like you...my ex was one who fought me for custody, so I know there are men who know what it is like to be that parent. I wanted the best for my child and I figured he could provide it much better than I. Maybe he did. Thanks.
Nice piece, Greg. Personally, I've never understood guys who don't want to hang out the with kids. At family and all-ages affairs, I always make a beeline for the kids.
Deborah: About a hundred. thank you, too.

Sandra: i love that you read this. I went back and found some pictures Molly has on her facebook page. See? Shana punim, eh?

And wow, pragmatic empathy! Yep. In a nutshell. We all walk around on two legs. Do your wok, trust all joy.

Thank you.

Nanatahey: I'll need a sponsor, and a full-time nurse. (thanks)

voicegal: thank you

Buffy: you honor me with this candid and positive comment. Thank you.
Frank: Things have improved a lot since the 70s. Guys like us, we wised up. And we have more fun!
And hey, thanks for understanding. It, ahem, adds a note of realism to the "girl talk" aspect to dish the guys. No offense, to you or any other guy. Including me. Um. Uh. OK.
Greg, why don't we meet in New York City and exchange stories and experiences for a week.? Yours is one of my favorite OS posts of all time!
What children learn in the first half a dozen years of life, are often under estimated. It is a crucial time.
Having just had breakfast with this guy, let me tell my fellow commenters: A trek through the Klondike is about the only trip Greg hasn't taken. For further evidence, take a look at his back pages on OS. Pick a post, any post. You'll see what I mean.
Redstocking: You flirt! No: wait: i am in my "one-of-the-girls" persona here. So this makes sense, in fact, it's a pretty cool compliment! Dang. I am so confused.

tai: thanks

Jeremiah: and what a breakfast it was! we did what? two hours? Main street Bistro indulges us.

When I got home it was either clean the garage or write this. My wife is so good. She understands me. Tho Monday night I still have to clean the garage.
You do a nice job of bringing it out, thanks Greg. I've been slow to write anything lately, and I've been limiting my OS contributions to comments; and so much goes unsaid. I am a single dad. I stayed local while they grew up in the home I created post divorce after my ex stole the house I'd built with my bare hands. It was supposed to be our home forever. ...Something about forever.

A boy and a girl; and we all raised each other. They weren't even teenagers yet. I didn't leave that house until they fledged, first my son and then my daughter; and that set me free on my latest vagabondage, which has taken me back and forth across the continent, to other continents; and finally to a place that still allows me access. I can't post any pics because they're all in storage, back East, in a big wooden box I haven't opened in eight years.

My children were my life, my center, and it's been damned hard to find one of my own now that they have theirs and are living well, one in Santa Cruz and the other in Tahoe. Love at a distance is empty most of the time.

These issues are complicated, yes...?
I swear that is not a mullet up there. I had one of those hipster-tiny-little-tails. I never had a mullet. It just happened to fly around my shoulder, so it shows up here. It was really skinny. Really.
nice post. Your story reminds me of a few guys I met way back then...
My own mother died in the 1950's when I was young and I was raised by my father. I never thought of cooking, cleaning, housework as having a gender or being oppressive - it was just chores, life, stuff you had to do.
If a kid lived in a situation where a parent always did these things for them it struck me as weird. I liked being lazy but at the same time I though why would a kid want to act perpetually helpless?
dynomyte: my natural father was an abusive son of a bitch but the worst thing he did? was just walk away and never keep up up any contact. Almost any father, whatever progress or transgress or just-a-guest or BS there is or was can redeem it by never giving up. Just say, once a year, in a card, or a call, "I love you" I will always want to know you. If it takes 20 years they will catch up and love you -- or just respect you -- for not giving up. Don't give up. Say "hey" to them. it means everything.

Not that resolution is just so simple. Yeah. It's complicated. But 'hey" is simple.

You honor me greatly with this intimate and honest comment. Thank you, dynomyte. Love comes through what you say.
every single parent is a superhero, that said, not every woman's a mom and parenting is only one arena is which women are devalued
Noah: Yeah, I'm with you. work is work. And letting your kids goof off, hang at the mall, text all the time? not cool. Deep happy comes from personal accomplishment

Roy: True. And all the other devaluations bug me no end; I am fierce on the topic of my three daughters' opportunities being un-infringed.

This is my one weird, personal, cluttered, corner of it, or where I intersect oddly with it. But: profound for me, for all the flip casual prose I affect.
You are a great man. Write more and more, please.
What a wonderful post. Thanks for sticking your head into this discussion and offering a marvelous perspective. rated
jane smithie redux: She gives me gifts in return every day. I am a man unmade then remade by parenting. thank you.

Old Woman Walking: I respect your perspective and will not try to finesse it. I accept some of what you say as valid through and through, and some of it valid for you and others.

But what I offer here is my personal perspective being enlarged by my having done, alone, without family around and without much in the way of resources, what was then and still is, too often, called "women's work". I couldn't help but notice, for the last 33 years but especially when I was alone at it, that 90% of the women I knew gave me some respect, and 90% of guys ignored it, were confused by it, or, at times, sneered at it.

And so I ended the piece by speaking out, in my half-assed, soapboxy way, for guys to value and elevate this brilliant, all-important human work.

Our society does not value raising good children in so many ways, still quite profoundly financially (convenient store clerks make more than pre-school teachers). I am the zillionth person to note that there is an historical connection between ALL "women's work" roles and low pay, low respect, poor support.

I risked wrath for "tilting" mysogyny today. I apologize, and without reservation. But my life, my own work as a "mom", means something, too. I am, my life is, evidence of some oddity and complexity and transparency (or not) about our gender roles and expectations and capabilities, and I sort it out here, some. Thank you for the personal and heartfelt comment.
The bond between you and your daughter must be profound. She is lucky to have such a dedicated and unselfish father. Whether man or woman, mother or father, this is the stuff that great parenting is made of! As endearing as this is to a mom and gramma, no special kudos for you, Greg. You were/are, just doing what comes naturally as a parent. Ya do what cha gotta do, given the circumstances. Some moms and dads might have passed on the opportunity and pawned their child off onto the grandparents, at the age of 20. That's pretty young by any standards to take on the responsibility you did. So, in a round about way, guess I am really sayin'...good on you and more importantly, lucky you!
PS!!! The photos are absolutely priceless, both of you and your daughter and those of her! What a gorgeous creature she is! Man did you have some bodacious, knock out locks, Greg!!!
zumalicious: "great". cool. When all of daughters have reached their what? 30s? maybe? they will all finally realize this. So far I only know for sure that one does, and she is already greater than me. This is definetely NOT mysogyny, tho, this is just kids. thanks!

WalkAwayHappy: I love being that guy. If I had a swimming pool and could afford to write all the time life would be PERFECT. thanks

Jeff: thank you.

Just Cathy: She posts here, too (Molly Lilly)! It's so cool. And exactly right. I am human, and it was so hard, being a single parent. But it was obvious every single day to me, back then, that we are all obligated to do our all when we have a child. And how the little"extra" attention I got sometimes (and, a bit, today), as a single father, still added up to a pretty sucky amount of respect for all single parents. And still it's true.

I'll accept it, personally: good on me and especially: lucky me. thank you.
Actually, Greg, I just came back to edit my comment because I realized that I had not finished reading your post, was called away from my desk before I had finished it, and then somehow in the interim I forgot I hadn't finished it and came back and responded on what I had read so far, thinking that was all of it. But you read it and responded before I could do that. So here's a big OOOPS for my goof and my comment based on only a partial reading. I will now erase my prior comment because of that and hope not too many people read it.
Greg, can you erase my original comment? I did not see any way for me to do it. Am I missing something?
Greg, I do not flirt. You inspired me to rewrite my misogyny/misandry post. I believe misogyny and misandry will flourish until both men and women share equally in raising children.
Old Woman Walking: deleted as you ask, no copy kept, but it really wasn't so harsh. I feel entitled to say something, but where do I do it? was mysogyny really the best theme to make these points?

I did not resist. It strongly relates, but your point is true: I don't know the daily reality of being a woman.

I do have three daughters, and would hope that legislators, employers, admissions boards, awards committees, and benefactors of all kinds take the same fierce stand for justice you do, when it comes to evaluating who they are and what they do.
Redstocking: I will go and read your post now. I think you say the most profound thing here, though: all benefits flow from raising up how we all raise up.
The pictures are priceless thank you for those. What you say about a father can almost always get their children back at least a little is so true. My husband lost his now grown daughters to his ex when they were 6 and 8. Hadn't seen them again until I got on him about how all I had ever wanted was my dad's love,which no I didn't get, but that he should try. He did with my help and now they talk. It has been slow but it has been forward. You are right on! I just wanted to say that! Thank you for being a great dad!
Misogyny comes from all corners. I was a kid myself when I started having kids, which I did at 20, 22, 24, and 30. I felt the disapproval from other women for being that young, uneducated, clean-rich-people's-houses breeder. Even though I've since gotten a degree and work a regular job, I still blush when people ask me what I do for a living, as if I have failed to climb as a woman should climb. Being a present and invested human being, whatever gender, is the best thing we can do. You are that, sir. Lovely post. Lovely child. Lovely parent.
lunchlady: thank you, and what a wonderful thing, for him and for them. Rapture is not required for Good. Good can just sometimes be quiet good, incremental good, contingent good. We need our fathers and mothers. If they have been awful or flawed or absent? sometimes, especially so. You make my day.
C.K.: what a beautiful and touching comment. Thank you.

I enshrine this: "Being a present and invested human being, whatever gender, is the best thing we can do."
The Barking: Hey, thank you. And everyone here is my witness, i did not arrange this: to answer your question, ahem, you could, er, read my other posts. Seriously tho, the two or three about my Nana explains the good. Far too many of these posts, about my mom and dad, explain what i swore I would not be.

Bonnie: I hope they do better. Honest, hardworking, funny, respectful, of course, but money wouldn't hurt.

Stellaa: yep. it was a test. I almost failed it. I'll post about the first two weeks of being her only parent, if I can stand to be that honest. And the walk I had planned would have been impossible. Some part of me knew.
This is difficult to write because I am riding in a car in a snowstorm. But I believe misogyny has less to do with biology and more about gender and what we value as human beings. You have so much to be proud of. I hope the Yukon waits for you
Greg, will you please tell my how this Open Call got started? I don't see it anywhere. I'm sure it was from one of the posters, but who? And how do these things work at OS?
Thanks.
Rated.
Greg,

This post and you just completely shine. It was a pleasure to read from beginning to end. You are the definition of anti-misogyny.

::love::
fingerlakeswandererer: I tried that the other day from my iPhone. I am lousy at tiny typing. Yukon, and Tahiti: the two top places on my Someday list.

And yeah: values. that's the ticket.

Joy Mars: you are asking probably the one guy on OS who has absolutely no idea. Been here a long time, even asked that question of others, still don't know. I just noticed that On Mysogyny was part of dozens of posts, thought I had something to say about it, added 'Open Call" to my keywords, and hit publish.
Greg, with your permission, I reposted it on Mary Wollstonecraft in the hopes that it will be read again and again, long after it disappears from the front page. For your sake, I asked people to comment here.
oh, sparking ::love:: back to you.

OS is the grooviest place in all of time and space, "all the way to infinity and back again"*

*actual quote by Tony Orlando (of "and Dawn" fame), on an awards show in the 70s, about the love he had for Bob Hope
Reading you essay I had the sense that we were transported back, sitting on a riverbank somewhere passing the peace pipe back and forth, with me listening, fascinated, as you spun one helluva story. The shock was suddenly feeling tears well up and threaten to trickle down my face. Fortunately I keep a box of Puffs handy, and was able to grab one (a Puff - how appropriate in this context, I guess) before anything could drip on the keyboard and short-circuit my link to the outside world. Man...now you got me started...
ClarkK: Ah, shucks. What a sweet comment. Now we'll have to act all gruff, do a chest bump.

Um, hey, about that pipe...
...fffffffffffffffffft...hold....hold...ahhhhhhhhhhh....uh...yeah.
The sexiest men in New York City are those carrying a baby or toddler in a frontpack or backpack. I always notice and admire them.
What a beautiful story. I can see that the following quotation does not apply to you.

Most fathers don't see the war within the daughter, her struggles with conflicting images of the idealized and flawed father, her temptation both to retreat to Daddy's lap and protection and to push out of his embrace to that of beau and the world beyond home. -- Victoria Secunda
ClarkK: (tight, squeaky voice) I, um have absolutely no idea what you are talking about (coughs) (coughs uncontrollably) (notices how red taillights are, as if for the first time)

Redstocking: some things have improved.

Natalie: but what an eloquent quote. I find biding my time, and generally doing right, meanwhile, to be the best overall strategy with daughters. Learning to be tough has to do with planting your feet; being independent means from me, too. Lovely.
Greg,

Of course I agree that some kinds have improved, but the sexualization of little girls poses problems I never had to deal with.
Everyone else has said all kinds of things I could have said. You are a terrific person, and I know there a many great and committed dads out there. Thank you for raising your daughter so well. Great addition to the discussion.
Greg, this is a most excellent post and I have all the respect in the world for you. Although, yes, you describe all parents when you speak about raising a child, to do this at 20 as a young male is unusual. I'd love to know what your daughter is up to now. Thank for this post and how beautifully you describe the art and adventure of raising a child.
So hey there Dad, ya, you, my Papa, Daddio, the one who called me Bub as we trecked through Colorado, Montana, a bit in France, then NY. You are an awesome dad! My eyes watered up as I read this. Remebering. So happy you are MY Dad! How lucky I am that you kept me, loved me. You learned how to be a father and a mother, whatever Greek root you pull form it.
You set a high standard for me, for the men I meet in my life. It's a good thing, a great thing, a very hard thing.
My mom would have been proud of you, you know she would, deep down in her heart, she was thankful.
I love you. Thank you.
redstocking: I agree: and cable TV is rife with it. The malls are full of "hot" clothes for pre-teens. Some of it? not that new. But halloween "hooker" costumes for kids exist now, and nothing like that was around when I grew up. It is complex, weird, and disturbing. My daughters wear things I sometimes think are not appropriate. But they are very good girls. So based in part on the formula for my two high schoolers' honor roll success, I suggest 4H, bat mitzvahs, and varsity sports (and homework before TV), to balance the too-casual wear trends.

sweetfeet: thank you

marytkelly: hey mary! Molly has overcome adversity and is now the assistant manager for food and beverage at Mohonk, an enormous historic hotel near us. She has an apartment on their multi-thousand acre preserve and is, in a word, spectacular.

And she posts on OS!
http://open.salon.com/blog/molly_lilly
I have to say that I found your essay very refreshing. :o) I sincerely believe that alot of fathers have gotten a bad rap ... I know there are men out there who are the quiet unsung heroes and you've just spoken for them!
This was just awesome in the particularly awesome way for whihc you have a unique knack, Greg.

I'd like to relate just one thing that happened to me last night at a New Years party I attended with several families. As is their wont, all the kids, of whom the oldest was 11, formed a club house in the bedroom of the two girls who lived in the house where the party was held. Nearly all the parents were content to convene in the kitchen, chatting among each other, catching up and musing on what the year ahead might bring.

A couple of the moms occasionally went to check on the kids and were rebuffed by the children with their sign posted on the door saying Club Meeting in Session No One Over 9yrs Old Allowed (they purposely exclude the 11 year old, who can be a little bossy and controlling and who [said] she didn't mind and [seemed to] prefer hanging out with the adults anyway).

I went by the room myself at one point and just walked in, ignoring the sign, not because I wanted to check on the kids, but because I wanted to hang out with them for a bit.

Immediate hue and cry: "CAN'T YOU READ?" YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED!!" "NO ONE OVER NINE!" Before I could mount a defense or convince them I really wanted to hang out with them, my son came to my rescue: "Wait, wait... he has the HEART of a nine year old!" After a moment of stunned silence, I was invited under the 'tent' and the club secretary duly recorded my name on the roster and marked me present. It was a proud moment to feel welcomed by my peeps.
oh Molly you made me cry. I love you too sweetie.
rebelmom. I sincerely agree and know it is true, I have met some!

Lonnie: what a great, great story!! I would be so thrilled to have that happen to me. I hope they also shared twizzlers and comics with you, too!
Your an amazing guy. This made me cry..
a wonderfully informative and interesting post. thanks a lot. rated
Greg: A tour de force that clearly touched so many women here. It's three AM and my only child came to visit. We don't always have an easy time of it, and I too raised her alone. The image I had through parts of her childhood was: I work in a factory. She wakes and the whistle blows and we're up. Then we argue about which socks are itchy. Then we'd go to pre-school where most kids had two parents, and I felt sad. This first school lasted about 3 short hours and then it was time to find new friends for her and on and on and on. So thank you for commenting on us who are single parents. Tonight, your post especially affected me because the channels of communication were wide open and we were two souls who have memories only we share. The daughter is, as of this minute, so mature and so fine a human that I feel it was worth it. I can't feel as wonderful as you because when people would say, "childhood goes so quickly" she and I would look at each other and say, "not for us."

It was endless. It was hard. I did the best I could but it was definitely on the job training. I never expected to be a single mother; thought my ex would be a mom like you and I'd be a great father. Nothing worked out, for either of us, as planned.

But you are so right, the result over here is a sane and savvy woman who has her own problems but who is my heart. We put in the time and the attentions as did you. I am just guessing that a single dad to a girl or girls may have a slight advantage. A single mom to an only daughter is a little more difficult. Your post is gorgeous and in another mood I might think: Wow, he did what I tried to do but could not. She just went to bed and I was so happy with our hours long talk that I felt, not an everyday feeling, that for all the tedium, and sacrifice, it was well worth it. You know that. Not every single parent who is totally devoted gets back what you did, and what I see that I did too if with more down times along the way.

I think the single thing is what most spoke to me is that it's a hard and long trekk. I miss the baby and I admire and adore the adult woman. Girls and their dads; boys and their moms.

I wonder if you would have had a harder time with a son/sons? I can only say that it was heaven and hell and I give you many kudos for being a great dad. Sometimes I was great and sometimes I was overwhelmed. But what we have in common is that we never never never gave up. And that, for them, makes all the difference. Thank you for a peek into your single parent life. It sounds very fine. I applaud you and wish I, who did not ever look away but dedicated myself fully yet was at times: less appreciated. The results over here are not entirely clear. But I felt tonight that it was all worth it. You, on the other hand, never seemed to doubt that. Kudos. Brava. wonderufful post. When it's good over here, it's heaven. When it is fraghtt with bad vibes I get so sad. But tonight was heaven and for us that is not always the case. . Thank you and Bless you, WO
Kitty: thank you

Lisa: thanks

Wendy: You honor me with this close read and deeply felt comment.

For brevity's sake, to make my point, and for the art of it I eclipse my old pain, doubt, terror, and hard times, with the sun of success and joy.

But many if not most of my posts are about very hard times. I share so much with you, your finely written struggle. It was damn hard, mind-breaking, back-breaking, soul crumbling hard.

I lost my heart sometimes but never my will to it; but in the dark of 3 am sometimes it didn't feel like much difference. And no consolation.

My oldest went through very tough times herself. Her natural mother was as often psychotic and on drugs, everything she could ingest. Was a cutter, and extreme at everything she did. But even she had a determination that never quite failed, to make what little time she could manage with Molly be positive. She waited to end herself until Molly was an adult, an act of will in itself that was greater than any of mine.

I still struggle. But what i have learned is in this piece and in my comments and not different than your eloquent words: keep at it. Keep your chin up, your head down, do good work. Endure the crap. Don't try to "win", let compassion win.

My beloved wife Deborah is naturally forgiving, biologically generous, in ways It took me 50 years to learn. But I have learned them. And the reward is: I earn my children's respect. At least today. Tomorrow I will struggle again.

There is no heaven or just reward, magically ordained. The best of parents can produce kids who live rotten. My father was a monster; of his four children I am most sane and I require a lot of help. It wasn't fair; fair is what comes from living in a civilized country, and human efforts, and fate always trumps fair.

But I am so happy that you and your daughter talked, and connected, and you did something wonderful making a human being who walks on sturdy legs and thinks for herself and has perspectives of her own. You let her alone enough so she be who she would become, you gave her enough so that she survived to do it. bless you. Thank you.
This is a beautiful journey towards love and and devotion. I see new things with your work, and I'm made different by it.
Nicely done, your post and your life.
What a great parenting story! Your daughters are lovely, your thoughts are heart warming! Now it's time for your daughters to take you on that hike from the Klondike to the Bering sea! Rated
Man, having read a bunch of your work here on OS, and so with a little of your background in mind, I am in awe of you: that you survived your childhood/young adulthood, that you have made good use of your intellectual capacity, that your heart has never stopped expanding, that you're able to share these gifts with such eloquence and gentleness. Seriously. Impressive.

And the writing . . . if your goal was to totally rock the reader with a gentle explosion of wow, then you succeeded.
I really, really don't like the gender stuff. Which is to say I agree with you here. The commentary--whether criticism or accolades or eye-rolling or high fives--should be about the work itself, the content of one's life as a parent, not about which gender s/he is. That's all.

I love the parents who are tender with their children, who think of their feelings and want to raise them right. Such parents are a boon to society at large. I don't care about the plumbing of said parents.
Thee is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that your girls are better people because of you. How lucky are they (and you)? Happy New Year, Greg. xoxo
In the second picture you look like Larry Bird--I think that's a good thing.

The picture of the little girl in fighting pose is truly priceless.
Gary: what a compact and moving comment. Thank you.

Kathryn: thanks

Ralph: I think I would need a handcart and oxygen!. thanks

Owl: this is such a lovely comment. I like that part about my heart expanding. I have ungrinched myself. thank you.

Lainey: Gender stuff is tricky, yes. There were times -- sitting listening to the "girls" dish guys, with the token "but not you, Greg" ha ha -- got under my skin. Still does sometimes. For every 3 women who liked that I did the right thing, raised her, there was one who was irritated about it, snide, or something. I think sometimes it was this: we have not got our fair share of the pie(s) in this country, and you get extra attention for this, one of the things we do and do and do, and often do so well?

It made sense. It's so complicated. But ultimately, ANYONE can be a good parent. Master the every day just do it part, and voila!

thanks

cartouche: happy new year! and thanks and yeah i see the difference every day. So cool.

Con: That's Molly. She was a pistol!
Greg C. I can't explain some things.
For some reason this brought tears.
On day in India after a terrible quake,

pause
the Deccan plateau shifted from test.
underground weapons testing shook.
dead amounted to 28,000+ crushed.
rocks
walls
home
barns
Walls shook.
Baby cradles were smashed.
A Earth rocked back and forth.
The Quake was at around 4AM.
People had to be there and care.
People gathered to bury victims.
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This relates to wounds you know.
Wounds that will never go away.
You know you will carry forever.
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You don't want no bronze shoes.
You don't need no editor picks.
You used your glorified hands.
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I almost did`no comment. sigh.
apology. sketches. hotos. images in my memory.
ref. beautiful people that you love and share @ OS.
I was gonna say:`
I remember fields of`
Gold flower marigolds,
Brilliant Sunflowers,
fields of Mustard bloom
I can't explain. no words
Some of the most ardent feminists have been men who have daughters and who are very involved in their lives seeing to it they get to do the things they want to do despite being 'girls'.
art and art:

I don't always get what you write. I came at poetry in the most bass-ackwards way.

But lately you have started to make sense to me. I see your comments elsewhere and sometimes a weird thrill goes up my neck -- a snack on a bench, a supple movement in languorous southern water, a rocking motion at a window when a loved one leaves.

Whatever it is you intend with this, I get this: you are moved, and you connect my words to the large tragedies and glancing blows, and how we pick up the debris, every day, and set the table aright, while we wait for the waters to retreat.

And I get this: I know I am On To Something. I don't get many ratings -- If I get 30 it's a rare thing, and silly posts (some i really like!) regularly get 60 or 80.

But the comments that come in -- like yours, thank you -- honor me, and I amazed when people bare souls and connect with me, and guide me to be a better writer.

I love OS. OS is marigolds, yes, and sharp crags and brilliant sunflowers yes o yes and i kiss and stroke the winedark sea that takes me here, and sometimes I live in Penelope's tears and sometimes I cower in the rot, in the cave of the cyclops, but OS is always Ithaca, always the home shore, where even the old blind shepherd has a warm rock to rest upon, and and where my bed is an ancient tree, and flowers over me while I sleep.

Patie: Yep. It gets real simple when our daughters arrive.
Greg, I loved this piece (as always) and I love the new, healthy-looking avatar. You are indeed one of the good ones.

And there are good ones on both sides of the gender wall. (Also bad ones).

Hugs.
Very beautiful testimony, indeed, Greg. I'm also the father of one daughter, and even though I am raising her together with my wife, I end up as main caretaker for a little less than 2/3 of the week (my wife teaches at a university in another city and has to spend several days in a row there), so I can relate to a lot of what you say.

I agree with Redstocking Grandma that if both men and women partake of child rearing, we have some chance of reaching more empathy and less misogyny/misandry (what is the difference anyway?...) in this world. I wished more people had as clear a vision of this as you do. I can only hope that my daughter will turn out to be as good a human being as your daughters have -- she shows all signs of it, but she's still only 7...

Thank you for writing this!