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MARCH 24, 2010 8:34PM

lag time

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How I start to feel: godihateTHEM, 

Then the burr-edge feeling: I am the villain 

-- nonononononononoNOTME -- 

then minutes days weeks later: godihavetostopdoingthat.

 

That littlesweat sensation when I tell my wife 

about that jerk online (chin thrust here), 

and an hour later 

with a start I realize:

I didn't tell her the exact truth. 

I left out part of what I did.

 

The shame.

The cringeworthiness metrics of daily life. 

Our stiff resistance. 

 

WE are the Congo, Darfur, Stonewall, Selma, Thermopylae;

all of us: hooting apes, baring teeth. 

 

We think we are special.

We all make pieces, not peaces.

If the Dalai Lama had teenage daughters

you bet he'd grumble. 

 

The fix is about lag time. 

We think we're different from one another, 

but we all tend the same way. 

Some of us just learn to shorten the lag time.

 

I want us to go right; can't they see that? 

Then I get mad: they 

just won't see I am TRYING here 

(trying to persuade, show them what they won't see)

-- but my try is stained by anger. 

 

So I am doubly mad 

-- they won't admit this, and concede that, 

and applaud me for thus and so --

round and round. Dizzy fucking monkey, me. 

 

I always want more. I want to win. I want to be right,

to be acknowledged. They deny me.

 

Our enemies  see what our friends are too polite to say

and thunder it at us. We shake in fear and cover our ears. 

Fling poo. 

 

Our enemies are but clouds in the sky.

They re-form and change, disappear, mass up

drench us, strike us to burn the ground below our feet.

We hurl bolts until our arms fail and the light in us dies.

 

Unless we shorten the lag time. 

See? 

The first time it's 2 years and fights and unsaid pain

wrong things won't change do bad; we don't get it until it's over.

The second time it's 3 dates. We see.

The third time it's 5 minutes at the bar. We know.

 

We are still the same person. 

The same Jane or Joe

who tends to pick THAT kind

of unkind. But we can get better. 

 

We can shorten the lag time: 

2 years. 3 dates. 5 minutes.

 

I expect to be self-righteous and grind my teeth.

But more and more I stop short

of cringeworthy. In time.

And then time opens up. I see more. I love 

the whole sad sack french-fried canker sore

rat race of us.

 

O sisters!

O brothers!

Lay down those ten foot poles

and touch each other.

 

It's not perfection we get; 

it's a chance to sort it out. 

Every day? more chances. 

 

 

Don't try to be Gandhi. 

Work on lag time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Cliff's Notes version of this can be found in this one line:
" we don't get it until it's over".
You're right, Greg. We don't. I wish the Dalai Lama had teenage daughters as much as you do.
A lot of self-knowledge here. When I saw the message with the re line "lag time" I thought this was going to be about billiards, where you "lag" for break.

r
Once again, you've nailed it. I am proud to say that I've been working to shorten my lag time for years now.
This is pretty complex. I've read it twice, and it worked better for me the second time. I guess it's the personal part that still eludes me - the two years, three dates, five minutes. I can't get past thinking it's about a relationship that would be none of my business.

But what works for me is the stopping short of cringeworthiness. It's so honestly visceral and sensible. Identifying the boundary is what I must do, and when rage kicks in I see only the ultimate boundaries. I cross the nearer ones with barely a thought - knowing they're cringeworthy but willing to cross them anyway.

Complicated apes. Yep. Indeed we are. Thanx for pushing me into an overdue self-examination that's quite cringeworthy. (r)
During the sorting years--what I call those years when kids are aged 7ish to 12ish and trying to figure out which neighborhood kids they fit with--some of the women around here would walk with each other, and that was our saving grace. If it went too long, the resentment would grow. I'm talking about the mothers here. My kid would tell me what Arthur said or what Vincent did, and my blood would boil at how that little snot could be so mean, and then it would kind of grow when I saw Arthur with his brand new thingamajig or Vincent's dad bragging about how cool or athletic his son was, and I'd be thinking, "Yeah but he's a bully," and I'd steam to my husband. And then one day Arthur's mom and I would walk and she would mention how he wets the bed and doesn't know what to do about it because he feels so ashamed, and she has tried everything and certainly doesn't do anything to make him feel ashamed, and now what should she do about the big sleepover next weekend? And another day Vincent's mom and I would walk and she'd mention how Vincent performs miserably in school, just can't grasp the material, that simple reading and adding stuff, and he's got to go on an IEP, and do I think she should send him to Sylvan's Learning Center after school, and what do I do with my kid because he seems so smart and is she missing something or what?

And the resentment falls away. Even though I'm not getting a specific explanation or justification for bad behavior by their kid on X day at Y time to my kid, I am getting an explanation of sorts on their kid's humanity, on his worries and weaknesses and problems and I feel terrible sympathy for him and his mother.

I think of lag time in two ways. I think we need more lag time in the small picture. Restraint is golden. Restraint is not natural to me, so I work hard at allowing that boss in my prefrontal cortex time to get off his ass and start orchestrating my limbic response in a way that involves more reason than emotion. But in the big picture, we can't allow for too much lag time because the resentments are just too big to carry anymore and we are just strangers then. Others.
Thanx, Lainey. That helped me a lot with this. I'm thinking now that Greg is maybe talking about his kids dating. If so, it's still none of my business, but it's understandable. I like they way you described giving your "boss" time to orchestrate the limbic response to get reason ahead of emotion. That's my biggest problem.
"Lay down those ten foot poles and touch each other"
There was a lot to think about here. thanks for this.
Wisdom and beauty here in spades.
Greg, I think the lag time is a very thoughtful persuasion for the dissapation of harsh feelings with time. I alway go back to the lesson of Lincoln when he would dash off a bitter letter and shelve it for a day. It always saved hard and hurt feelings. I try to follow this example, but have fail miserably more than once...perhaps I have finally learned the importance of lag time. You gave it a good over-arching name.
I've been a dizzy monkey far too many times. I have learned to cover my teeth, be more human (the good part of being human...the human that doesn't need to bare teeth). But I have a long way to go.
I get this . . . to me, it's that if we're paying attention, we might be able to shorten the time between the moment we're sure someone has wronged us and our understanding that maybe we haven't been wronged; to recognize more quickly when we're getting ready to react instead of mount a considered response. But I could be reading it that way because that's what I've been working on for awhile - action instead of reaction, listening before judging.
We have met the enemy and he is us.
I sometimes fall into the trap of thinking everyone has experienced life like I have but when I allow some lag time, (I love that concept) then my more compassionate side has a chance to speak. Anger and discord are forms of protection and not often needed. I like the Lincoln thing of shelving things. I have never regretted not sending someone my bottled up hostility. "Never miss a chance to shut your mouth." makes more sense all the time. Brilliant poem, here.
I've always kept a journal & it's a big help with "lag time." I rant & rave & get self-righteous & hurt on the PAGES where I sort it out & let it die. Sometimes I think that we're using forums like OS & Facebook as journals & it's all out there before we can take it back or calm down. Instead of reasoning, we attack & want "to be right" & want to "be acknowledged." It is me me me. As my teenaged daughter once told me when I was lamenting how I had FAILED because SHE screwed up: "Mom, everything isn't about YOU. This is about ME." (And I was like, Huh?)

We definitely can be "dizzy fucking monkeys" looking for applause, acknowledgment, attacks, whatever. In our heads we are heroically shouting, "I dare you!" We create battles of Black and White, ignoring the possibility of Gray.

I like this: "It's not perfection we get: it's a chance to sort it out. Every day? More chances." Once again, AMEN!

(also: I love the phrase "dizzy fucking monkeys." Also "We hurl bolts until our arms fail & the light in us dies." That is exactly how hollow victory feels.)
Lag time, journals and gray. Yes please.
Thanx, Owl and Doc Spudman! I had a sense of what Greg meant, but you brought it into the kind of prosaic focus that I often need to move from the limbic to the rational, as Lainey so cogently put it.
It's okay with me. I'm the beloved dog who dives into the garbage to lick the butter papers when the people go away. I'm a critter, and I do what critters do. I learn. Sometimes quickly and immediately, sometimes over years, sometimes not ever, cuz you know, that butter tastes so darn good.
Gotta lotta deadlines; I wish I could respond in full with what these deserve!

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cartouche! nope, you're right, we get everything a little too late. I am applauded for being conciliatory here. Someday someone from my asshole past might join OS just to give me what fer, then boy will I have to be abject. ah well.
thank you.

Con: well there is a "bolt" up there too, maybe i meant some thing about hardware? who knows?
thank you.

Nikki: working on lag time: my main project.
thank you.

ClarkK: you focus on v good parts: cringes and I like your part about those lines, practically speakin that's where the work of short lag time is: knowing the lines.
thank you.

Lainey: you honor me with this close read and fine comment and personal revelation. It feels jarringly familiar, how we keep a gripe and chip pile over class or status or slight, real or not. If we just wait, we see more.

thank you, friend.

ClarkK: some part of me is ALWAYS think about my daughters and dating, but I wasn't conscious of it here. More like: the poem is mediocre (ahem, "unpolished") and a mishmash outpouring SOC thing.

trilogy: then I am glad i kept that in. Felt a bit corny but then the whole thing is sort of corny and I liked the way it looked there.
thank you.

Denise! I find you a stellar example of wicked wit and humor and genuine compassion.
thank you.

Gary: dissipate the harsh: yep (except with reefer: u want to hold in the harsh as long as possible). we all need handy shelves.
thank you.

Bellweather: me too, I have at last control mostly over my behavior, less so my face, and I am still in inner turmoil.
thank you.

Owl: "maybe we haven't been wronged" -- yes! and sometimes we have been grievously wronged, but not wounded. This is startling to me, in recent years: I can feel instant compassion for someone's ugliness to me, sometimes, because I own my "self" and do not help them make the cut, to justify my next angry action.
You are utterly consistent with the feeling of this.
thank you.

Lainey: HA! yessiree bob.

missingk8: thanks

Dr. Spudman: what great writing you have done recently, btw! Protection, yep, for wounds we feel compelled to feel as strong as we can. Weird, us humans.
thank you.

Suzie: you honor me with this extended comment. love the example with your daughter. We plug everything into "us", I know I do.
"heroically shouting 'I dare you' " -- my whole post in one compact line!!!
more chances. thank goodness for that.
thank you.

anna: thank you.

ClarkK: and everyone helped me see what the heck I am talking about, too!
thank you.

greenhorn: an appropriately poetic response to a poem. lovely.
thank you.

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will respond if any other comments come in but I have to do "work" now. sigh.
"The cringeworthiness metrics of daily life."

THAT line jumped up and bit me right in the ass. Nicely done, Greg.
Awesome poem, Greg. That was fantastic. Thank you.
Great Stuff Greg! I try and keep a lid on my lag time. I take it off when I have to, but not too much at a time!
"It's not perfection we get,
It's a chance to sort it out."

Greater truth could not be spoken. Really, those few words are a novel.
Your self reflection is always such an inner ear. Thank you.
Thank goodness for more chances.