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DECEMBER 16, 2009 10:09AM

Oral Roberts and Me

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 This is a repost and an update. After hearing that Oral Roberts passed away yesterday, I thought I should say a little about my experience with him and his ministry. 

Oral Roberts University is a school shrouded in mystery and legend; a school which boasts alien-spaceship buildings, the infamous Prayer Tower, and a 60 foot statue of praying hands. It is a school where athletes from South Africa and missionary kids with well-to-do parents sit together in the cafeteria. It is a school where well-known missionaries, preachers, and televangelists speak at chapel meetings.

 

This is my alma mater.

 

the prayer tower2 

 

The chancellor, Oral Roberts, told us every time he came to speak during a chapel service that God told him to build this university. We were here at the school because it was our purpose, our divine destiny. Oral Roberts seemed like a sweet, humble, elderly man. Everyone, even the most cynical of us, liked him. His physical presence was much different from how the news reports and media rumors portrayed him.

 

Oral Roberts would tell us that God had spoke him about us:

 

”Raise up your students to hear My voice, to go where My light is dim, where My voice is heard small, and My healing power is not known, even to the uttermost bounds of the earth. Their work will exceed yours, and in this I am well pleased.”

 

I knew of ORU because of my dad. He always said that his time at ORU was the best time of his life. He talked about the silly antics of the boys in his dorm, the kindness of the professors, and the peaceful atmosphere.

 

I can tell you that these things hadn’t changed much when I was there from 1999 to 2003. But, I want you to see the ORU that I saw when I first got there. So, try to forget everything you’ve heard about the place and just imagine.

 

Imagine how you’d feel if you had just escaped from a tyranny-ruled kingdom. You would be walking across campus in mid-August, carrying all you own in a two backpacks and a sleeping bag. Your mom would be happy for you, but distracted because her boyfriend didn’t want to help you move into the dorm. He wanted to visit his family on a Cherokee reservation. The landscape on campus was beautiful. You focused on that. People were all smiles. Boys opened doors for you. Everyone said hello to you like they’d known you forever. The girls in your dorm were as sweet as pie.

 

There were rules you didn’t like, of course, but they were not as bad as your dad’s rules. There were girls’ dorms and boys’ dorms. They were locked down. You couldn’t enter into a boys’ dorm except during move-in and on one designated evening during visiting hours. You had to sign in and out.

 

Sure, the girls had a curfew and the boys didn’t. The university logic was that if the girls had to go to their dorm rooms, then the boys would too. Cause there weren’t any girls living in Tulsa who didn’t go to the school? Cause boys couldn’t get into “trouble” all by themselves? Right.

 

You didn’t like wearing a skirt or dress every day, especially since you didn’t have many clothes. So you quickly bought a cheap, ankle-length, black skirt from Walmart, which you wore every day until you got a job.

 

The boys were silly. They did stupid things like drop water balloons on people from their dorm windows and played prank phone calls. But even during your rose-colored months as a new freshman, you heard stories of male athletes taking female students down by the darkly wooded area on Riverside Drive in order to date rape them. If, by chance, the female student actually attempted to tell someone in authority, the athletes got off scot-free. Athletes at ORU were treated like athletes everywhere. If they were valuable, they could do whatever they wanted.

 

There were more rules that you didn’t like. You have to live on campus unless you lived with your parents in town, you were married, you had children, you only went to school part-time, or you were over twenty-five.

 

Then you started to hear the hushed stories about the Roberts family. You heard that Oral Roberts had a son who committed suicide. Ronald Roberts had a drug problem. No one talked about him. Everyone acted like he did not exist. You heard about Richard Robert’s first wife, Patti Roberts, whom the administration pretended to ignore. You heard about their children, which were never mentioned. That’s because Richard’s second wife, Lindsey, was a holy terror. No one liked her. She wore an abundance of gold when she was on television and when she preached during chapel services. She was the image of the perfect Christian woman. (Except she stole someone else’s husband.) She liked to tell the female students how to be a Christian woman. But she was a poor public speaker and had the tendency to say very stupid things in public.

 

Chapel services were required twice a week. You had to sit with your dorm wing (hallway) sisters. You weren’t allowed to read or sleep. Everyone did both. Resident Assistants had to take note of everyone on his or her wing and try to keep them awake.

 

You liked chapel. You liked taking time during the day, two days a week, to think about God and your relationship with him. You prayed a lot for your family. You prayed for your mom that you didn’t talk to very often. You prayed for your brothers who didn’t have much food to eat and had to take cold showers because your dad couldn’t afford to pay for heat. You prayed for your dad even though you didn’t know what to say.

 

You found that this was becoming more and more common. You didn’t know what to say when you prayed. You found yourself praying, “Please, God, please” and then left it at that.

 

That is what I found during my first year at ORU. I found hypocrisy and selective blindness abounded. I found hurt Christian kids who pretended to be one person in public, but were partying and experimenting with illegal drugs on the weekends. I found that I didn’t fit in a Christian world where perfect facades and superficial kindness were encouraged more than honesty and a commitment to social justice.

 

I also found sparks of magic.

 

There was one thing that my dad was completely right about: the professors at ORU were kind and good. There were absolutely amazing professors in every department (especially the English Department). These were quite intelligent and remarkably observant men and women who somehow found themselves teaching at Oral Roberts University. They were just as passionate teaching African American and Women’s Literature as Christian Poets, Shakespeare and Milton. These professors kept me mostly sane during the four years I spent at ORU.

 

I met true blue, lifelong friends at Oral Roberts University. People that understood me better than I understood myself. People that will always have my back, no matter what. I made friends who dropped out because of the expense. I had friends who helped me get an apartment when my teenage brothers came to live with me. I had friends who were kicked out of ORU for drinking. I had friends who wanted to be youth pastors and missionaries. I had friends who introduced me to Kurt Vonnegut and Jack Kerouac.

 

We were the fringe students of ORU. We read constantly and listened to David Gray, Bob Dylan, and Wilco. We were obsessed with “SLC Punk”, “Fight Club”, and “Donnie Darko.” We didn’t turn a blind eye to the double standards and pretty lies, but we also thought that we were supposed to be there. Oral Roberts had created a college dedicated to educating thoughtful, hard working, and god-fearing people. When we first arrived on that futuristic campus, we thought we had come home.

prayer hands 

We were only nineteen years old and desperately looking for God.

 

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Thanks for blogging this, Gwendolyn. As an alumna of Brigham Young University, I feel a kinship to anyone who attended an ultra-religious school, and particularly to any female student who also had to wear a skirt. One of my friends from college, now a well known radiologist, visited ORU as a potential medical student since his dad was friends with Oral Roberts, and I remember well his comments on the visit. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I was wondering if anyone was going to post on Oral Roberts' passing, but this is better than I could have expected. A real insider's view.
My favorite high school teacher, the only one I'm in touch with, came out of ORU. He said that his father--at the time a speaking in tongues type of preacher--had sent him there as the only place to go.

My friends and I studied the ORU application, and laughed at its requirements: a minister's recommendation, in which the minister was required to describe the applicant's relationship with Jesus. Packrat that I am, I probably still have that application somewhere.

I have the impression from your writing that ORU is like any other college in the sense that you get what you put into the experience.
What a wonderful post. I've often thought that Oral Roberts, the man, was a bit of a nut. You will not remember, but when he first hit the airways and started healing people on TV, it was quite a site. I still remember that he said God would take his life if he didn't raise 8 million in a certain time. He didn't. At the last minute, some rich guy donated the money. I wonder what would have happened if he would not have raised the money. This was an excellent post Gwen!
R~~
Intriguing look at what almost feels like something of an alternate universe. Very much normal, average, and mundane, but at the same time, almost Orwellian cultish...

Very cool
I very much appreciate your take on OR's passing . . . the retrospective of the university he built. I'm impressed with the way you describe the academic atmosphere . . . somewhat surprising, considering the rigid religiousity. As always, I appreciate your particular perspective, and excellent writing.
thanks. i've worked many "leap of faith" shows, seen how they work and the insistance of morality and conformance of the past, but then seen to my amasement the joy and good that they do in the name of religion along with what I consider the bad. I have always lumped ORU in with them.
Kathy: Wow, yes. I also feel a kinship to people who went to very religious schools. We all survived...I think we're better people for it.

Jeanette: I wish I had a better memory so I could have told more stories. I hope others will write about their experiences.

Mrs. Michaels: I don't remember needing a minister's recommendation when I applied. Maybe they changed that. A lot of good people come out of ORU. It attracts the best and the weirdest people.

scanner: most religious people who have that much success lose touch with reality.

Placebostudsman: It was a surreal experience.

Owl: thanks. I certaintly wouldn't be who I am today without Oral Roberts and his school. It's weird how some events that don't seem to be very positive turn out to be very important.
thanks for putting this up again, gwen. it's as good the second time. peace.
wschantz: Sounds like you have some good stories there. I'll stop by your blog and see if you've written any of them.

femme: thank you. There's a bigger story here and I hope to read others' experiences and stories.
Interesting, complex picture of the place, which in so many ways (hyprocrisy, boys being silly, everyone bending the rules, inspiring teachers, personal confusion) sounds like every other college.
Great post, Gwen! It's eerie how much of this resembled my own college time, even though I went to a UC. But my group of friends were Christian, and within that circle, much of the same kinds of things (both good and bad) went on. I was lucky that I had the larger university around me for perspective, though.
Thanks for blogging this. I know one person who went to ORU, and he did not fit any easy stereotype.

Have you ever read the book "Salvation on Sand Mountain"? It's very, very good--about snake-handlers, but many of the same issues you talk about here.
THanks for sharing these memories. It's always interesting to hear about someone who has had such different experiences and come out with a lot of the same interests.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_engagement

"Student engagement occurs when "students make a psychological investment in learning. They try hard to learn what school offers. They take pride not simply in earning the formal indicators of success (grades), but in understanding the material and incorporating or internalizing it in their lives."[1] It is increasingly seen as an indicator of successful classroom instruction, and as a valued outcome of school reform. "

Without mindlessly endorsing the use of the concept of student engagement, it is clear to me that you had a lot of it at ORU.

I am glad that you are able to embrace personal change and growth and still acknowledge the best from your past -- not all that easy to do.

Finally, Oral Roberts himself was an exceptional person.

I'm glad you are presenting a reasonably balanced account and recognized the exceptional.

Rated.
Pilgrim: thanks!

Silkstone: I've wondered what would have happened if I went to a normal university and I think it would have been bad for me. At ORU, I was forced to push away from the conventions of modern American Christianity. I found out who I was. If I went to a regular college, I probably would have become even more of a devout, zealous Christian.

Leandra, thanks for the recommendation. I'll have to check it out.

Caroline, thank you!
Christians are human, and thus not immune to the seedier aspects of the human condition. I worked at a Christian college once, and found that in general, the faculty and staff were really trying to walk their talk, making it a very pleasant workplace. But still, organized religion and human hypocrisy go hand in hand.
Thanks for the memories. I remember my mother taking me to Oral Roberts University when I was ten years old and your post brought it all back to me. Alas, I went to a state college instead, much to my mother's chagrin, who had always hoped I'd go to ORU.
Thanks for posting this. Very nice.
Nick: a friend of mine just said that she admired Oral's compassion more than his faith. It seemed like he truly cared.

voicegal: too true...too true.

Travis: your poor mother. :)

Deborah: thank you.
ah gwen, i saw this on facebook and you pulled me back in to the point i had to log in to comment. i was there during the years in the eighties when they were going broke and taking in the wealthy problem kids. i was in towers and two from my brother wing were the known coke dealers on campus. skirts, aerobic point cards, how to break out of towers after hours and for some reason repetitive group viewings of 'pee wee herman's big adventure' at the dollar theatre were the order of the day. thank god for epperson, belinda, grady and dennis in the english department. couldn't have survived without that last, gasping bastion of free thought at the university with one of the highest attempted suicide rates in the country. oral, we all did respect oral, but richard (with that dyed skunk stripe in his hair to emulate his father) was another thing entirely. i was there when patty left and lindsay came on board. someone got hold of a button making machine and soon patty's face was peering from the more bold of backpacks everywhere. i am rambling, pointlessly, much like my time there. thank you for writing.
Outside of you here on O/S my only remembrance of ORU is that the girls who came to the games they played here in Carbondale were, shall we just say quite friendly. At least the ones I met did.
Great post. Sharing a fundamentalist Protestant background, I particularly liked this line: "I found that I didn’t fit in a Christian world where perfect facades and superficial kindness were encouraged more than honesty and a commitment to social justice."
This is an excellent account both in terms of your background and your interaction with the school. Like scanner I remember Roberts' plea for money or else God would call him home. And the less I say about that the better. I'll take a guess that on those days that Richard or Lindsey spoke at chapel, no one mentioned Matthew 19:9 -- And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”
I love the voice you wrote this with--felt like I was right there with you, part of the "fringe."
Excellent tribute.
Music heard in the background as Oral ascends:

The best things in life are free
But you can keep 'em for the birds and bees.
Now gimme money (that's what I want)
Thank you for the valuable insiders view.
bahHMMblog: You were there when Richard and Patty divorced??? Seriously??? Wow!!! You should really write a whole blog post about that experience. Yes, thank god for the English dept.

bobbot: well, in my experience a lot of the ORU girls were mean girls. Not very nice...behind your back. That excludes my girl friends, which were amazing. (And still are.)

Kevin: Ahhhh, another kindred spirit. Thank you.

Stim: those of us that found out about Patty were very upset at the double standard Richard and Lindsey had about the idea of marraige. We couldn't believe that they would act like Richard had never been married before. It was that kind of pretense that made me start reconsidering what I believed.

spotted: I will make you an honorary fringe student member. :)

alsoknownas: nice to meetcha and yes, the whole obsession with money really pissed me off. Especially since it went completely against the teachings of Jesus. We are supposed to be living a life of moderation with a willingness to give to anyone/everyone in need.
Gwendolyn,
This is a terrific post. Having much in common with you I smiled and nodded at the thoughts you expressed.

I visited ORU in the early 80’s. Perhaps what stood out most - besides the intentionally “otherworldly” design of many of the structures was the image of several young men wearing neckties with t-shirts.

If ever there was a commentary on lifeless compliance with man made rules of outward conformity, that was surely one of the best.

Rated and appreciated.
perhaps I should have been more direct Gwen, to say that they were"friendly" meant that at least towards young men with long hair and good weed they were , um, rather affectionate. Towards other girls they likely were mean girls. They were not very likable themselves in a long term or relationship way. I felt sorry for them too, they were for the most part so screwed up between reality and the things told to them as absolute fact at church and at home they had no idea who they really were.
Ariana: thank you!

Dennis: Thank you so much.

bobbot: Ahhhhh. Weed. That explains a lot. :)
Wistfully and beautifully written. Your last line is perfect.
This is fascinating Gwendolyn. Thank you for sharing your experience.
Aside from vagaries of dress, sounds to me much like any other institution that puts young people together. There are no places free from hypocrisy, crime, darkness, anxiety--because there are no human places free from sin, or, if you like, from the necessary shortcomings of being human. Thanks for a very interesting portrait.
Fascinating post, Gwendolyn.

The internal conflicts between being human and the expectations of being superhuman are damned tough to reconcile and religions heat those expectations to a boil. It's doubly difficult to shed the deep guilt instilled by those religions to keep humans "in line" and emotionally oppressed.

Having been raised in a super strict religious atmosphere myself, I can easily commiserate with you.
Great article Gwen. Thanks for giving us a glimpse into ORU. Great stories, memories and morals to share. xoxoxo
Tom: thank you.

Juli: thanks!

The Dewy Red: well, I think it was a bit different. The sexism was pretty extreme. We also had to take a lot of religious classes and we had to go to chapel. Also, there were no protests or social activism or GLBTQ organizations on campus.

Bob: Yes, the pressure to be super human was on me for most of my life. It's impossible to be someone else's idea of perfect. I'm so happy that both of us have learned how to live our own lives.

mama: thank you! Happy Holidays!
Gwen, I am glad you reposted this. Your honesty is greatly appreciated, and it is good to let people know that Oral Roberts, and the university he founded, is not a one-dimensional cartoonish entity. There are truly good and intelligent people who attend schools like ORU. While it might not be my choice, I do not begrudge those who choose it. I especially admire someone like you who sees both the good, and not so good, of the school. And you know what? There is a lot of stuff that is not so good at every university, not just the ones that are founded by evangelists.
Procopius: I really want to write a book (fiction) about ORU in the seventies. I just think there's rich potential for wonderful stories there. It's like when people started writing fiction about being Catholic and the mysteries of the Catholic church. Religious people tend to be very colorful people.

Witness: Well, I'm glad to give you a different view of the school. A lot of the students were very serious about their study. Not all. But a lot.
thx for writing this. i kliked on out of duty, "know your enemy", and was reminded once again that religious nuts are more often than not, decent people and not necessarily nutty, either.

oru had a reputation for promoting a world view that was narrow, at best, and often actively anti-intellectual. but no one has a monopoly on the truth, and being locked in her dorm at night is not the worst thing that can happen to a young woman. anyway, you survived it, as a part of the tapestry of america.
Thank you for a behind the scenes look into ORU. I've always been curious about what it would be like to go to a university like that. From your description it is more or less how I imagined...good, bad and inbetween.
I resonated with this post and will admit that it was very difficult for me to read. I tried to be open, but most of what I read made me sick to my stomach and sad...very very sad. I'm so grateful for the person you are today and know all of these experiences made you the loving well balanced person you are today; and I can't help but still think we would all have been much better off not being exposed to systems like these. You are a beautiful writer.
al: thanks...yes, I did survive and I will continue to write about it. It was just such a fascinating experience.

Mime: thank you. If you look for it, you can find good everywhere. :)
Sorry--I didn't mean this struck me as being structured in exactly the same way any other university would be structured; I meant that the behaviour is the same behaviour that one gets among groups of, well, people. Yes, including the sexism, sadly, at times. Cheers.
mary: thank you. It was difficult, I will admit that. But I'm glad I didn't quit. I have stories and friends to last me a lifetime. I am thankful for both of us that we grew up and moved onward.

Dewy: yes...behaviour in groups...hmmm...people are fascinating.
This is eye-opening, and I'm glad you have good memories. I didn't become a Christian until I was 30, partly because of growing up in the age of "tv preachers," and how some of them made "televangelist" a dirty word. Unfortunately, many of my local pastors made religion a bad name, too.
A touching post! I was a student at Moody Bible Institute, and I found some similarities in your description of ORU and MBI. It's all such a mixed bag.
Yes, I like your perspective very much.
Well done, rated.
You have such a unique perspective, Gwen. I hope you can remember a few more stories from your college days at ORU. I am entranced.
R
I remember "The Oral Roberts Show" (or whatever it was called) way back in the 60's -- or was it the 50's? I was raised in a very strict Christian Science family and we were curious, but disdainful, of Oral's emotional "technique." Still, he was the only one out there way back then other than C.S. who focused on spiritual healing.

I was a kid and he kind of scared me. He yelled a lot, and cried, and scrunched his eyes up when he prayed. He didn't seem to know what he was doing, he just had super good intentions -- so his behavior could be forgiven, or it was. I was spooked by all the passive, accepting people who went up to him. I didn't believe what he was doing would result in many long-lasting cures. Maybe that's what the adults around me said. Maybe I thought so too. I don't know. I do know I felt upset watching him. I didn't feel calm, peaceful or full of faith. That's interesting. It was like the fascination of watching a rodeo or a bull fight.

But as I said, at least he was taking on the subject of healing the body with other than medical means. That was important. We think we're so materialistic now but back then we had a much denser form of it, based on dense social conformity. We don't have that kind of conformity now, but materialism can find root in anything. We have just as much materialism as we've ever had. What it's based on now is another interesting subject.

Thanks for your post. It needs a small bit of cleaning-up, otherwise it's a very good piece.
Gwendolyn,
I figured and hoped you'd write about Oral. I met him the first time when it was, I think, Oral Roberts Ministries. (mid-1960's) A building just south of downtown, on Boston Ave and near Riverside. It was a Sunday school outing for my Catholic class. He had the beginnings of a diorama-type trip through the Bible exhibit, or something like that (my memory of this is a bit fuzzy, except meeting him), and escorted us kids on the tour.
I didn't meet up again until I was 14, and spent a summer caddying at Southern Hills. I carried Oral's bag twice. I remember Richard was a good golfer, and that he and Oral spent most of the walk discussing the TV show.
They must have been decent tippers, or I would remember more.

I'm sure you've heard this, but with the modern (at the time) architecture and flags of different countries at the entrance, the old Tulsa name for ORU was Six Flags Over Jesus.
Oral did a lot for Tulsa, and at least at one time, and perhaps still, ORU was our number 1 tourist attraction.
The school really went down after he retired, under Richard and Loopy Lindsey. Now that they're out, things have to be better...and I can say that without looking or paying attention.

It was good to hear your insider story.
Gwendolyn,
I spent five years on faculty/staff, three of which were in the English Department. With that in mind, you can understand why I say those were among the best years of my life--professionally and spiritually. Financially--another matter entirely. One of the comments referred to [William] Epperson, Grady, Belinda, and Dennis. They were among the reasons for my great memories, along with Ruth G. I have so many stories I could tell--most of them at least mildly funny, some of them absolutely hilarious. I loved the faculty and students with whom I interacted. Some may have been phony, but most were quite sincere.

My family's relationship with Oral Roberts began long before I was born. My mother's parents and their brood of ten children lived in a small house with OR and his parents when he was ill with tuberculosis. We spent many hours driving to the big tent revivals when I was pre-school age. I had a great deal of respect for OR, and am happy to say I did not lose that respect during the time I worked at ORU.

Maybe you and I should collaborate on a book about ORU. You are an excellent writer, and I thoroughly enjoyed your blog.

DrGranny
Read this the first time you posted it. Still love it! What an interesting experience you had. Rated (again).
Like Joy Mars, I remember the television show... my brothers and I used to play like we were on the Oral Roberts show, feigning some malady, and placing our hands on the other's head and shouting "Beeeeee healed!" Seriously, Oral Robert's influence as an early televangelist who brought evangelical Christianity to the masses is huge; he also did blend some of the tent-revival drama (Oh, those of us whose early childhood memories are tangled with altar calls) with the broad appeal of television.
Thanks for this, Gwen. This is a foreign world to me, and I appreciate your reflection on so many aspects of him and your experience there.
An enjoyable personal look at life inside ORU. Thanks. He did use quite a bit of the endowment money for his Beverly Hills "office."
Great post!

I'm happy to get an insider's take on this scene. I used to live near Bob Jones University, and I was always thrown by how much it seemed like a bunker or a compound, with gates and security and such-- unlike any public college I've ever seen. Yet when you read the comments on BJU profs at ratemyprofessor.com, you quickly see that (as you say) there are just as many kind, well-meaning faculty as any other uni. Also just as many reckless youths.

Rated!
Cool post. I have found that people from all beliefs and political persuasions tend to judge other groups by the worst examples among them. I was just wondering, did your time there deepen your faith? I mean in God and not in religious institutions.
To everyone: I apologize for the spam comments. I'm trying to figure out how to delete them. How annoying.

Thank you for making this my highest rated post so far. It's like a little holiday gift for me. :)

WalkAwayHappy, Thoth, Nelly, wakingup, Cindy, grif: thank you so much for your comments and kind words. I really appreciate that you read my posts. It means so much to me.

jenshrader: I walked TV preachers a lot until my teen years when I was put off by their exaggerated passion. It didn't seem authentic. That's what I want: authentic passion.

Robyn: I would love to hear more about your time at Moody Bible Institute. I will be checking out your blog. Thanks for commenting.

Shan: I will try to write more. A lot of my stories involve others and I hesitate to tell anyone else's story.

Joy: I am interested in spiritual healing, but being brought up during the Healing Movement has tainted the idea for me. I do believe in natural remedies, laughter as medicine, and positive thinking. I also think that science has a lot to offer us as well. It's a complicated subject.

Paul: thank you so much for your stories. Have you written some of them down in a blog post? I love stories from an insider's point of view.

Dr.Granny: you were in the English Dept? Wow. I adored the English Dept. Best people on earth!

Sharona: I want you to tell some of your stories!

aspasia411: heehee. That's pretty funny.

Indiana_Joe: I think Bob Jones U. is probably even scarier than ORU.

Philos777: Wow. That's a good question. Did my experience deepen my faith? Well, I've written a little about it in earlier posts. I might update one or two and repost them...Just for you! :)

Happy Holidays, everyone!!!
One thing caught me by surprise in the obit for Oral Roberts. He seemed more humble than the televangelists that followed him. Nutty, of course--that stuff about the Lord taking him home--but not inclined to take undue credit for healings, etc. Nice repost.
This is a beautiful story, bittersweet and honest. I doubt anyone escapes college without regrets. I took the opposite path as you--a state university and the decadent Dionysisian festival that followed. I honestly cannot think of one important thing I learned there in four years except how to drink hard, not thow up on myself and be a cynical asshole.

It sounds like at least you had some good professors.