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MARCH 5, 2010 8:13AM

Boomers "Unrealized" ... Is That All You Got, Brokaw?

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 Boomers, Before .... 

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... And After 

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Tom Brokaw, not satisfied with making big bucks with his "Greatest Generation" traveling road show, has come up with a new one now that his target market is either dead or wishing they were dead as they suffer the indignity of riding it out in a nursing home somewhere.  Tom has taken to stroking the ego of the Greatest Generation's children, the Baby Boomers in a two hour special called Boomer$!.  The title has it all.  Our need for money and our need to be seen and heard through the exclamation point!  

Look at us!  Look at us! 

 Boomers.  You know, the guys in charge of the country for the past 18 years?  The ones who helped crater the economy?  The ones who started screaming at one another 45 years ago as some went the way of free love and "Dude, where's my bong?" while some stuck to the 50s credos of their parents and went off and fought the good fight in southeast asian rice paddies.  The ones who will continue screaming at each other in nursing homes over whether to put on Fox News or MSNBC and will beat each other with canes as they bitch and bellyache over whether or not the National Guard at Kent State was merely reacting normally as frightened kids under attack or a coterie of fascist bastards working for the man?

And all Tom Brokaw can do is call us "unrealized?'  How about unrealistic, unreasonable, unrefined, and unsuccessful for starters? 

And we won't let shit go!  We are the Hatfields and the McCoys bitching about issue after issue as younger generations roll their eyes and wish we would simply give it up.

 Bill Clinton, the Boomer poster child, said in his marquee interview with Brokaw, that Boomers had a "little tendency to sanctimony" and that it meant folks had a tendency to stop listening and it made folks "dumb."

A "little tendency," Bill?  Have  you listened to yourself, sport?  I realize the family values crowd can be insufferable, but, hell, they ARE standing at pulpits half the time, know what I mean?

Bill Clinton, the master of the understatment?  Who knew?

There's study after study of family run businesses and other such entities showing the third generation typically screws everything up.  The first generation gets the enterprise started.  They do the heavy lifting and drag the family out of poverty through their hard work.  They put everything they have on the line.  

Everything. 

Second generation understands both the need for hard work and sacrifice and the need to prepare for the worst, as they lived on the edge growing up.  So they keep working away, improving the family business and saving money because you just never know.  Henry Fonda in Grapes of Wrath haunts them.  It could have been them.

The third generation doesn't understand the sacrifices made.  Survival has never been in doubt in their lifetime.  All they see is that there's enough money to buy them toys, and they feel a divine right of entitlement to same because their father was never there for them given he was out EARNING the money.   They typically wind up cashing out of the family business or simply driving it into the ground as they spend more time chasing their next buzz rather than their next customer based on having learned how to party well in college paid for in full by their parents.

It's in business text books and the basis of much consulting on succession planning for family owned businesses, OK?  I am not making this stuff up.

Now let's run this thing along the lines of the WWI, WWII and Boomer Generations for a few yuks, shall we?

The WWI generation was our nation's coming out party on the international scene.  We finally went to what that laugh-a-minute, Donald Rumsfeld coined "Old Europe" and showed them there was a new sheriff in town.  We may have been viewed by Europe a little like the way Rodney Dangerfield was viewed by Ted Knight when he rolled in the Bushwood Country Club in the movie Caddyshack -- a Boomer movie classic if there ever was one -- but, tough.  It was our turn on the international stage.

The WWII generation saw that sacrifice, however.  They lived through the depression.  They saw the need for prudent controls on things, be it financial markets or simply saving enough for a rainy day. They truly knew what it meant to go hungry or to not know from whence their next meal would come.  It wasn't a cliche.  You didn't have to tell those people to clean their plate because of starving kids in China.  They were the starving kids, damn it.

They got it.

And, when they came home from WWII and having had bombs tossed skyward at them in B-17, 24s and 19s or launched at them in fox holes, they kind of let loose a little bit.  They screwed with reckless abandon as evidenced by the birth explosion that now has its hands on the wheel of the clown car that is our political and economic systems.  (Yeah, Gen X and Y, you are next, but Boomers are CEOs of 75% of the F500 right now. We may irrelevant to advertisers, but we are still your bosses.  Bite us.)

And they drank and smoked.  A lot.

Why not?  What could a little Canadian Club or Dewers with a couple unfiltered Pall Malls to set the mood do to them after having evaded German Tiger Tanks and Japanese Kamikazees?  They didn't expect to come home, let alone see 50, so fuck it.  Eat, drink, and be merry for yesterday we dodged bullet, after bullet, after bullet. 

So that was what the Boomer generation saw.  Not the depression.  Not the landing scene at Normandy brought to us by Boomer Pitchman Tom Hanks in Saving Private Ryan in a burst of nostalgic tribute before we bury off the last of those relics who saved Western Civilization.  

Nope.  We saw Morey Amsterdam getting cocked in Dick Van Dyke's office, insulting his boss, and pulling a jingle out of his ass.  They were old war buddies.  Anything was possible.  Hell, Dick got Mary after all.

Well not anything was possible.  Nobody was hitting on Rose Marie, a lesson to the ladies to stay pretty if there ever was one. 

That's what Boomers saw as generation three.  No hungry belly.  No bullet whizzing by a head.  An idyllic life in New Rochelle, New York for Rob and Laura Petri, while work was sitting around cracking jokes and busting the boss' balls.  

That was the PG version.  The real fun version had Sammy, Deano,Frank and related sycophants raping and pillaging the countryside.  Just the Rat Pack slamming whiskey and smoking butts and chasing broads.  Every day was a party.

So we partied our way through the 60s and 70s until such time as the bill came due once our parents had had enough of us after college.  Rifts arose all over the place.  Between us and the WWIIers and then internally as, impetuous little shits that we are, we became utterly convinced in the complete and total sanctimony of our political viewpoints.  Worse yet, we simply cannot contain ourselves from letting everyone know about them, to boot.

"Who Says You Can't Have It All?" Michelob Light sang to us.

The banks said we can't, that's who.   And now there are some uppity industrious places like Asia, Latin America, India, and the Middle East who will be gunning for us as well thanks to technology-enabled globalization.  It may not suck to be us, but it looks like it's going to suck to be our children.

And so here we sit with the front end of this squandering generation heading off into retirement fearful it does not have enough money saved because, in spite of its hard charging partying approach to life, it ought to last longer than the WWIIers, and it has not saved as much.  Likewise, medical science will find ways to extend our lives in spite of our habits as we decry rising medical costs while demanding more and more procedures as "rights."

So, yes, our nation's day in the international spotlight has likely been eclipsed.  This is not some funeral dirge implying we are going to wind up like some third world country, but we are no longer the EF Hutton of the free world.  With our cratering financial markets, capital formation will be taking place more in Arab and Asian centers with a different set of government/business rules than we have imposed on our industries here.

And Boomers controlled the levers off power in this county as the country's power slipped away.  It happened on our watch as Ronnie Reagan might have said.   Might have simply been the luck of the draw in a game of economic and geopolitical musical chairs, or it could have been partly the way in which we did things.  Nature?  Nurture?  A product of the times?  Whatever.  

With apologies (sort of) to Mary T. Kelly, "it is what it is."

Our grandparents came up from nothing.  Our parents knew true poverty and true international peril.  We knew nothing but a party until we hit early adult hood and Vietnam hit us in the face.  (Maybe our parents over-reacted, but they were a little touchy after the WWII experience.  I mean, it wasn't as jumpy as the McCarthy era, but Kennan's Containment Policy ruled the day.) And it pissed us off.  

From The Dick Van Dyke Show to Vic Morrow in Combat in one fell swoop.  Or, better yet, the transition from the raucous wedding in Deerhunter to bombs going off in Vietnam.  It was like dragging a needle across a record.  

Total buzz kill.

And we made it known we would do it differently.  We would get it right.  The hubris of youth did not leave us as youth left us. 

And once in power we bring the world Bill Clinton and W. Bush.  The former only the second President impeached in history and the latter, well, we all know that story, now don't we? 

And all Brokaw could call us was "unrealized?"  Tom is being too polite.  He's only 6 years older than the oldest of the boomers, but come on Tom, come at us, will you?  I guess you have to go easy on us if you want us to buy the product.

We deserve to be slapped around way harder than that for the way in which we have pissed away the legacy. 

Brokaw let us off easy.  Way too easy. 

 

 

 

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Brokaw is a big pussy...cat. He lays around in an editor's lap and gets stroked. Gen Z is coming and less is more. Cheers!
You look at the demography of US Senate. Not as many boomers as you might think...Same for the US Congress.

Shorter boomer: I got mine...you go get yours.
I love a good rant, even when I don't agree with every word of it. In fact, I wanted to get pissed off at it, but I have this bad habit of responding to logic (fatal flaw). I had the exact same thought after Obama got elected (even though I guess technically he's a boomer): Clinton and Bush - that was our best? Yikes.

And I've had discussion with Gen X/Y/Z rock fans when I complain about the contentlessness of their music and their reverence for some boomer icons: "No, man! We fucked it up! Get mad! Get really mad!"

Loved the Dick Van Dyke references!
Are we narcissistic and shortsighted? Sure. Are we whiny and self-righteous? Absolutely. You pegged us pretty well.

But I'm not so sure about taking the sociological and economic models of one generation and applying them to the geopolitical. Empires and nations rise and fall for many reasons, but rise and fall they do. Egypt, Greece, Rome, the Ottomans, the Brits - they all came and went. I think the decline of the US has more to do with new, leaner, and hungrier competition, and an unwieldy and unresponsive political system than any one age demographic, no matter how annoying.
Texas: I don't mind Tom. I was a Peter Jennings guy during that news era, but I like his homespun, gentle style. But this was one time I would have liked to have seen a dope slap.

OE: I would be interested in hearing more. Is it still folks older than that? Sort of the Korean Era types? I guess I would look at it as what percentage of the congress compared to our percentage of the total population. In theory it was that elders had the wisdom but, well, we've shown our wisdom through our boomer presidents... (I am so ashamed.)

Cranky: I feel your pain about the boomer presidents. Worse yet was that when W really messed it up where did he turn? He went and pulled a protege of his dad's off the bench to pull his ass out of the fire in Iraq. And that guy, Gates, has stuck around at Obama's request to transition it. So, when it comes to the big jam up, we are still somewhat relying on "Dad" to get us out of it.
What do you expect? Brokaw is one of you. Of course he's going to be easy on you. Boomers don't like accountability on themselves.
Perdidochas: Brokaw is one of Us? Wrong Crabmeat salad breath. (That's a Carson reference, not an insult) Brokaw was born in 1940. The Boomer generation is defined as those born between 1946 and 1964.
You're generalizing, I realize. I am a boomer. I didn't get college paid for and didn't watch my parents party it up, post-war. They were poor dirt farmers for most of my childhood. There was never enough money and entitlement wasn't an option. I am the one building a family business, which I hope my daughter will have the sense, desire and ability to take over one day. Thus, my comments are irrelevant. The comment on Morey Amsterdam -- hilarious. Loved that one.
I could write a book on this, and I'm bettin' it would be better than Brokaw's take. You wrote:

"The third generation doesn't understand the sacrifices made. Survival has never been in doubt in their lifetime. All they see is that there's enough money to buy them toys, and they feel a divine right of entitlement to same because their father was never there for them given he was out EARNING the money. They typically wind up cashing out of the family business or simply driving it into the ground as they spend more time chasing their next buzz rather than their next customer based on having learned how to party well in college paid for in full by their parents."

I don't know if you intended that as a bio for W, but you certainly nailed him. However, I assure you there are a lot of Boomers who knew poverty growing up, who knew all about bags of yellow corn mail, powdered milk and canned spam -- last resort sustenance fool courtesy of the USDA.

The Fifties weren't quite like Ronald Reagan misremembered them. And in my book, no one did more to promote selfishness and greed than Reagan, Greenspan and the supply-siders who were of the so-called greatest generation. And yes, to their discredit, Boomers were far too easy marks for Voodoo Economics.

But Boomers were also victims of circumstance, too, having come into their own at a time when TV and Madison Avenue combined to create the greatest consumer generation in history -- a condition made possible by nefarious banksters.

But while the Boomer generation contributed significantly to the downfall, they also contributed significantly to fulfilling America's long ago promised equality for all men -- and all woman -- something the "greatest generation" fought tooth and nail -- is still fighting tooth and nail.

Now that unions are on the decline and gobblization is in full swing, it will be interesting to see how consumerism is transformed as boomers no longer have the ability to sustain that madness. I'm guessing conspicuous consumption will be shelved by the masses in favor of meat and potatoes -- when they can afford them.
Jeff: Yeah, I agree with you to a point. We're a product of our culture and we got complacent. "Who says you can't have it all?" So it happened on our watch. Sucks to be us... or our kids, more specifically.

Ranting Boomer: As with any rant, there's exceptions to the rule. The moves for equality are quite clearly a positive of this era.

Tom: Sure, that could be a W bio, and the "if it feels good, do it" hedonism of the free love generation could be a bio for the other boomer president, but I was trying to keep this thing non partisan as possible. Bill was in the Brokaw thing and answered directly the question about being the "Boomer In Chief" for essentially embodying the good and bad of the generation and the so-called unfilled potential given we derailed ourselves with our lack of restraint. That latter part goes to your final comment, no?
Bubba and Dubya -- now there's a book title. As young men, Bubba represented the bright side and Dubya the dark side of the Sixties . But as leaders, they both failed -- Bubba was Lost Promise and Dubya Wretched Excess. Neither of them ever really grew-up, Bubba remained a facile, charming school-boy on the make, and Dubya was a pouting prodigal preppy filled with oedipal rage.

But it must be remembered that millions voted for them, so what does that make those millions?
Tom: Absolutely. Neither one needs to worry about picking a profile to be chiseled into Rushmore. Odd how each also had to rely a little on Bush the Elder in various ways. Clinton to give him a little ex president Gravitas as they did some genuinely good things together on humanitarian efforts and W on foreign policy matters late in the term through old allies/proteges.
Wow. I hadn't looked at it from this perspective. Now I want the Boomers to come through, fix things, make them better and leave a damn noble legacy when all the dust settles.
Well, there are good people and there are jerks in every generation.

That said, you missed an important thing: by and large, the baby boomers did not raise their own children to be competent or self-reliant adults. This isn't a political cliche "pull-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps" statement here. This is my observation of a lot of my own cohort (I'm 29 and the child of two baby boomers). They simply cannot figure shit out for themselves. They do not attempt to solve any problem themselves before whining for help. They can't make a choice on ANYTHING.

And they're scared to death that any failure is permanent.

I attribute it largely to over-supervision in childhood. Childrearing really became a project, and not so much something that you just did alongside everything else you did.

The ones of my cohort that are now mothers...ye Gods. There are of course exceptions, but for the most part they drive me insane.
they should make us all wear Davy Crockett hats and put us in concentration camps
Geoff -- 46 of the 100 Senators were born before 1946 which is the beginning of Boomer era. Since you need 60 votes to anything in the Senate, you don't even have a super majority of boomers there. If you add in Teddy Kennedy and Biden you would have 48 born before 46, but that's cheating. The greatest generation is still represented there.
Leeandra: I would agree, but notice what is being done in there. You are saying they did not raise them to be competent adults. In short, putting the blame on parents. This would seem to suggest they allowed their children to pick up THEIR family pattern, as, if there is one thing boomers are good at, it is blaming others for their problems. Personal Accountability died a long, long time ago, sadly.

NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!

Noah: That made me laugh out loud!

OE: Sure. Congress is older than the nation as a whole. I get that. We drive the agenda, or did, as the largest segment at 78M in a country of what? Now we will grab the seats...

Deborah: Think of our legacy the way I think of living in an antique home. You look around, invest here, invest there. At the end of the day you hope you leave the old antique in better shape than you found it. I doubt Boomers will be able to make this claim about the country...
Brokaw’s Boomer$ was an embarrassing failure for CNBC. By ignoring the growing consensus among actual experts that there were two distinct generations born in the post-WWII boom in births, the show was a mess of confusion and inaccuracy.

Most people born 1946-1964 (which the show defines as the Baby Boom Generation) who watched this show would not have related to it. This is because the practically the whole show described those born in the first half of that period (the real Boomer Generation) while almost completely ignoring those born in the second half (Generation Jones). And far more babies were born during the GenJones years, which makes the fundamental idiocy of this show that much more pronounced.

The images of childhood presented were almost all those of the real Boomers: Coonskin hats, hula hoops, Howdy Doody, school bomb drills, ovaltine, etc., etc. Most Jonesers weren’t even born then. Where was the Brady Bunch and Partridge Family, Easy Bake Ovens and Beany Coptors, etc. etc. which Jonesers grew up with? The teen/young adult years presented were those of the real Boomers: Vietnam and anti-war protests, Woodstock and hippy counterculture. But Jonesers were just little kids then, not a part of any of that. Where were GenJones teen cultural touchstones like disco and heavy metal, Farah Fawcett and David Cassidy posters?

The show was filled with contradictions. It referred to Obama as a Boomer. But this was the same network that kept talking about the generational change at last year’s Inaugural. So the Boomers were passing the generational torch to the…Boomers?! The show repeatedly stated that the Boomers were the offspring of the Greatest (WWII) Generation. Does that mean the Silent Generation (between the WWII Gen and Boomers) didn’t have any children? In reality, most Jonesers were born to Silent Gen parents. This is one of many reasons why Jonesers are so different than Boomers, since experts emphzsize the big contrast between the Silent gen vs. the WWII Gen and parental influences are so crucial to the formation of generational personalities.

For our entire life cycle, we Jonesers have been mistakenly lumped in with the Boomers (and blamed for their excesses), while getting very few of the benefits. We are not Boomers. Every national poll on this question confirms that we don’t believe we are Boomers. Mountains of data confirm the clear differences in values, attitudes, etc. between Boomers and Jonesers. Most actual experts believe GenJones exists. Yet, CNBC ignores this and puts out this show using that old widely-discredited 1946-1964 Boomer definition.

Generations are a function of the common formative experiences of its members, not the fertility rates of its parents. There was a demographic baby boom 1946-1964, but the Boomer Generation was born around 1942-1953, while GenJones was born around 1954-1965. This is what actual experts say, as opposed to clueless media companies who don’t bother to research current expert opinion.

Thankfully, many in the media have paid attention to the experts, and GenJones has been getting lots of media attention. Many major mainstream media companies now use the term; in fact, the Associated Press' annual Trend Report chose the Rise of Generation Jones as the #1 trend of 2009. We Jonesers need to help spread awareness about our long-lost generation to help avoid the imbecility of shows like Brokaw’s Boomer$.

Here are some of the good links about GenJones I found:

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20090127/column27_st.art.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ta_Du5K0jk

http://generationjones.com/2009latest.html
I don't agree with all you say Geoff, but I admire your argument and how you say it. SO much to absorb. Brokaw certainly can generalize.
@Looking Around
I'm with you completely on this one, tho I've never heard of Generation Jones before. There were five kids in my family, and there is a world of difference between the three oldest (I am the oldest) and the two youngest -- tho by common definition they would all be Boomers. The youngest have a completely different set of cultural icons and they were confronted with a culture in which drug use was much more pervasive.
Just lost a very long comment. It's hard to recreate so this is the best I can do: I rate this post Gwool for thougtfulness and a sense of history. I do not however agree with this typical boomer bashing.

In my memory, we were not spoiled rich kids. Most of us were distainful of money but studied hard, paid back student loans, small though they were. We gathered in huge numbers for justice, which we really cared about. Tried to stop the Vietnam war, tried to see gender inequalities and were against racism. Gay liberation started back then. We were industrious if yes also fun loving, music loving, devoted to sex n' sin as well. But we were moral and no one I knew in the sixties were from great wealth; the vast majority were either working or middle class. (And I went on).

Can someone tell me why we are always the butt of dislike. We read dense books and applied them to our civic lives, we read the NYRB, and we translated what we read into ACTION. We were not selfish but working for justice. No, we didn't cave to Madison Avenue, they co-opted us. In NYC, and we were not conspicuous consumers, surely not in our youth. Where does this distain, and not meaning you Gwool, but from so many come from? As a wise man said, "For us youth was not wasted on the young."

We were passionate and we risked our lives in the south and got tear-gassed or killed for our peaceful protests. We maybe did not think much of having money but that wasn't avarice that was naive indifference. I think we were an exemplary generation, and as for our kids:

Surely Alan Greenspan was not one of us, nor W. Bill C was and was not. I mean the typical boomer was all about learning how the world works and if our kids are gong to pay for that, it was not us who made the financial killings, it was us who did not care about materialism. And we did not drink, we smoked dope which was a whole lot better.

Am sorry to be negative about all the work you obviously put in here but I read stuff about our generation that is snide all the time. I would love someone to explain to me how our idealism and our acceptance of the stranger among us and our anti-establishment ideas are what have poisoned our kids.

We had kids late or not at all, and we are not the ruling elite that is going to make their lives hard. We were all about justice and fun, marching and fun, working hard to learn along with fun. What about all of this is worthy of so much distain. I never understand this. Would LOVE someone to explain to me why we are scorned.
brokow was spouting enough bullshite to fill a barn. and while a admire your premise, i don't agree with much of it.

i don't remember many rich kids. my world was more like wendyo's. life was more rural then for much of the nation.

there was no sense of entitlement. we knew there were wrongs in the world and stepped up to make changes. i had an older brother do 3 tours in nam...i still marched against the war. NOT against him, but against his having to be there. against a government that was lying to us.

there are elitist boomers and regular boomers as there are elitist and regulars in every society. the haves and the have nots. there are even more today.

painting with such a broad brush always obscures the vital details. jmho.
I think you are too hard on the Boomers.
They have ticked me off in my life, because they don't want to get off the stage, like Mick Jagger.
To be fair, I think that part of it is they feel inadequate compared to their parents, but then what were they supposed to do?
No one really wants a world war or great depression, if you can avoid it.
Having said that, Vietnam clearly blew apart the social consensus, which was why the Russians and Chinese put us in that box. It was a tough call, in the end.
What we need it seems to me is to finally give Generation X its chance to move up, if Gen X will lose the bitteness over divorce, which is real source of the attitudinal issue that some Boomers correctly don't like, but, they need to get over the idea the Gen X is young, because that reflects the Boomers refusing to acknowledge their own mortality, when what we desperately need is a new social contract across the generations.
Looking Around: As someone born in 1959 with siblings born in 1946 and 1948, I can totally relate to this Generation Jones thing. I want in on taht, as I was just a kid watching my brother and sister check out the draft lottery numbers and the like. It was in my household, to be sure, but I was the kid brother.

I will hit others later. Oven timer is beeping....
"We deserve to be slapped around way harder than that for the way in which we have pissed away the legacy."

Really? Should we feel bad? Why wouldn't we have "pissed away the legacy"? What's so great about the goddam legacy? We, US, bombed the crap out of a lot of civilians and we, US, haven't quit doing it. Some legacy. Isn't that what the boomers are about: make love - not war?
I Googled GenJones, and discussed I'd managed to miss the
ongoing discussion. The distinction makes sense. I was born in
1956 - way too young for Woodstock. Missed the draft by a couple
of years, which in one way is a sharp cutoff.

When I was a kid, somewhere around 1967, I remember reading an article in Time where the magazine was attempting to analyze the hippies. They quoted one such Boomer, attempting the scare the
older folk, saying something like, "just wait, the younger kids coming
up will be even wilder." It didn't really happen.
Another thing it seems to me is that because of elevated births in compressed times, compared to what later generations like Gen X, for example, Boomers can be irritatingly competitive about distributional things, and not focused on getting things done, when Gen X has seen an absolute fall in the living standard of the bottom half, and is told to shut up and wait till we are older, and we are forty, which is middle aged, and to me, it is like Jagger, who should have stopped a while ago, and I love the Stones.
One other thing. The Boomers are trying to skip over Generation X, and pass off power someday to people in Gen Y, and I taught them and the Boomers are high about that working out at this point, because they are too young.
The best thing about Boomer-ang was the cars.
In particular the 1967 Pontiac Lemans convertible.
Sweet.
Your writing is amazing, easy to read, and filled with humor and pathos all at once. Yet I completely disagree with you. I am tired of people beating on the Boomers. I was born during the year that produced the most Boomers which means I started my work life during the last great recession and now my children are starting their work life in this Great Recession. Some legacy? Every generation has its heroes and zeroes -- hard to paint us all with the same brush.

R for writing.
Lewis Black made similar comments about Clinton and Bush when performing in Gainesville this week ;0)
Wait, so Vietnam, the Cold War, two gulf wars, the invention of the internet, a whole lotta disaster relief, culture, art, music medicine, space exploration...

...nahhh...forget it. It's all on deaf ears, because the greatest generation CAN'T HEAR!
A Gen X'er responded :)
Man, what a raucous, brillian screed. You must have read hunter Thompson somewhere along the way. One could take the approach of tossing off some counter-examples and nuances but that'd be a sideroad, I think. You've got it pretty much right.

I do wonder about the personalization. Since it's a common phenomenon that the third generation runs the family business into the ground, is it the avoidable failings of the wayward grandkids or something inherent in the human condition? If the latter, shouldn't that more invite an attitude of resignation rather than indignation?

Great and thought-provoking post.
you think that's funny, eric? wait till you see the shit hit the fan when they won't try to take the clicker from me so i can't watch jon stewart! :-)
sorry...it's late. take out the 'won't'
Brokaw can go Cheney himself.

"The Greatest Generation" is a fucking LIE -- lavishly exposed by (of all people) Clint Eastwood in his highly underrated "Flags of Our Fathers."
Bonnie: I hate to admit it, but I like the guy. Sure it is a tad homespun, but, hell, he is homespun. He’s genuine, and he is interested in the history of it. He’s such relic in the current day and age of gotch journalism. Russert was like him but with a bit more of an edge. Chuck Todd is another good one. Hell, Joe Scarborough is tempering into one, as well, from a commentator’s angle.

Lea: Oh, hell I am well aware it’s a generalization and appreciate the respectful disagreement. It is real easy being civil when in agreement. It actually is simply a regurge of a rant I have had for years as sort of an amateur stand up comedy routine. I was watchingt this thing on Delay due to insomnia when my son came home. So I did the rant to him, we got laughing, and I decided to write it up. It’s a broad generation that saw quite a lot of controversial change in its life…

Wendyo: Very interesting perspective. I need to think about it. But, yeah, I can see how one can argue those who kept “walking the walk” do not merit it as much as those who dabbled in it. True hippies went off and left people along. HUGs, or Hippies Until Graduation after which they bought into the Michelob Light jingle and became Michael Douglas in Wall Street, likely do. I acknowledge and cede the point! 


Craze: I dunno. I kind of like the Generation Jones thing. If it cuts it in the middle, then 55 to 64 gets a hall pass on this tirade. 

Missing: See above reply to Wendyo.
Pfffft, you old folks should just go back to the Old Folks' home, smoke your peace pipe or whatever it is you old timers smoke and remember the time you got laid by that hippy chick who became the nagging ex-wife!!

PFFFFTT!! ;)

Gen X is truely going to be a crappy old timers soon, we won't even be able to remember the Summer of Love, except well the Summer of 89 was pretty good, from what I remember!! ;)

Rated. And congrats on EPed and getting Sarah Palin to appear in your ad!! :D
So let me get this straight: My parents were born to folks who grew up in the Depression, fought WWII then came home and enjoyed the full flower of the Post-War Boom. Mom and Dad then spent their childhoods in the universe of spreading TV, suburban explosion and the Ike Era. They went to college in the '60s while their friends went to Vietnam and their siblings protested it.

Meanwhile, I spent my first few years in the '60s. Watergate is my first political memory and I was still a child during the Bicentennial. I lived through my parents' divorce (as was becoming common with classmates) saw disco and punk at their zenith as I entered middle school and I graduated in the midst of the Reagan Era.

But my parents aren't Boomers and I am simply because they were born in '43 and I was made my entrance in '64? Yeah, right.

When I compare my values, experiences, perspectives and tastes to other generations I seem to have more in common with Gen Xers than Boomers.

These fallacious and seemingly capricious generational brackets imposed by marketing forces often fall apart when dragged into the light of individual human experience.

And Brokaw's reverence for the Greatest Generation certainly comes across as a Boomer exercising parental worship and hoping the same reflexive prostration can translate to bucks in his pocket...regardless of his birth year.
Don: Interesting take re: gen X and divorce. Not sure about all of that as mine was a little atypical….

Ozmoses: Therein lies the point. That which we derided really has not changed.

Don: Interesting take, unless it is a collaborative thing in terms of mentoring which the younger generation will take and the other one would not?

Grapeshot: Ah, but rig rag tops … I have a 1976 Eldo Convertible.

Bernadine: Thanks … I think. :)

Dorinda: I LOVE LEWIS BLACK. It would not surprise me in the slightest that he would have such a wry observation about those two. Neither is likely to wind up ikn the above average or excellent ranking categories when history is done with them…

Xenon: It simply shows how that which was promised was unrealized …

Abrawang: It is the nature/nurture. They – in the generational business succession model – have only the limited experience of success and do not appreciate the work it takes or the precaution one must take for the event that it turns for the worse. Gen 3 can also be a little resentful that “dad is always away” or what have you whereas Gen 2 understood it was that kind of hard work and driven attitude that got them the success in the first place…

Eric/Missing: Yeah, it’ll be the battle between Stewart and Leno, who will be doing the tonight show in his 80s.

DavidE: I disagree that it proves it a LIE. Any general discussion of broad groups of people based solely on their age will have its conflicting trends or examples.


Tink: You’re a gen X. Get off my lawn, you snot nosed little shit! :)

Kevin: Seems to me you should look at the comments about Generation Jones or whatever it was.
Very interesting discussion. Born in 1950, I too have to move over to the "too much generalization" camp. Every generation will have the right & the left, the up and the down, the rich and the poor, the ying and the yang. There may have been more of us, but we still saw war, draft lotteries, poverty, assasinations, the civil rights movement, I think we did a whole lot more than just piss away our parents money.
Thanks Gwool for this lively discussion.
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I got my first job in 1966 and paid social security from that day forward. I gave half of my check to my mother because we were poor. Even so, I did believe in Peace and Love.

I paid my own way through school, though good ole Gov. Ronnie Ray-Gun shot the shit out of the UC system in California and ruined what had been available to the post war generation. Apparently my generation didn't deserve an equal opportunity for a college education. My husband, born in 1939, paid $45 per semester for tuition in 1957 at UC Berkeley and his tuition rose to $90 in 1962 when he graduated. His entire educational expense for a five year architectural degree was less than $16,000 including his housing and meals and any expense he had at all.

If my life had gone by the middle class plan I would have started college in the Fall of 1968. I didn't, I couldn't afford the UC system even though I was a California native. By the time I was going to school in the seventies at University of Maryland I was paying so much more it blows my mind. I spent nearly as much as my husband did for his entire education for just a year of school by attending Summer classes, but I could only get student aid for about 2/3 of my expenses and was required to work for minimum wage in the work study program at the University as an adult student who made the Dean's List academically.

I've worked my ass off all my life and I've shared what I have. Every generation has its selfish a-holes. Painting everyone with that shit stick you used is just not funny or deserved.
Simplistic generalizing about generations is just plain stupid. After all it was the "Greatest" Generation that got their own kids trapped in the nightmare that was Vietnam.
Another of the "Greatest", Ronald Reagan, started us down the road to insolvency with his supply side, taxes pay for themselves, greed is good, free market fundamentalism.
Women should read Gail Collins' "When Everything Changed" to learn how well they would be treated if the "Greatest" were still in charge.
Every generation has its strengths and weaknesses. Boomers have raised a generation of kids who are demonstrably much less bigoted than any generation before them. That should count for a lot. Unfortunately it doesn't.
Freeborn: Well, the comment seemed fine until the final sentence. Generalizations are neither good, nor evil. The simply highlight the prevailing sentiment. It is akin to market segmentation defining a target market. It never means that ALL fit the profile. It is also the way of historians to frame eras. Ours will be one of a group divided early over vietnam and "free love" (later morphing into Family Values, oh the irony) who stooped at nothing to insult one another politically over those disagreements through the decades we were relevant to american society. This latter poisons discourse today and had a slight blip in popularity when Clinton discussed it in part as the politics of personal destruction.

Elizabeth: Actually Ronnie was too old to be in the greatest generation. And have been thinking about the age of the elected officials in the ages when we, boomers, at 78 million strong, have been voting. Is it the age of the polls, or the fact we get who we vote for, with "we" obviously the generalization of those on the side that got to 51, so to speak. Not sure. Generalizations has morphed into a dirty word, when, in actuality it is the basis for building consensus, for defining market opportunities, and all of the rest. You look at disparate groups and try to find sufficient commonalities.
This is a great analysis of the generations and their quirks and particularities. rated!
What happened at Iwo Jima is not a matter of "trends" or "examples." There's the truth and there's the steaming pile we've been sold for years.
Caroline: Thanks!

David: I am unclear the connection.
boomers, scmoomers.
yea, but everyone is product of their environment
and people are all alike basically
yet I agree
The "connection" is simply that "The Greatest Generation" are the REAL "Whiney-assed Titty-Babies."

Haven't you noticed them at their "Tea Parties"?
Methinks you simplify things too much. The arc of empire, politics, and economics are thing s seperate from the "shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations" mantra. And I think that my generation is a lot more complex than what you're talking about. I know hippies, some homeless people, and billionaire boomers; and that makes it very hard for me to put my generation into a box with a neat ribbon on it.

But then, on the other hand, you might be right if you factor in global warming. Our consumption has gotten this planet into the position that there might not be many generations left.

Gw, as usual you do an excellent piece of writing. I have great respect for you, even if you are a Republican! ;)
Very funny, thank you. Here's my problem: as a trailing boomer, I feel my political life has been hijacked. Instead of peace and love and understanding since the 1970s we got Lee Atwater and Karl Rove, Reagan and Shrub. I get that some people need to salute, and lie, cheat, and steal, and put people down. Oh, and act stupid when it comes to evolution and climate change. But it's one hell of a way to run a country for three three decades of my adult life. Even bozos like Clinton and Obama were and are Republican lite in the policy sense, not FDR Democrats. They're as eager to suck up to corporate power as the most starry-eyed Young Republican.

It almost makes me want to pack off to a normal first world country like Norway or Canada where people are tolerant and pull together to lead decent lives regardless of your economic status. Yet this is my country, too, and I have an equal right to be here. Even if we have become a banana republic where the richest .5% of Americans run everything.

So yuck it up. But I am some other number of boomers feel ripped off and hijacked. Greed is not always good. And we can do far better than the kill joys who have run this country since the late 1970s.
Ehrenstein,

"Tea parties" are a boomer/Gen X thing. The Greatest Generation is dying of old age (the youngest Great generation folks are 85 yrs old). The Silent Generation (i.e. Clint Eastwood, etc.) which followed the Greatest (1925-1941) are at least 69 yrs old.
Random, but I couldn't sleep last night (anxiety, kid was sick)... I turned the tv on and Brokaw was on Meet the Press (I think it was Meet the Press)...

It instantly soothed me and I went to sleep. Why? I have no idea.
I'm a little late on the uptake, but after reading this blog and comments I must add at least 2 cents. I think that we forget the emotional roller coaster that many boomers experienced as teens. Full of hopes and the kind of "save the world" dreams that Brokaw claims accounts for our "unrealized" status (we promised to change the world for the better), we attempted to cut against the grain of the status quo. But, the powers that be (whom ever they were) would have none of it. It an attempt to bring about social evolution we trampled their mainstay of "might makes right." Yes, our parents generation bet the farm on the fact that they emerged as victorious through military might and then set out to prove that to the victors go the spoils. They became revisionists by skewing history into one big patriotic ego-fest, ignoring the contribution that battle-scarred Europe made in defeating the Nazis and making America (who stayed out of the war until the last minute; brought in fresh troops and new equipment and tapped into the genius of European scientists who had escaped war torn countries to create a doomsday bomb to end it all) the end all - be all in world domination. They then laughed all the way to the bank as the only country left in tact to manufacture and import the badly needed goods to Europe. Boomers are painted, in some of this conversation, as silver-spooners, as some may have been. But, worse that material wealth, my recollection is that of an incredible haughty spirit that, like Muhammad Ali, announced to the world: We Are The Greatest!
With that attitude came a tyrannical ideology that I Am Right and You Are Wrong. This was evident in parenting styles, political supremacy (Nixon: "If the President says so it's not illegal..") and in the social strata, i.e keeping people in their place. As Boomers reached adolescence they rebelled against the tyranny. They fought for the rights of others, as well as their own.
When the powerful could not contain the movement they killed the leaders. With their leaders gone, the dream was dismantled. Those who tried to pick up the pieces were maligned (swift-boated) and discredited with lies. The "Greatest" Generation was loath to give up their claim to be just that and their snotty-nosed children were not going to take control. Escalating the war was the thing to do. The military would make "men" out of them. That worked out well.
Little by little, broken and grief-stricken, boomers gave in to the pompous asses and sank into political obscurity. Like captives suffering from Stockholm Syndrome many boomers began believing that our captives were right and that they wanted the best for us. After all we were just a bunch of rebellious young kids. And, what better way to redirect all of that youthful angst...Turn your life to Jesus. Religion became the answer to feeling like you belonged, to fighting for a cause and to devoting your life to the greater good. All of the things that Boomers tried to do on a social level. Let the brainwashing begin.
Many of us tried to fill the immense hole in our hearts with a self-indulgence of historic proportion and our parents generation was happy to promote it...anything to keep us lulled into thinking that America had an endless supply of wealth for those who towed the line. Consumerism wasn't too bad for their pocketbooks either.
Obama stirred those old hopes and "unrealized" dreams for many of us. But, it is obvious that the converts to our parent's generational power mongering have chosen to carry the torch. The same tactics are being used to squash the rebellion once again. The only question for the Boomers is: Will we let it happen again? If so, we will fulfill Brokaw's assessment and never realize our potential or fulfill our dream.
Boomers faced down big challenges early and knew the feeling of impacting Washington: the draft, racism, women's rights, etc. There were those who resisted change, and unfortunately they gave us leaders like Nixon and Bush who fulfilled the prophecy of the Airplane: When the truth is found to be lies, all the joy within you dies. We have been deadened by fear-mongering and betrayal.

But wait. Exhiliration over health care reform may show sparks that can be ignited yet. Doesn't it seem aligned with Boomer history that the force for compassion (the Beatles' love, love, love) on Sunday defeated the blue meanies? Lets savor it.
It was the "Greatest Generation" that gave us the debacle of Vietnam and Watergate. It was Rumsfeld and Cheney, neither one a baby boomer, who were the chief architects of the Iraq War, complete with torture. (I have to admit that it was a baby boomer General Geoffrey Miller who trained the torturers - I went to high school with that punk.) It was not a baby boomer that assassinated JFK, MLK or Bobby.

It was the so-called Greatest Generation that created the philosophy of free market fundamentalism. Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand and the uber-saleman of free markets, Ronald Reagan and Alan Greenspan were hardly baby boomers.

A lot of the tea party types who are going off the deep end over Obama are from the Greatest Generation and the Korean War Generation. They have been on taxpayer-funded Social Security and Medicare for years yet fight against government being involved in health care.

People are people. Demonizing one generation while idolizing another is juvenile.
I enjoyed Jon Zobenica's article in the May issue of Atlantic Monthly, seen here