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NOVEMBER 12, 2008 10:18PM

El Coyote Statement On Prop 8 Goes Down In Flames

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lastsupper1The famous Los Angeles Mexican Restaurant El Coyote is at the center of directed anger over the passing of Prop 8. It seems the manager and owner's daughter, Marjorie Christoffersen, donated money through her Mormon church to Yes on Prop 8. For those who don't already know, Prop 8 bans gay marriages in the state of California and was passed in the November 4th election. Sad but true. As word got out about Ms. Christoffersen's donation, many in the community talked of a boycott. In an attempt to get in front of that potentially disastrous demonstration, El Coyote held a press conference today. There, the floor manager stated that "El Coyote DOES NOT share the same views as Marjorie." He also stated that 89 families would be effected if the restaurant were boycotted to which a community member responded, "18,000 families already HAVE been affected!" 

According to shutupiknow.blogspot.com, Ms. Christoffersen came out and spoke to the crowd. She asked for forgiveness and said that "El Coyote is as diverse as its clientele. Customers are considered part of the family and I responded to the call of the Mormon Church to donate." She continued, "It saddens me that my faith keeps you away from The Coyote. I can not and WILL NOT change my lifelong commitment to the Mormon Church. I can not and will not change my commitment to you." Another community member asked her if she was willing to donate to No on Prop 8 and Ms. Christoffersen apparently started crying and said, "I will not." That's when the place went wild. One of Ms. Christoffersen's daughters stepped up and said, "The church just tells you when to donate, it doesn't tell you how to vote. It very, very rarely tells you how to vote. Marjorie is your friend-" at which point someone yelled, "SHE IS NOT MY FRIEND. FRIENDS DON'T HELP TAKE THE RIGHTS AWAY OF OTHER FRIENDS AND THEN BLAME IT ON THEIR CHURCH!" People applauded. When also asked if she would do anything to counteract what she had done, Ms. Christoffersen replied, "No" at which point the place went wild again with calls of "This is Bullshit!" and "Boycott El Coyote!"as Ms. Christoffersen was escorted out of the room. 

While I am actively opposed to Prop 8, voted against it on November 4th and hope to see it torn down, I have mixed feelings about boycotting El Coyote. Well, let me rephrase that: I'm already boycotting El Coyote, but only because the food sucks. Not for Ms. Christoffersen's unfortunate views. And while I find it sad that Ms. Christoffersen and her church have such backward views of people and the world, I don't think the restaurant itself should pay for her personal beliefs. There are many staff members at El Coyote who are gay and many others who I am sure voted against Prop 8, maybe even donated their hard-earned money to the cause. To ask Ms. Christoffersen to choose between her beliefs and the success of her restaurant and its employees seems somehow unfair. Unless I'm missing something. Emotions are high and Prop 8 is a big deal as it limits people's rights and will amend the Constitution to NOT allow someone to have the same rights as another, as we once did when it was illegal for a black person and a white person to marry. Shameful days, indeed. However, I support Ms. Christoffersen's right to have her own opinion and make her own choices. This is America. And Ms. Christoffersen and the Mormon church are NOT El Coyote and its employees. 

And while we're on the subject, if there's anyone left out there who hasn't already seen Keith Olbermann's take on Prop 8, you can watch it now. I will say that I sometimes find Olbermann to be a bit overdramatic and slightly self-righteous in his commentaries. Even though I often share his opinions. And here he makes quite an impassioned commentary on the sad state of affairs that allowed Prop 8 to pass. Very worth a listen. But I still don't support a boycott of El Coyote. Unless it's for the bad food.  

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Wow, thanks for the story there. I do think it's important to keep in mind that people are affected on both sides of this boycott issue. I'm shocked at how much I completely agree with you, even your opinion of Keith Olbermann seems exactly in-sync with mine! But I too was touched by his plea to Prop 8 supporters. It is about love, you know. It IS a lonely world out there. Why would you take comfort and solace away from anyone in this crazy world?
Thanks for your comments at my place... yes, a painful issue. And I would support those who choose to boycott and those who choose to go. Heartrending.
Hey Hal, you broke this down very well. There are too many victims in this story, all because one woman cannot see past her dogma to see how little this impacts her, but hurts millions.

And thanks for the Olbermann insert. That's the best thing I've ever heard him say.
What, are you kidding? You think gay people should continue to give our money to a business that will then donate it to an anti-gay cause? I would never go to a restaurant that was supporting anti-semitic groups, or anti-black groups. Somehow gays are expected to be moderate in their anger even by many liberals. We're sick of being told to wait for our rights!
I have trouble with boycotts, because they are so often poorly targeted, and the choices are rarely crystal clear. (Boycotting all of Utah, for example, is extremely unfair to the non-LDS Navajo and Utes who don't have the resources either to pack up and move or to lobby effectively.)

Every El Coyote patron is going to have to decide whether their support for same-sex marriage is worth throwing the already-low-income families of 89 workers into poverty, but there are ways to mitigate that somewhat. How many would consider helping those employees find new jobs? Or making sure they had food and housing?

Several years ago, a similar conflict faced a proposed boycott of fast-food restaurants that buy from vegetable producers that pay their pickers extremely low wages. What if nothing was accomplished but to put a whole bunch of people out of work? Do we have a different responsibility to people in our own communities than to people farther away?

Hard questions, but seeing the nuances certainly helps in the decisions.
Polaro,

You seemed to miss the point of what I wrote. or perhaps I wasn't clear. I, too, hate that anyone has to wait for equal rights. And I would never ask anyone to support a restaurant that does not support equal rights. And I'm not asking you personally to support El Coyote. However, what I am saying is that the manager of El Coyote gave money privately through her church to support her personal belief. It was not done through the restaurant or any corporation affiliated with the restaurant. And the restaurant staff and floor manager have publicly stated that they DO NOT share Marjorie's views. Had this been done as El Coyote, then the boycott would be fair in my eyes. As it stands now, you are asking others, beyond yourself, to inflict damage on an establishment that does not, itself, support Yes on Prop 8. I understand that the money Marjorie makes in her life comes from her job at El Coyote, but I have to support EVERY individuals right to make their own decisions about what they believe in politically, socially, financially and religiously. Even if I find it sad and unfortunate and extremely closed-minded. In my opinion, we must all be careful to not discriminate against other people's beliefs and their right to have those beliefs and express them in their private lives. If Marjorie had hung Yes on Prop 8 signs up at the restaurant, or had made a donation to that cause through the restaurant, that would be a whole other situation, But that's not this one. This is a slippery slope and, I believe at the moment, one that has more to do with hurt, betrayal and anger than with reason. I do not see ANYTHING POSITIVE coming from this boycott. What I see is a widening of the gap of understanding. We should all be more evolved than Marjorie. And in doing so we should understand her in a way she seems unable, currently, to understand you and your rights fully. However, with a different approach, one of education and understanding, she may have come around, or a nugget of truth may have been placed in her heart and mind that may have manifested into something wonderful. Remember, many of her favorite customers are gays and lesbians. She is someone who has real faces to place on the choices she is making; she has people who could directly express their hurt, sadness and sense of betrayal to her directly. People she sees as human beings, despite her inability to currently comprehend what her actions mean to your life. This was a wonderful opportunity potentially lost in a maelstrom of anger and disappointment. What has been achieved, most likely, is a deeper rift. Marjorie will most likely embrace her church and its community even more deeply now. When I learned my sister was going to vote for McCain, I called her up and, instead of yelling or accusing or telling her she needed to change her views, I told her I was here to answer questions she may have and to help her understand exactly what she was doing so that when she voted, no matter who she voted for, she would be voting from a place of understanding and not just blindly hearing talking points and/or misinformation. We then talked for an hour and a half. She thanked me for this approach and shared with me that when our father had gotten angry with her and had thought her crazy for voting for McCain, that reaction made her want to vote for McCain even more. Not a very logical reaction, but a strong emotional one. And an understandable one. My instinct was to get upset and rant at my sister, but I refrained, asked myself what I wanted the result of my conversation with her to be, and changed my approach. I respected her. And she listened and engaged. That does not mean she voted for Obama, I truthfully don't know who she voted for. But there's a chance she did, where before there was none.

So, while I do understand the emotions at play here and mean in no way to diminish or belittle them, I do believe that what is happening over at El Coyote is not something that will help the cause, but simply help fuel more anger, hatred, resentment and, ultimately, result in more people taking a longer time in coming around to understanding this. Marjorie is not a villain. She is a human being. And right now she's one of those people who will soon be relegated to those unfortunate few who can't let go of their frightened beliefs, like those who still maintain that blacks or women should not share equal rights. But Marjorie is also one of those people caught in a very confusing and difficult position. She is being asked to choose between her church, religious community, and lifelong beliefs and her friends, patrons, and public community. This is not a choice that most people will be able to make overnight. It's confusing and frightening. It requires a complete reworking of how you see the world,who you trust, what you've believed in the past, what you feel in your gut. Given time, patience and understanding, Marjorie COULD become one of your greatest supporters. But that will never happen if you force her or try and punish her for her personal beliefs and her right to engage them. Again, I'm talking personal not professional here.

No one can stop gays and lesbians from attaining their equal rights. It's happening. Here. Now. The fact that this was even up for a vote, the fact that there are protests, the fact that stars and newscasters and journalists, mothers, fathers, kids are all speaking out publicly against Prop 8 is momentous. And growth and change is painful. And that's where we are. In the midst of growth and change. And all I ask is that we find ways to embrace that which will move us forward quicker, that which will educate, that which will close the divide and the misunderstanding. And not that which will fuel the hate and sense of victimization. That is too easy a path to go down. And that will make the whole process longer and even more painful. Ask what you want your end result to be. And then ask what is the best, smartest, most evolved way to go about attaining it. If you think boycotting El Coyote is the way, then it is your right to do so and I support your right. However, I will be taking a different path.
People are angry and it's healthy for everyone involved that it be expressed, as long as no violence occurs.
Why do you keep referring to Marjorie as the manager? Her family owns the restaurant!
I too feel sympathy for the workers there but is it our responsibility to continue to patronize a restaurant where we feel unwelcome?
STOP ASKING A MARGINALIZED GROUP TO BE LESS ANGRY!
P.S.
You don't even like the food there so what are you talking about?
It seems you still have not heard what what I have said. I am not asking you to patronize an establishment where you do not feel welcome. I have been clear about that. Or so I thought. You said that this was a way to vent anger. That is part of my issue here. Not that venting is a bad thing, but understand when you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. That's what I see here. I also see a bit of hypocrisy as I think this is another form of discrimination. And in response to your last question... Really? Did you really ask that? Um... this isn't an issue about the food or whether or not I like the restaurant. And Marjorie's family does indeed own the restaurant. And she is the manager. I still think you've confused the establishment with the person and I think your punishing someone for enacting their rights and trying to hurt them, not because you think it will help your cause, but because you felt hurt. I'm sorry we don't see this situation the same way.
You said you would "take a different path" than boycotting El Coyote. As you said " I'm already boycotting El Coyote, but only because the food sucks." So what's the different path? You're going to now start going to El Coyote? If you want to be sympathetic to homophobes, that's your choice.
People have been boycotting businesses for years for various reasons. I've always respected them. It's one way we express ourselves in a capitalist nation.
And I've never asked anyone to be less angry. You may want to consider re-reading what I've written. Perhaps once you've vented a bit more and can see this with fresh eyes. You seem to be lumping me into that group of your enemies and people who don't understand you or your cause. Once again, alienating people is not the best way to attain your goal. That's just my opinion. And I understand why you feel the way you do and why you are acting the way you are. And I feel it's healthy to express here a different view than yours. Especially when we want the same thing. I am not your enemy and am not trying to marginalize you.
Sympathetic to homophobes... Hmmm. I guess, yes. I'd like to be sympathetic to all people. Even one's who believe differently from myself. As I am sympathetic to you.
Who am I alienating? You? Do you feel less sympathetic towards gay people because of my comments?
You're patronizing posts show me the kind of person you are. You can marry the person you love, I can't.
You think boycotting a Mexican restaurant that gay people thought was gay-friendly is counterproductive, I think it's our way of saying we're not going to give you our money for you to use against us.
Oh really? Are you sympathetic to people who take things away from you? You don't get angry with people who take away something that you've worked for for years? Hmmm. You ARE a tolerant person.
Religion has to go, folks. It is anathema to reasonable society.
I'm sorry you found my post patronizing. I am standing here in a room of both gays and lesbians as well as heterosexuals at work. We all live within walking distance to El Coyote. Not one of them here feels the boycott is a healthy use of time or energy and are somewhat embarrassed by it. However, I understand that there are those, like yourself, who feel differently. That is your right. But understand that you, like I, do not speak for everyone. What is happening at El Coyote will alienate some people, even some gays and lesbians. Not from the cause, not from the bigger picture, but from that particular action and, perhaps, from those who are enacting it. It will, most certainly, alienate people who are confused, on the fence, torn. If you expect change to come without understanding those who will find it difficult, then I believe you will make the road that much longer, that much more difficult. That's all. As for me, I'm happy to say my commitment to my beliefs is stronger than anything one person could alienate me from. I respect you. And I disagree with you. I don't think there's much more that can be said here that isn't just going in circles. I wish you all the best.
Boycotting the restaurant over this? No easy answer there, I guess. Doing so might harm the well being of employees who had nothing to do with the owner’s religious ignorance and, so, it seems a little unfair to those employees. Perhaps more importantly, such a boycott will really have no overarching effect on the prop 8 issue. Seems like an empty gesture.
Yeah, I'm done with you too.
You're a straight person lecturing gay people. You're just rubbing salt into our newly re-opened wound.
Seems like there'd be better ways to channel the frustration, Polaro.
Of course there are better ways. I'm just talking about the small gesture of not going to a restaurant I used to go to.