Today I had this OS message from an Alert Reader (as Dave Barry would say): "Did someone named Roger Vaughn just copy your piece and put it down as his own?"
I visited the Vaughn blog (http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=114208) and whadya know? He writes that he is a priest, and he claims to have had almost exactly the same conversation with a Catholic priest that I had with a Muslim cab driver. It could almost make one believe in miracles.
I commented on his blog that I'd caught him red handed. Alert Reader then sent me this message: "I just looked at it again. He changed it totally."
I visited Vaughn's blog again, and he has diminished but not entirely eliminated his dependence on my blog. In the version Alert Reader and I first saw at his blog:
He starts with. "This morning I read another blogger's reflection on the Northern California ACLU saying, 'In the spirit of Valentine’s Day, it’s time to show some love. ... Love for the right to love and the right to marry. ... '"
To give my name and blog would have been upright, but at least he acknowledged the ACLU words we both quote. From there, he turns to plagiarism.
I wrote: I hope a happy marriage is in my future. I'll go along with everyone's right to have that same hope and, even better, to have the actuality.
- He wrote: I do hope a happy marriage is in our future .... Everyone has the right to have that same hope and, even better, to have the actuality.
I wrote: I see that as only a start. The question of equal protection under the law is a larger umbrella. I tried to explain this to a Muslim taxi driver in San Francisco not long ago. I don't know why he felt moved to tell me he strongly approves of Proposition 8, but he did, going on to say it is fine for gay people to love each other and live together. But not to marry.
- He wrote: But this is only the beginning. The question of equal protection under the law is a larger umbrella. I tried to explain this to a catholic priest not long ago. I don't know why he felt moved to tell me he strongly disapproves of Marriage Equality, but he did, going on to say it is fine for gay people to love each other and live together. But not to marry.
I wrote: I just said cheerfully, "Under the law, straights shouldn't be allowed to marry either then, should we? That's what equal protection means."
- He wrote: I offer[ed], "Under the law, straights shouldn't be allowed to marry either then, should they? That's what equal protection means."
I wrote: He told me God commands that marriage is between a man and a woman, and we must obey God's commandments.
- He wrote: The catholic priest told me God demands that marriage is between a man and a woman, and we must obey God's laws.
I wrote: I replied that in the USA we have (theoretically) separation of church and state, and therefore, what She commands is irrelevant when it comes to who may and may not marry legally.
- He wrote: I replied that in America we have separation of church and state, and therefore, what God commands is irrelevant when it comes to who may and may not marry legally.
I wrote: "If we outlaw marriage between gays," I said reasonably, "We should outlaw marriage between straights, too. The point isn't religious. It's legal: equal protection. The only legal way to deny gays the right to marry is to deny marriage to everyone."
He said we must obey God above all else.
- He wrote: "If we outlaw marriage between gays," I said reasonably, "We should outlaw marriage between straights, too. The point isn't religious. It's legal: equal protection. The only legal way to deny gays the right to marry is to deny marriage to everyone. He said we must obey God above all else.
I wrote: The Muslim and I – a confirmed Episcopalian who today is spiritual but finds all organized religions too sexist to support – went around the Maypole a few more times. With exemplary civility, the cab driver told me in various ways that God rules all, and I reframed my point about our Constitution ruling our laws.
- He wrote: The catholic priest and I, an ordained priest in a small independent jurisdiction - The Orthodix [sic]-Catholic Church of America - with sacramental rites for Gay Holy Unions and Marriages, am spiritual though I still find his male dominated autocratic denomination too sexist and homophobic to support – went a few more rounds without either gaining much ground.
I wrote: I tipped him twenty percent to demonstrate that we who take our Constitution seriously honor God's law about doing unto others as we would have them do unto us.
- He wrote: I reminded him of my point about our Constitution ruling our laws and that we who take our Constitution seriously honor God's law about doing unto others as we would have them do unto us.
His last paragraph was his own. And now he's rewritten the posting to make the, err, borrowing, less blatant.If immitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I could do with a tad less sincerity ....


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No apology? They are worst than bipolar?
This 'stuff' makes me know a need a ring.
A mood ring? A better good mood. Ding.
I gonna walk up to the greenhouse. Cool.
'Um need to wear soiled diaper? Pew sit.
But Rawley, be flattered. A man of "God" apparently feels you are a better spokesperson for tolerance and understanding than he himself is. And this genuinely is the most sincere (if absurd) form of flattery.
I don't get it. Why didn't he just post your piece and give you credit for it?
Weird.
Priests/rabbis ministers are supposedly held to a higher standard when they're just people, and can be venal as the next guy. This one should be called out... what's his freakin url, we'll all go tell him a thing or three!
A cut and paste job. Probably saved him some time to make up the idea and those pesky words.
Why here though? How naive can someone be to snatch and then not run very far?
It is hard to draw the lines around plagiarism in our cut & paste, copy, wikipedia world. I'm trying to teach my kids the boundaries when they write papers or the difference between "helping" a friend with her homework and "cheating."
But copying and claiming as one's own on the SAME blog site is a new low.
Good for you for calling FOUL!
Maybe a priest in the Kurch of Kleptomania. What would the patron saint be?
I had a similar situation recently when someone used one of the photographs I posted on OS as his own avatar. In that case I don't think the guy meant to "steal" anything -- he was new and probably just wasn't thinking. He changed it the next day. If he had asked -- hell, if he asked today I'd let him use it. As long as people ask I don't care. I've even sent original copies of photos to people who requested them.
Here I am for the third time. Wanted you to know that I flagged it for plagerism. I do believe this is covered under the TOS.
Buh bye Father.
:-)
Honestly, though...we should probably realize that a treasurechest of downright wonderful writing like OS = quite the free content source for desperate English Comp 100 and Intro to Poli Sci students.
That level of theft is pretty much standard nowadays. But seriously? Blogging a blog next door?
That's just STOOPID.
[And no, I will not soften that judgment.]
Has guilt set in? Has plagiarism met its match?
Can't imagine what he was thinking.
I'm astounded that an Alert Reader not only recognized it by knew who had originally written it. I probably would have thought that I just had already read it.
And it WAS incredibly stoopid.
"Code 300: User 21674 does not exist
Detailed information has been written into the error log."
It has been deleted not flounced.
good riddance!
It may simply be that he didn't understand the definition of plagiarism, and why it's stealing.
My SIL teaches in a well-regarded parochial school (middle grades, I think) and discovered that a large number of students had simply done a cut-n-paste from a source like Wikipedia for a project. No citations, no bothering even to change the wording.
The most frightening part of her story is the fact that many of the kids' parents complained when she doled out the failing grades. The parents themselves didn't understand why plagiarism was wrong.
Super Lame...
People that engage in plagiarism are just showing how much they realize that everyone is better than they are and how much they're incapable of doing anything worthwhile, creative, or original with their life.
I would never plagiarize anyone. That would be admitting that someone is better than I am. It would totally ruin my image as a self-centered, nihilistic jerk. I've worked hard for that image. No way I'm selling out on it now.
I'd go for the compensation. I'd bet if you asked for $500, you'd get a prompt check. $1000, maybe.
The way to write your letter is to quote the law on copyrights (you can Google it) and point out the similarities and the dates. You can investigate small claims court rules, if you like, and point those out.
There'd be less theft if plagiarism were promptly punished.
I'm doubtful. I checked out his first post (he only had two) and found that it was a very lightly edited article from Wikipedia. He got two complimentary comments on it. I think that a normal person would respond to such comments by saying, "Thanks, but the credit should really go to..."
I too had someone in another online site lift at least the premise of one of my pieces. It's not a bad idea for writers here to put a copyright symbol at the end of their pieces. It won't stop a thief, but it will give you some ammunition if you see your piece posted under their name.
Sorry to hear about this Hawley - but at least the asshole has good taste.
DCV, I read the posting at the link you gave and then searched for someone with the name you write about and found she has an OS site with one posting and what looks like her real name. Don't know for sure it's the same person who stole from you.
Con, some people who have sponsored blogs do make money from blogging. There's lots of info out there about how to get sponsors, although I'm sure success is relatively rare.
I suppose I could have just cut and pasted someone else's (better, clearer, more accurate) explanation of how that all works and posted it here as my own work . . . .
Rated.
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Invoke the Deities, demand an ordeal, and let the priests of Schmai-gunug interpret the outcome.
You should have a little more sympathy. Now that little boys are off-limits, he's probably casting about aimlessly for a new vice.
What you did here, to share it, is smart, too.
I worry that a little 10th grader looking to get out of an essay will get ahold of my blog.
My ideas are my bank account.
There is no way as of yet to protect our accounts on the net.
I read WIRED and Boing-Boing daily because they are always up on the latest cyber copyright laws.
I hope the jerk you caught red-handed gets his karmic ass kicked.
The plagiarist was not a writer, clearly. As only those of us who write can understand the joy that comes from one's innermost thoughts, shared with others.
Hawley, I think you handled this matter just right. Exposure was the answer.