Ellen Hawley Roddick

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FEBRUARY 17, 2009 1:49PM

I Was Robbed Right Here on Open Salon

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Today I had this OS message from an Alert Reader (as Dave Barry would say): "Did someone named Roger Vaughn just copy your piece and put it down as his own?"

I visited the Vaughn blog (http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=114208) and whadya know? He writes that he is a priest, and he claims to have had almost exactly the same conversation with a Catholic priest that I had with a Muslim cab driver. It could almost make one believe in miracles.

I commented on his blog that I'd caught him red handed. Alert Reader then sent me this message: "I just looked at it again. He changed it totally."

I visited Vaughn's blog again, and he has diminished but not entirely eliminated his dependence on my blog. In the version Alert Reader and  I first saw at his blog:

 He starts with. "This morning I read another blogger's reflection on the Northern California ACLU saying, 'In the spirit of Valentine’s Day, it’s time to show some love. ... Love for the right to love and the right to marry. ... '"

To give my name and blog would have been upright, but at least he acknowledged the ACLU words we both quote. From there, he turns to plagiarism.

I wrote: I hope a happy marriage is in my future. I'll go along with everyone's right to have that same hope and, even better, to have the actuality.

  • He wrote: I do hope a happy marriage is in our future .... Everyone has the right to have that same hope and, even better, to have the actuality.

I wrote: I see that as only a start. The question of equal protection under the law is a larger umbrella. I tried to explain this to a Muslim taxi driver in San Francisco not long ago. I don't know why he felt moved to tell me he strongly approves of Proposition 8, but he did, going on to say it is fine for gay people to love each other and live together. But not to marry.

  • He wrote: But this is only the beginning. The question of equal protection under the law is a larger umbrella. I tried to explain this to a catholic priest not long ago. I don't know why he felt moved to tell me he strongly disapproves of Marriage Equality, but he did, going on to say it is fine for gay people to love each other and live together. But not to marry.

I wrote: I just said cheerfully, "Under the law, straights shouldn't be allowed to marry either then, should we? That's what equal protection means."

  • He wrote: I offer[ed], "Under the law, straights shouldn't be allowed to marry either then, should they? That's what equal protection means."

I wrote: He told me God commands that marriage is between a man and a woman, and we must obey God's commandments.

  • He wrote: The catholic priest told me God demands that marriage is between a man and a woman, and we must obey God's laws.

I wrote: I replied that in the USA we have (theoretically) separation of church and state, and therefore, what She commands is irrelevant when it comes to who may and may not marry legally.

  • He wrote: I replied that in America we have separation of church and state, and therefore, what God commands is irrelevant when it comes to who may and may not marry legally.  

I wrote: "If we outlaw marriage between gays," I said reasonably, "We should outlaw marriage between straights, too. The point isn't religious. It's legal: equal protection. The only legal way to deny gays the right to marry is to deny marriage to everyone."

He said we must obey God above all else.

  • He wrote: "If we outlaw marriage between gays," I said reasonably, "We should outlaw marriage between straights, too. The point isn't religious. It's legal: equal protection. The only legal way to deny gays the right to marry is to deny marriage to everyone. He said we must obey God above all else.

I wrote: The Muslim and I – a confirmed Episcopalian who today is spiritual but finds all organized religions too sexist to support – went around the Maypole a few more times. With exemplary civility, the cab driver told me in various ways that God rules all, and I reframed my point about our Constitution ruling our laws.

  • He wrote: The catholic priest and I, an ordained priest in a small independent jurisdiction - The Orthodix [sic]-Catholic Church of America - with sacramental rites for Gay Holy Unions and Marriages, am spiritual though I still find his male dominated autocratic denomination too sexist and homophobic to support  went a few more rounds without either gaining much ground.   

 I wrote: I tipped him twenty percent to demonstrate that we who take our Constitution seriously honor God's law about doing unto others as we would have them do unto us.

  • He wrote: I reminded him of my point about our Constitution ruling our laws and that we who take our Constitution seriously honor God's law about doing unto others as we would have them do unto us. 

 His last paragraph was his own. And now he's rewritten the posting to make the, err, borrowing, less blatant.If immitation is the sincerest form of flattery, I could do with a tad less sincerity ....

 

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He must be one of those priests who believe that it's okay to steal, commit pedophelia, etc. What a stupid thing to do!!! I wonder who he copied for the changed blog. Maybe someone should contact the Catholic Church about impersonating a priest for person gain.
Sorry to hear about this. A few months ago a blogger on another site was caught having copied a post from here. Is it that hard to be original? Your Alert Reader did a great job spotting this.
I read it and kept thinking where did I read this before. I wish I had realized it right away. How outrageous!
Good job calling the arse out.
Good for you, Hawley. I can't believe he hasn't taken his down and posted an apology.
I never diagnose another, if at all possible.
No apology? They are worst than bipolar?
This 'stuff' makes me know a need a ring.
A mood ring? A better good mood. Ding.
I gonna walk up to the greenhouse. Cool.
'Um need to wear soiled diaper? Pew sit.
Wow. Brazen hardly begins to express it.

But Rawley, be flattered. A man of "God" apparently feels you are a better spokesperson for tolerance and understanding than he himself is. And this genuinely is the most sincere (if absurd) form of flattery.
This makes me so super mad. ::stamp:: Why aren't people plagiarizing ME?
Hawley, my dyslexia got me again. Sorry.
Have you ever looked up a medical condition online? Virtually all the more 'talky' medical sites like webMD, wrongdiagnosis, familydoctor, medicinenet and healthline are vitually cut&paste copies of each other.
I'll bet he didn't even leave you a tip. . . . .

I don't get it. Why didn't he just post your piece and give you credit for it?
I think because he sincerely wishes he'd written it, and didn't expect to get caught out. Which is really sort of weird. I mean, had he posted it on another site entirely, he'd have gotten away with it. But to post it in Hawley's backyard?

Weird.
Probably not a priest, probably not with Phoenix House, unless as a client. Probably stole the entire persona as well as your words. Probably a very pathetic empty soul. No sympathy for him, and plagiarism is a crime.
Ah, yes. Blogiarism. Happens all the time. Crazy, eh? I'm glad you caught it. It's so outrageous.
I'd take this up with Sandra and Verbal, who are currently heading up the grievance committee.

Priests/rabbis ministers are supposedly held to a higher standard when they're just people, and can be venal as the next guy. This one should be called out... what's his freakin url, we'll all go tell him a thing or three!
Jeeziz -- I wouldn't have been surprised if somebody stole something of mine and posted elsewhere, but to post it here? This clown isn't even a good thief.
Before long, we are going to end up having blogstealing chaser attorneys on OS. I agree with JL. His account needs to be 86ed.
Oh dear God. That is frightening. I'm so sorry you had to deal with this!
Sorry about that. It's a shame things like that happen.
That is a huge problem throughout the writing world. I am sorry. People steal everything in the professional ranks from bloggers, I mean everything. It is really, really frustrating. I guess they're afraid now. It is gettting so hard to monetize content. At least you kknow.
Super kudos to Alert Reader. I read your original post and had I run across the other one, I know I would at least have recalled it was written by a female. (and that's pretty good because my memory is shit) If he had kept it as he originally "wrote" it, I could possibly buy that it was some sort of exercise to see who noticed. But the retreat into more original language is just downright small.
absolutely outrageous--and i agree that his account should be deleted--stealing (which, as i recall is mentioned in, oh...the COMMANDMENTS) should be a one-strike offense, IMHO...as a standup, i've dealt with it a lot--the only consolation is something i remember Leno saying about people 'borrowing' his jokes--you just have to write faster than they can steal
Holy crap indeed.
A cut and paste job. Probably saved him some time to make up the idea and those pesky words.
Why here though? How naive can someone be to snatch and then not run very far?
ouch. that's ugly. and stupid.

It is hard to draw the lines around plagiarism in our cut & paste, copy, wikipedia world. I'm trying to teach my kids the boundaries when they write papers or the difference between "helping" a friend with her homework and "cheating."

But copying and claiming as one's own on the SAME blog site is a new low.

Good for you for calling FOUL!
I can't figure out how somebody could be so stupid. A Catholic priest? Maybe I made the right choice leaving that religion.
Stellaa's idea is a good one. Just copy a few of your choice words and google them to see if you get anyone else besides yourself.

Maybe a priest in the Kurch of Kleptomania. What would the patron saint be?
OMG! FOUL, totally. I would never guess that such a thing would happen. Plagiary is NOT a sincere form of flattery.
The Terms of Service are very clear about this: "You agree that you will not use the Service or the Site to post, transmit, or share User Content that you did not create or that you do not have permission to post."

I had a similar situation recently when someone used one of the photographs I posted on OS as his own avatar. In that case I don't think the guy meant to "steal" anything -- he was new and probably just wasn't thinking. He changed it the next day. If he had asked -- hell, if he asked today I'd let him use it. As long as people ask I don't care. I've even sent original copies of photos to people who requested them.
Hawley,
Here I am for the third time. Wanted you to know that I flagged it for plagerism. I do believe this is covered under the TOS.
I just followed your link. He's gone completely.
Look like the post and the account are gone now. The link above yields an error message and a search for the name shows his avatar, but click on it and read "* Code 300: User 21674 does not exist."
Buh bye Father.
As Deputy Grievance Officer and Designated Bitch of the Week, all I can say is, he's lucky to be gone....

:-)

Honestly, though...we should probably realize that a treasurechest of downright wonderful writing like OS = quite the free content source for desperate English Comp 100 and Intro to Poli Sci students.

That level of theft is pretty much standard nowadays. But seriously? Blogging a blog next door?

That's just STOOPID.

[And no, I will not soften that judgment.]
Hawley if Mike Barnicle, Doris Kearns Goodwin and Ron Borges get away with it by taking a leave and returning to the media, it is no surprise it happens here. What an ethically bankrupt society we have become. I am very sorry this happened to you. It must feel like you've been kicked in the stomach.
Thank you all who have commented - for your concern, support, ideas, perspective, and humor. In response to a message I sent, Kerry wrote that he's taking care of the situation. Meanwhile, your responses are buoying to one who was downhearted.
Oh Lord! Another thing to worry about! Now I have to worry about finding one of my blogs out there under someone elses name. Well, thanks for taking my mind off the upcoming Depression - doh! - now I'm worried about that!
You are so very lucky someone caught it!!!! Let us all try and be Alert Readers!
I just tried to link to that site, it didn't work. So I copied the link and went to it and it said "User 21674 does not exist".

Has guilt set in? Has plagiarism met its match?
We should all "friend" him if he stays on to keep a cyber eye on him.

Can't imagine what he was thinking.
Hawley, this is really disheartening. I'm glad he's busted and gone (so far as we know) - but it makes me just that much more wary about posting serious original work here. Also, I think this is a lot more than a petty grievance and I'm glad that the Alert Reader, you, and Kerry treated it with the seriousness it deserved. Thanks for the heads-up.
This is unbelievable! You have to wonder how he thought he'd get away with it.
This guy gets an OS Darwin Award. Wotta dope.
Yikes. Thanks for telling us that this happened. Glad he's gone.

I'm astounded that an Alert Reader not only recognized it by knew who had originally written it. I probably would have thought that I just had already read it.

And it WAS incredibly stoopid.
What the hell? Why would someone bother? I mean, it's not like there's money involved. (But congrats. I'd be flattered if someone started stealing my stuff. Think of it this way: Out of 15,000 bloggers...)
It is indeed in the TOS. When you see this in the place of a post:

"Code 300: User 21674 does not exist
Detailed information has been written into the error log."

It has been deleted not flounced.
good riddance!
luluandphoebe: I subscribe without reservation to your visionary suggestion that we microchip our work. Now will someone please get onto this and make it work?
Ugh.

It may simply be that he didn't understand the definition of plagiarism, and why it's stealing.

My SIL teaches in a well-regarded parochial school (middle grades, I think) and discovered that a large number of students had simply done a cut-n-paste from a source like Wikipedia for a project. No citations, no bothering even to change the wording.

The most frightening part of her story is the fact that many of the kids' parents complained when she doled out the failing grades. The parents themselves didn't understand why plagiarism was wrong.
I'm admit I'm surprised that someone was stupid enough to plagiarize your work and then copy it onto the same site which he had found it. It boggles the mind. I am delighted that he was caught and appears to no longer have an account on OS.
I'm so glad someone caught that. What a tool. Glad he's gone!
Hawley-say it ain't so! May the powers that be punt him from our midst. Thanks for letting us know.
Lame...

Super Lame...

People that engage in plagiarism are just showing how much they realize that everyone is better than they are and how much they're incapable of doing anything worthwhile, creative, or original with their life.

I would never plagiarize anyone. That would be admitting that someone is better than I am. It would totally ruin my image as a self-centered, nihilistic jerk. I've worked hard for that image. No way I'm selling out on it now.
Wow, Hawley. I go away for a while and all hell breaks loose. I'd be willing to tip him $10 if he could prove he's really a priest. Jiminy.
That's happened to me to. . . .twice. Wih pieces I wrote on Obama.
That's pretty shitty all the way around.
very shitty all the way around
You own the copyright in what you right. You don't have to register it. You have proof, since OS has your post date-stamped. You can write a letter to the guy and point all this out. You can write a letter to the editor of his newspaper and point this out. You can ask for compensation from the plagiarist or the newspaper.

I'd go for the compensation. I'd bet if you asked for $500, you'd get a prompt check. $1000, maybe.

The way to write your letter is to quote the law on copyrights (you can Google it) and point out the similarities and the dates. You can investigate small claims court rules, if you like, and point those out.

There'd be less theft if plagiarism were promptly punished.
It may simply be that he didn't understand the definition of plagiarism, and why it's stealing.

I'm doubtful. I checked out his first post (he only had two) and found that it was a very lightly edited article from Wikipedia. He got two complimentary comments on it. I think that a normal person would respond to such comments by saying, "Thanks, but the credit should really go to..."
That is unbelievable and yet... there is at least one other plagiarist in our midst. See another tale of blatant plagiarism here: http://open.salon.com/content.php?cid=57846 and you will find, with not too much effort, that the thief is a member of our fold (she may have changed her "handle" since I last looked her up, but it would be wise to keep an eye on her).

I too had someone in another online site lift at least the premise of one of my pieces. It's not a bad idea for writers here to put a copyright symbol at the end of their pieces. It won't stop a thief, but it will give you some ammunition if you see your piece posted under their name.

Sorry to hear about this Hawley - but at least the asshole has good taste.
Incredible. Since nobody makes any money blogging, you have to ask--what's the point of stealing?
This is terrible. I wonder what people gain from plagiarism. Isn't writing fun? No matter how bad or good writing people should do that to have fun and good time. Stealing people's writings is not pretty. Eeewww!
Chicago Guy, I'm sorry you were plagiarized, too. I hope the thief isn't on OS now.

DCV, I read the posting at the link you gave and then searched for someone with the name you write about and found she has an OS site with one posting and what looks like her real name. Don't know for sure it's the same person who stole from you.

Con, some people who have sponsored blogs do make money from blogging. There's lots of info out there about how to get sponsors, although I'm sure success is relatively rare.
I'm wondering, if he would lie about the blog content being his, I would hazard that he is also lying about his vocation as a priest.
Lulu, your idea is possible. I have heard that kiddie porn is tracked through the web by its "hash" imprint (I think they are actually called "hash marks" (or something entirely different - my memory, too, is crap) but, you know, that word has different meanings for different people!). Each image has a distinct identification, and that is how law enforcement finds out when kiddie porn is being transmitted or sent through a server. At least I think that's how it works. But if the distinct ID can be attached to an image, I don't know why one couldn't also be attached to an article. Then again, I don't know what I'm talking about, so take that into consideration, too.

I suppose I could have just cut and pasted someone else's (better, clearer, more accurate) explanation of how that all works and posted it here as my own work . . . .
Recently another OS blogger who appears at times on the front page of OS posted a piece without giving credit to the writer (it was not my piece but I had seen it before and actually had a copy I had saved.) I mentioned in the comment section that I thought the writer should be given credit. The OS blogger retorted that puncuation had been added making her an editor. I copied her own response back to her on the blog, removed the word "editor" and replaced it with the word "plagiarist" saying I thought that was more accurate. The OS blogger received another comment mentioning it also and so the blog and the comments were removed to save her embarrassment I assume, because certainly there wasn't any acknowledment of the doing. Real writers know the difference between writing and stealing.
Rated.
I am glad OS bloggers are on the ball in alerting you about this. Many people think it is quite alright to copy and paste from the internet. Your quick action teaches them that is not!
If you are interested in more than the (commendable) public shaming you've dished out you could take it up with the OS Deities as a violation of section 5 of the Terms of Service agreement (http://open.salon.com/support.php?page=terms) we all had to pretend we had read when we signed on:

"You will not reproduce, duplicate, copy, sell, trade, resell or exploit, for any commercial purpose, any content, component or use of or any access to the Service or the Site, without the prior written permission of Salon, except for content you have submitted to or posted on the Site, or content with respect to which you have the prior written permission of the owner; "

Invoke the Deities, demand an ordeal, and let the priests of Schmai-gunug interpret the outcome.
Hawley,

You should have a little more sympathy. Now that little boys are off-limits, he's probably casting about aimlessly for a new vice.
Scum is right. Why bother posting a blog if it's not yours. Isn't that the point of blogging? Giving YOUR opinion. Disgraceful and I'm glad you caught it.
If someone ever does this to me, I will cut their nuts off. Write to the editors, and tell them he must cease and desist. (Nicely.)
What you did here, to share it, is smart, too.
I worry that a little 10th grader looking to get out of an essay will get ahold of my blog.
People ask me all the time why I don't have a website with all my artwork and I just can't get past the feelings I have when I read about experiences like yours.
My ideas are my bank account.
There is no way as of yet to protect our accounts on the net.
I read WIRED and Boing-Boing daily because they are always up on the latest cyber copyright laws.

I hope the jerk you caught red-handed gets his karmic ass kicked.
Aw, man...I've had stuff stolen but not right here on OS! It looks like the offending blog has been deleted but it still stinks that someone would do that. And why on earth would he want to pretend to be a priest? There are way cooler fantasies than that.
Man oh man. That takes brass ones. Who does this sort of thing? I mean, what could you glean from it? It's not like he's making money from it or some other greed-motivated factor. So why...I think it would just be boring to rewrite someone's piece. It's just kinda...strange, no?
What I take from this event is the integrity of the house we live in here at OS. To date, I haven't written much, I've been more a reader. So it's nice to see there is righteous, caring community here.

The plagiarist was not a writer, clearly. As only those of us who write can understand the joy that comes from one's innermost thoughts, shared with others.

Hawley, I think you handled this matter just right. Exposure was the answer.
By a priest, no less. Wonders will never cease. We all know them to be so principled, don't we?