Heather Michon

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APRIL 9, 2009 12:35PM

That's Just Religulous

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It's Easter Week, so what better thing to pull of the Netflix queue than Bill Maher's 2008 documentary "Religulous."

Bill Maher has long been a guilty pleasure of mine. He's rude, sarcastic, and completely close-minded on so many subjects. But he's also smart, quick, and right on the money with much of his political commentary. Given his well-known contempt for all organized religion, I was pretty much expecting that his less attractive qualities would be on full display in "Religulous."

He did not let me down.

I don't subscribe to any particular church or theology, but I'm a "do unto others" gal at heart and I hate "comedy" that seeks to make people look stupid. Fundamentalist of any religion are the easiest of targets: so earnest in their earnestness and certain in their certitude. Almost all religions have some funny hat or weird way of praying or quirky theological belief that looks absurd to outsiders. It's the comedic equivalent of shooting fish in a barrel, and I found it more than a bit cheap.

Beyond the raised eyebrows and snotty comments, he does raise some very valid points. Religion has been a driving force of worldwide conflict for centuries. There is a basic conflict between pure democracy and religion. He's also correct that many people don't realize how interconnected religions are, if you go back far enough. One of the most effective parts of the film are when he points out the overlap between the story of Jesus and that of Buddha and Mithra, and especially between Jesus and the Egyptian god, Horus.  

But ultimately he fails to make his case. The irony is that in his own fundamental agnosticism, he wounds his arguments. He wants to be a pure rationalist, but he doesn't allow himself to penetrate the surface to consider why religion is so persistent in humanity. By getting himself hung up on talking snakes and burning bushes and Jonah being swallowed by a big fish, he cuts himself off from a deep understanding of the world he claims to know so well. He wants to be a humanist without accepting humanity as it actually exists.

Religion is so old, we literally don't know when it started. Records start in the Bronze Age, nearly 8,000 years ago, but clearly people were assigning spiritual meaning to the world during the many centuries of the Stone Age. Archaeologists have uncovered burial mounds that are more than 100,000 years old, indicating that even Paleolithic hunter-gatherers likely believed in some kind of afterlife.

People have held on to faith even though science has been steadily unraveling many of the mysteries religion used to explain. In a way, science has proven how elemental religion is to humanity: we now know that prayer and meditation have a powerful influence on the brain, releasing electrical, hormonal and biochemical surgest that produce an altered sense of self -- a sensation of being connected to a greater reality.

I see religion as a cord that ties us to the greater reality, the universality of human experience. I believe in evolution. I don't believe that the Bible is the literal word of God. But not believing in a literal supreme deity doesn't mean I shouldn't pray.

 I know from my research that that early Christians pushed devotion to the Virgin Mary as a way to dilute pagan worship of the goddess Isis, who herself came from older pagan religion. So if I say a prayer to the Virgin, I'm tapping in to a humanity that has always needed the boundless love and comfort of a mother....so even if there was no Mary and their was no Isis, and in my darkest moments, I know that I'm not alone. There's nothing wrong with that.         

To Maher, the cost of religion is simply too high. "The plain fact is religion must die for mankind to live," he says at the end of the film. "The hour is getting very late to be able to indulge in having key decisions made by religious people - by irrationalists - by those who would steer the ship of state, not by a compass, but by the equivalent of reading the entrails of a chicken."

Even agnostics can't avoid faith. Faith is a belief in something for which there is no proof. In Maher's case, he has faith that without religion, people would stop killing each other for boneheaded reasons, clean up their environment, have a reason to get out of bed in the morning, and smoke pot without censure. But in all of recorded history, there has never been an agnostic civilization, so there is no way to prove that is true. He he has faith that there's a compass, when there's only really ever been chicken entrails.   

Have a blessed Passover and Easter, y'all.

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Heather, this is a wonderful post. I could sit down with people and talk all day about Scripture, because there is soooooooooooooo much there. Answers to all questions. I feel in my heart that when people continually question, they are just really, really searching - because they want to know! Why are we here? What is our purpose? What is the sense of all of this? I can say with the most assuredness that when you can start to make sense out of Scripture, it really all comes together. Isis - Semirammis, Venus, Aphrodite... Fascinating story and part of Cush, the great hunter that "begat" Nimrod. Truly fascinating history.
And I must add that religion really has nothing to do with what is written. It is organized faith by different people who have different interpretations of what is written. God IS my life, but I do not need a religion to have an astounding relationship with Him. Much love & peace to you.
Unfortunately Maher subscribes to the same "religion is evil" as Karl Marx and Stalin. The first thing that goes before the State takes over is religion; without religion, government becomes your God. Just ask anyone living in China right now. There is no historical evidence that substantiates what Maher is saying; only the history that says take away religion, bad things happen. Rated.

Christopher Hitchens is also on a rant against religion but that's because he is a very unhappy raging alcoholic. I'd rather he go to a 12 step program rather than spread this kind of rhetoric but luckily, we still have free speech.
Maher is a funny guy, but, of course, there is only one true religion. You either have the gift of sight or you don't. At some point, soon, we will have our day of reckoning.
I try not to confuse religion that is a man made interpretation and therefore limited with what is limitless...or as you put it, boundless love. Rated for spiritual thought.
My current post is about Holy Apostles Soup Kitchen, which feeds 1500 needy New Yorkers a hot meal, no questions asked, each and every single weekday including holidays. The Soup Kitchen exemplifies faith/church/religion at its absolute best.
Hmm, interesting take on the movie, Heather. I actually thought Bill was only particularly nasty to the people who were nasty to him. Specifically, I was impressed with the way he handled the truckers in the trucker church.

I'm a live and let live person too, but fundamentally religion is incapable of letting other people live -- it always seeks to convert and conquer. Faith is a different thing, and though it can be tied to religion, it doesn't have to be.
This is a very good analysis. For a long time, I was a fan of much of Maher's political commentary, but he is really overzealous when he attacks religion. For instance, he constantly claims that religions cause murder. I would say, in a world where people have killed people for sneakers, that a religion can be manipulated, like the law, to provide a rationale for evil, as well as good. There are definitely violent passages included in many 'holy' books. Religion can be a huge problem, especially when people *never* use logic, but I think faith can be positive. I do agree with some of his criticisms of religion and grow tired of people trying to force their religion on others, but there is plenty of secular evil that he seems to ignore when he rants on religion.
Also, I noticed in Religulous that he made the Christians and the Jews seem comical, but the Muslims seem deadly and violent. The movie even showed a graph of how many Muslims there were in the world in comparsion to Jews, as if most Muslims are dangerous and frothing at the mouth to attack. I wrote on my blog of an interview he had in which he laughed as an anti-Muslim activist described a Muslim American man killing his wife. I haven't watched him since. I may go back, but, I don't know.
http://www.open.salon.com/blog/deliablack/2009/02/26/offensive_bill_maher_interviews_brigitte_gabriel
This was supposed to be a comedy, but it came off as a tragedy to me. I enjoy Maher in small doses, but there was way too much of Bill snickering away on camera at the crippled ducks he picked to make himself look brilliant by comparison.

All he had to do was let the camera run and stay out of the way, and these people would have hung themselves out to dry. Personally, I think anyone who believes they've got God captured in a book -- any book -- has settled for a mighty small god.
Maybe I'm giving Maher too much credit, but I feel like his intentions were good in RELIGULOUS. I believe him when he says he simply wanted to open a discussion with people about their faith, but that most people can't handle that. Maher's smugness makes it difficult to take him too seriously, if you're not inclined to agree with him anyway (which, I think, is also the downfall of Michael Moore), and I'm sure the involvement of Larry Charles (BORAT) didn't help make a case for his sincerity. But I've been hovering on the edge of atheism/agnosticism for sometime now, held back mainly by some subconscious fear of disappointing my parents, but RELIGULOUS helped me put a lot of things in perspective. I'm not saying it’s a perfect piece of cinema, but I think he accomplishes more with the film than you're suggesting. He touches on why people hold faith, but his primary focus was on the way religious leaders use people's faith to control and manipulate. I don't think he intended to convince anyone there isn't a God, or to ridicule people for believing what they do, but suggest that maybe there's more going on than you realize. At the very least, Maher and Charles created a pretty effective portrait of the insecurity of religious folk towards any frank discussion that doesn't end with religious conversion, and their persistent inability to support or explain the specifics of what they believe.
I really liked Religulous because of his use of humor to point out some of the more ridiculous claims of established religions. Too many religious leaders have tried to use their religion to push laws that apply to all individuals. Religion is at it’s best when it focuses on individual needs and at it’s worst when it is used as a tool of the government (whether intentional or not).
I couldn't disagree with you more. Maher made his case quite well in Religulous and he backed up his claims with some concrete examples. Yes, fundamentalists are easy targets but more "moderate" practitioners believe in the same kookiness, they just don't pound the table quite as hard. I would rather have my leaders basing their decisions on rational inquiry than discussions with their imaginary friend. Just think how different our foreign policy would have been if Bush hadn't listened to God telling him to invade Iraq. Heavy-handed as it is, I feel we need more films like Religulous even if they might be a little flawed.
Prayer, mediation and spiritual inquiry are not religions. They are spiritual practices, which all religions and even the non-religious engage in. Maher doesn't address these in this film. He addresses religion -- in a face-to-face conversation that many people have been longing to have but we were just too polite. He also does not address the question of why people hold religious beliefs. These are not the topics of this film. His purpose in this film is to charge people who really want to help the cause of saving the world to cease giving any legitamcy whatever to policies or policy-setters who actually believe that the "Talking snake"is real but evolution is not. These people--whether a head of state or a member of the Board of Education--are not competent to set policy and they should not be allowed to do so for anyone, by anyone. Their policies have led to a quagmire of poverty, wasted resources and squandered potential. These are the policies that our children are educated by, militaries are armed by, soil, water and land are managed by. I think this is one of the bravest, most valiant efforts I've seen in documentary film. Like, Maher, I'm weary of treating religious believers as if their delusions could be real. I think we should begin to address religious believers as we would the developmentally delayed. Indeed, they are morally and spiritually immature so I'm not suggesting we should behave un-lovingly toward them. But loving behavior does not require that we enable delusional ideas to have the same legitimacy in the public discourse as those based in science, the rule of law and the values of whole Earth community.